Worst Irish person in History

[Peter Solan the Great]

No blueshirts up there I see.

How about Michael Collins, he was directly responsible for 100's if not 1000's of deaths.

Idiotic thread laced in the bias of a Fine Gael puppet.

well said myles plus he was linked to even more after the partition of Ireland, if he had not signed us over like lambs to the slaughter the troubles would not have started as the unionists would not have had a manufactured majority in a gerrymandered state to deny nationalists basic civil rights, so if your going to do a poll at least have the decency to hide your civil war blinkers

What will you nordies come out with next. You blame your own savagery on Michael Collins! Nally stand apologies your right it wasnt 3500 it was only a mere 2000 people that Sinn Fein/IRA were responsible for the deaths of.

How many deaths were Michael Collins responsible for then? Why was he not a "southern savage" and a "terrorist"?

As I already asked, if those in the six counties who used physical force tactics for a political aim, in your eyes were just "savages" and "terrorists", why then were those who used the same tactics for the same political objective for the now freed 26 counties then freedom fighters and heros?

And final question, did you not know that there were 3500 victims (approx) in the northern conflict or were you quite deliberately using lies and sensationalism to chat sh1te when you claimed the IRA were responsible for "3500 deaths"?

You, my friend, are everything that is wrong with Ireland today. Fight for freedom in the south from a repressive regime and you're a hero. Do the same in the north to attain freedom from a much more oppressive regime once the south is free and you're just a "savage" and a "terrorist". Quick to forget your own history aren't you? You wouldn't have your bit of freedom now if it weren't for the tactics which you now describe as "savagery" and "terrorism".

Clown.

Michael Collins never bombed pubs or butchers where innocent people were, he never gave a false bomb warning forcing people to be directed straight past the real bomb such as in Omagh. He never killed children like in Warrington. he never got involved in racketeering, bank robbery, fuel laundering, and kidnapping. So its like comparing chalk and cheese.

And those activities were ALL the IRA did? Or is this more sensationalism? Considering that the PIRA had a rate of Civilian to Combatant deaths that would compare favourably to that of ANY armed group, then have you any argument not based on sensationalist lies?
By "chalk and cheese" do you then mean that those who fought in the south never carried out attacks where civilians were killed either deliberately or by accident? Maybe you should read In The Year of Disappearances:Political Killings in Cork 1921-22 by Gearoid Murphy which details how the Cork No 1 Brigade, were responsible for the abduction, torture amd murder of seventy-three civilian members of the minority Protestant community of Cork city and its surroundings. It tells how Martin Corry used a burial vault in Kilquane graveyard as a prison, prior to taking their victims for killing and burial in Carroll's Bog, Knockraha, near Watergrassmill. The dead included three teenage boy scouts who accidentally found an IRA arms dump at Mount Vernon in April 1921 who, like many of the other victims, were disappeared. I thought you said those who fought in the south didn't kill children or disappear people? The book also tells how other  targets included Freemasons, YMCA members and Protestant Boy Scouts, Methodists and other low-church Protestants.
At least a further twelve individuals from non-Protestant backgrounds were also killed and secretly buried by the brigade. You also say they didn't carry out racketeerings or robberies. Maybe you should also read "The IRA and It's Enemies" by Peter Hart who noted how from March 29th - April 19th that 323 Post Offices were robbed and the Great Western Railway was repeatedly robbed by the IRA which repeatedly denied responsibility. I could sadly go on all day. Both campaigns were using the same method to achieve the same goal. The point is that to claim that those who fought in the south in the Tan War were squeeky clean and those who fought in the six counties were just blood thirsty savages is a mindset that is nothing short of laughably stupid. You simply cannot pick and choose which was justified and which wasn't based on some pathetic idea of differences like yours.

Oh and, you didn't answer my other question so I'll ask again:
Did you not know that there were 3500 victims (approx) in the northern conflict or were you quite deliberately using lies and sensationalism when you claimed the IRA were responsible for "3500 deaths"?

(It's a bit of a joke that I'm trying to debate this with someone who thinks that "SF/IRA" were behind the Omagh bomb.)

Of course they were responsible. If the IRA/Sinn Fein didnt carry out their savagery would the other 1500 people of been killed. No they wouldnt so they are partly responsible.

