A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Rossfan]

As I said earlier...

Jon Tonge, Professor of British and Irish Politics University of Liverpool, said that Mr Burnham "put his foot in it" with his comments about a border poll being off-the -table "because it doesn't reflect the legal position."

Professor Tonge said: "The fact is you can't take a border poll completely off the table because that's a breach of the Good Friday Agreement.

"And the legal outworking of the Good Friday Agreement, which is the Northern Ireland Act 1998, says that the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland shall call a border poll if it appears that there's a majority in favour of constitutional change within Northern Ireland.

"So it's a legal obligation in the same way that if there was a vote for a united Ireland, the British government would be legally obliged to implement the united Ireland.

"So it's not something you completely remove from the table even though there's no imminent prospect of a border poll."

[johnnycool]

And if we get one,and we nowhere near it, what then?

Were both  jurisdictions ready for partition When it happened?

The Brits will continually refuse to  even discuss a border poll (as will FF/FG) and there are no  concrete  stipulations in the GFA to grant one.

Probably the only way  is for SF/SDLP to pull Stormont and only return when  the  border poll stipulations are cemented. Sure who the feck  would miss Stormont anyway?

Pulling Stormont is a strange one, Unionists regularly threaten to do it believing it will mean direct rule from London, Nationalist's threaten it believing it will mean joint ministerial rule from Dublin and London.

For me and I keep repeating this, a deep dive needs to go into the Alliance vote.

Yes, they garner the most support in predominantly unionist areas so the general belief is that their votes are mostly unionist.
I beg to differ as in Strangford there's no chance of a nationalist candidate getting in, so I'd vote Alliance to get the DUP/TUV/UUP candidate out ta fúck.

I bet it's the same in East Belfast, South Belfast, Lagan Valley etc.

[Armagh18]

And if we get one,and we nowhere near it, what then?

Were both  jurisdictions ready for partition When it happened?

The Brits will continually refuse to  even discuss a border poll (as will FF/FG) and there are no  concrete  stipulations in the GFA to grant one.

Probably the only way  is for SF/SDLP to pull Stormont and only return when  the  border poll stipulations are cemented. Sure who the feck  would miss Stormont anyway?

Pulling Stormont is a strange one, Unionists regularly threaten to do it believing it will mean direct rule from London, Nationalist's threaten it believing it will mean joint ministerial rule from Dublin and London.

For me and I keep repeating this, a deep dive needs to go into the Alliance vote.

Yes, they garner the most support in predominantly unionist areas so the general belief is that their votes are mostly unionist.
I beg to differ as in Strangford there's no chance of a nationalist candidate getting in, so I'd vote Alliance to get the DUP/TUV/UUP candidate out ta fúck.

I bet it's the same in East Belfast, South Belfast, Lagan Valley etc.

You're 100% on the Alliance vote, I wonder would there be many cases of hardline Unionists voting for them in a Nationalist area to keep SF/SDLP out

[gallsman]

I think a lot of 'nationalists' have their big house and two fancy cars in the driveway. They're not interested in a vote now or in 5 years time. As a matter of fact, they couldn't care less and that's the reality. They're happy with their lot and wondering should they shop in M&S or Tesco, not worrying about which party is releasing a green paper on reunification.



They have a good life going on holidays, getting their kids educated etc. and have no interest in this debate. If you'd give give them 10 new parties to vote for, they still wouldn't even vote.



Life has moved on a lot from the tough struggles of the 70's and 80's - times have changed dramatically. I think the Brits had a term for this - normalisation is what they called it. It's happening moreso now I think.



There are a few people on here who I think wouldn't vote for a re-united Ireland. You can see by their narrative on certain subjects and topics.

And some eejits on the board repeatedly pontificate about what a "real" nationalist is, does, says or thinks.

Have a f**king word with yourself.

[dec]

Next  election in the north (and south),  put another question on the ballot paper...

- Would you vote for a UI if a referendum was  held tomorrow?

so we should have a referendum on whether or not to have a referendum

[Armagh18]

Next  election in the north (and south),  put another question on the ballot paper...

- Would you vote for a UI if a referendum was  held tomorrow?

so we should have a referendum on whether or not to have a referendum

Would be good to gauge interest.

[marty34]

I think a lot of 'nationalists' have their big house and two fancy cars in the driveway. They're not interested in a vote now or in 5 years time. As a matter of fact, they couldn't care less and that's the reality. They're happy with their lot and wondering should they shop in M&S or Tesco, not worrying about which party is releasing a green paper on reunification.



They have a good life going on holidays, getting their kids educated etc. and have no interest in this debate. If you'd give give them 10 new parties to vote for, they still wouldn't even vote.



Life has moved on a lot from the tough struggles of the 70's and 80's - times have changed dramatically. I think the Brits had a term for this - normalisation is what they called it. It's happening moreso now I think.



There are a few people on here who I think wouldn't vote for a re-united Ireland. You can see by their narrative on certain subjects and topics.

This is bollox as nothing would change for these people, they'll still have their 'good life' regardless of the status quo

The Scotland referendum showed that you really need to be 100 percent sure it'll pass, it's a numbers game, it'll come but I've said a million times, the current 'leaders' can't be the face of the movement to bring it about..

