Flags & Culture.....

[Minder]

Saw a photo on Twitter of some revellers at Belfast City hall today burning a Union Flag, bad enough if it was kids but these were full grown adults ffs.

[pbat]

http://ladbelfast.tumblr.com/post/79786174971/loyalists-will-they-ever-tire-of-being-lied-to


It has been shown on the LAD facebook page that this flag was burnt in Tehran in 2011 but shown on the PUP facebook page just to stir shit.

[Myles Na G.]

The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation,  it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.

Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.

The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.

The Irish flag has nothing to do with St Patrick, and why anyone would flag it tomorrow baffles me.

Does it really? Patron saint of Ireland, celebrated by Irish people flying Irish flags.  Hard to understand alright

So what is an 'Irish flag' exactly? Is the Cross of St Patrick an Irish flag? If not, why not? Is the old Stormont govt Ulster banner an Irish flag? If not, why not? Why would some Irish flags be appropriate things to wave tomorrow and others totally inappropriate?

[lynchbhoy]

I'd say any flag with any Irish connotation would be fine

Prob even any flag at all

But you'd expect flags banners etc that are associated with Ireland to be at the forefront on st Patricks day!!

Btw the tricolour was designed for the 32 county Ireland but obv has not been incorporated for the northern 6 counties ( yet) -though I believe it is flown in various places , not sure if any are recognised official buildings

[BennyCake]

The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation,  it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.

Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.

The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.

The Irish flag has nothing to do with St Patrick, and why anyone would flag it tomorrow baffles me.

Does it really? Patron saint of Ireland, celebrated by Irish people flying Irish flags.  Hard to understand alright

Yes, but St Patricks Day is (supposed to be) about religion and christianity, not flags. It's exactly why Northern Protestants don't participate much with his feast day. St Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, that's Includes both religions. Why do you need a tri colour for celebrating that?

[Main Street]

The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation,  it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.

Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.

The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.

The Irish flag has nothing to do with St Patrick, and why anyone would flag it tomorrow baffles me.

Does it really? Patron saint of Ireland, celebrated by Irish people flying Irish flags.  Hard to understand alright

Yes, but St Patricks Day is (supposed to be) about religion and christianity, not flags. It's exactly why Northern Protestants don't participate much with his feast day. St Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, that's Includes both religions. Why do you need a tri colour for celebrating that?

Christmas is supposed to be one thing  but and it is another.
Patrick's Day is not supposed to be the national day in Ireland, but it is. It was always celebrated abroad  and it was about Irishness in various expressions,  not about St Patrick himself.
If people want to celebrate the religious  association, they can go to church, but the day is about so much more than that, carnival, cultural and national. Flying the tricolour is not about celebrating St Patrick, it's about celebrating the national day.

[BennyCake]

Christmas is supposed to be one thing  but and it is another.
Patrick's Day is not supposed to be the national day in Ireland, but it is. It was always celebrated abroad  and it was about Irishness in various expressions,  not about St Patrick himself.
If people want to celebrate the religious  association, they can go to church, but the day is about so much more than that, carnival, cultural and national. Flying the tricolour is not about celebrating St Patrick, it's about celebrating the national day.

Like Christmas, it has been hijacked, by the likes of Guinness and the tourist board. Christmas has lost all true meaning of what it's about, as has SPD. The parade is an American creation, not Irish.

I cringe at modern St Patricks Days. Irish people running around in green leprechauns hats, getting pissed out of their heads, and the whole place going diddly-eye-dee for the day. If that is a celebration of the best Ireland has to offer, then it's no wonder we are typecast exactly as above.

There are other ways to show off our culture, hertitage and national pride

[Nally Stand]

A poster claiming to be "baffled" at the Irish flag being used on the Irish national holiday,  and a reference to St Patrick's Day as "SPD".

Mods/ziggy, close this thread before it gets any more fcuked up.

[haveaharp]

Anyone fancy a pint

[johnneycool]

Anyone fancy a pint

Only if there's a load of green dye in it, makes you more Irish you know!!

[Nally Stand]

Anyone fancy a pint

Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".

[Hereiam]

I would gladly go for a few. Anyone want to look after 3 toddlers.

[Tony Baloney]

Anyone fancy a pint

Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".

The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not  )  but for many they don't need that.

[Nally Stand]

Anyone fancy a pint

Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".

The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not  )  but for many they don't need that.

Who said anything about throwing up and singing IRA songs? My point was that people dressing in green or having Ireland flags on the national holiday of Ireland is normal. Not a "baffling"and not a sign of someone "wanting to be more Irish".

[laoislad]

Anyone fancy a pint

Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".

The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not  )  but for many they don't need that.

Do ye Nordies get the day off today?