Look who's first up. As I said...

It's not on the top of anyones agenda. Too many happy with the status quo unfortunately.

[marty34]

I think a lot of 'nationalists' have their big house and two fancy cars in the driveway. They're not interested in a vote now or in 5 years time. As a matter of fact, they couldn't care less and that's the reality. They're happy with their lot and wondering should they shop in M&S or Tesco, not worrying about which party is releasing a green paper on reunification.



They have a good life going on holidays, getting their kids educated etc. and have no interest in this debate. If you'd give give them 10 new parties to vote for, they still wouldn't even vote.



Life has moved on a lot from the tough struggles of the 70's and 80's - times have changed dramatically. I think the Brits had a term for this - normalisation is what they called it. It's happening moreso now I think.



There are a few people on here who I think wouldn't vote for a re-united Ireland. You can see by their narrative on certain subjects and topics.

And some eejits on the board repeatedly pontificate about what a "real" nationalist is, does, says or thinks.

Have a f**king word with yourself.

Oops...here comes Mr. Angry.

[marty34]

And if we get one,and we nowhere near it, what then?

Were both  jurisdictions ready for partition When it happened?

The Brits will continually refuse to  even discuss a border poll (as will FF/FG) and there are no  concrete  stipulations in the GFA to grant one.

Probably the only way  is for SF/SDLP to pull Stormont and only return when  the  border poll stipulations are cemented. Sure who the feck  would miss Stormont anyway?

Pulling Stormont is a strange one, Unionists regularly threaten to do it believing it will mean direct rule from London, Nationalist's threaten it believing it will mean joint ministerial rule from Dublin and London.

For me and I keep repeating this, a deep dive needs to go into the Alliance vote.

Yes, they garner the most support in predominantly unionist areas so the general belief is that their votes are mostly unionist.
I beg to differ as in Strangford there's no chance of a nationalist candidate getting in, so I'd vote Alliance to get the DUP/TUV/UUP candidate out ta fúck.

I bet it's the same in East Belfast, South Belfast, Lagan Valley etc.

Valid point JC.

Is there, in your opinion a full nationalist quota for a seat in Strangford?

[JPGJOHNNYG]

We already know the Alliance voters thoughts by looking at transfers in stv elections which consistently election after election are 2/1 in favour of nationalist parties, making the all unionist claim by some all the more pathetic

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Even Hannah who is certainly less interested in a UI than her predecessor said Burnham was talking shit

[AustinPowers]

Next  election in the north (and south),  put another question on the ballot paper...

- Would you vote for a UI if a referendum was  held tomorrow?

so we should have a referendum on whether or not to have a referendum

It's not exactly  a referendum. Merely to gauge public opinion.  Like an exit poll.

What other way is there to  determine whether  the required numbers are   in favour of a UI?

Going by this current  "method", we'll still be here in 50 years  time continually being  refused a referendum.

FF/FG  won't be start the  ball rolling. The unionist  population won't start it either. But we keep being told  "we aren't prepared".  How will anyone or anything be  prepared if nobody is willing to  do the necessary planning?

Do a poll next election. 

50%+1 gets you  a referendum in  5 years time.

If it wins, it becomes a reality  10 years after that. (If it loses, no  more referenda for say , another 20/25 years).

That's  15  years to prepare. Get on with it .

[Rossfan]

Who's going to organise this "poll to see should there be a poll" of yours?
Brits?
Stormont?
GAAboard?

[trueblue1234]

Could stick it in the next census in 2031 for NI. Although, I know they ask about national identity in it, but then allow for ticking of more than one box. But perhaps a more direct question on views on a UI.

[Milltown Row2]

I think a lot of 'nationalists' have their big house and two fancy cars in the driveway. They're not interested in a vote now or in 5 years time. As a matter of fact, they couldn't care less and that's the reality. They're happy with their lot and wondering should they shop in M&S or Tesco, not worrying about which party is releasing a green paper on reunification.



They have a good life going on holidays, getting their kids educated etc. and have no interest in this debate. If you'd give give them 10 new parties to vote for, they still wouldn't even vote.



Life has moved on a lot from the tough struggles of the 70's and 80's - times have changed dramatically. I think the Brits had a term for this - normalisation is what they called it. It's happening moreso now I think.



There are a few people on here who I think wouldn't vote for a re-united Ireland. You can see by their narrative on certain subjects and topics.

This is bollox as nothing would change for these people, they'll still have their 'good life' regardless of the status quo

The Scotland referendum showed that you really need to be 100 percent sure it'll pass, it's a numbers game, it'll come but I've said a million times, the current 'leaders' can't be the face of the movement to bring it about..

Look who's first up. As I said...

It's not on the top of anyones agenda. Too many happy with the status quo unfortunately.

320 odd pages but I'm first up?

What's your priority in life for you and your  family? A United ireland?

I've grown up Irish feel Irish been/ continued to be Irish but unfortunately we are not because we were dropped by those that partitioned us over 100 years ago instead of looking for a better solution

My identity is not in question, is yours?