[Peter Solan the Great]

Saturday 27 June 1970

Major Gun Battle in Belfast

There was serious rioting in Belfast involving Protestants and Catholics. During the evening groups of Loyalist rioters began to make incursions into the Catholic Short Strand enclave of east Belfast. Catholics in the area believed that they were going to be burnt out of their homes and claimed that there were no British Army troops on the streets to protect the area. Members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) took up sniping positions in the grounds of St Matthew's Catholic Church and engaged in a prolonged gun battle with the Loyalists. This was the most significant IRA operation to date. Across Belfast seven people were killed of whom five were Protestants shot by the IRA.

Friday 3 July 1970

Falls Road Curfew

Beginning in the afternoon, the British Army carried out extensive house searches in the Falls Road area of Belfast for members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) and IRA arms. A military curfew was imposed on the area for a period of 34 hours with movement of people heavily restricted. The house searches lasted for two days and involved considerable destruction to many houses and their contents. During the searches the army uncovered a lot of illegal arms and explosives. However the manner in which the searches were conducted broke any remaining goodwill between the Catholic community and the British Army. During the period of the curfew there were gun battles between both wings of the IRA and the Army. Four people were killed in the violence one of them deliberately run over by an Army vehicle.

Tuesday 11 August 1970

Two Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers were killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) when they set off a booby trap bomb planted in a car near Crossmaglen, County Armagh.

Saturday 6 February 1971

First Soldier Killed The Irish Republican Army (IRA) shot and killed Gunner Robert Curtis, the first British soldier to die during the current conflict. Bernard Watt (28), a Catholic civilian, was shot and killed by the British Army (BA) during street disturbances in Ardoyne, Belfast. James Saunders (22), a member of the IRA, was shot and killed by the British Army during a gun battle near the Oldpark Road, Belfast

Tuesday 9 February 1971

Five men, two of them British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) engineers the others construction workers, were killed near a BBC transmitter on Brougher Mountain, County Tyrone in a landmine attack carried out by the Irish Republican Army (IRA). It was believed that their vehicle was mistaken for a British Army (BA) Landrover.

Friday 26 February 1971

Two Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers, Cecil Patterson (45) and Robert Buckley (30), were shot and killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) while on a mobile patrol in the Ardoyne area of Belfast.

Wednesday 10 March 1971

Dougald McCaughey (23), Joseph McCaig (18) and John McCaig (17), all three members of the Royal Highland Fusiliers (a regiment of the British Army; BA), were killed by members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA). The soldiers were off-duty and lured from a pub where they had been drinking. Their bodies were found at Squire's Hill, in the Ligoniel area of Belfast. [There was widespread condemnation of the killings and increased pressure on Chichester-Clark, then Northern Ireland Prime

Sunday 11 July 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded a number of bombs in the centre of Belfast injuring a number of people. [A number of commentators saw these bombs as an attempt to increase tension and confrontations between the two main communitiesinister, to take a tougher line on security in the region.]

Wednesday 1 September 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded a series of bombs across Northern Ireland injuring a number of people

Thursday 2 September 1971

There were further Irish Republican Army (IRA) bombs across the region including one in Belfast which wrecked the headquarters of the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP). The explosions resulted in further injuries to a number of people.

Wednesday 29 September 1971

Two Protestant civilians, Alexander Andrews (60) and Ernest Bates (38), were killed in an explosion at the Four Step Inn on the Shankill Road in Belfast, no group claimed responsibility but it was believed to be the responsibility of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA).

[Peter Solan the Great]

Wednesday 27 October 1971

David Tilbury (29) and Angus Stevens (18), both members of the British Army (BA), were killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) during an attack on their observation post in Rosemount, Derry. Ronald Dodds (34), a Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officer, was shot dead by the IRA near Toome, County Antrim. David Powell (22), a member of the British Army, was killed by a landmine planted by the IRA at Kinawley, County Fermanagh.

Sunday 31 October 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) explode a bomb at the Post Office Tower in London.

Monday 1 November 1971

Stanley Corry (28) and William Russell (31), both members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), were shot dead by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in the Andersonstown area of Belfast.

Tuesday 2 November 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded two bombs on the Ormeau Road in Belfast, one at a drapery shop and the other at the Red Lion bar, and killed three Protestant civilians; John Cochrane (67), Mary gemmell (55) and William Jordan (31).

Saturday 27 November 1971

Two Customs officials, Ian Hankin (27) a Protestant and James O'Neill (39) a Catholic, were shot by an Irish Republican Army (IRA) sniper who fired upon a British Army (BA) patrol investigating a bomb attack on a Customs Post near Newry, County Armagh

Friday 10 December 1971

Kenneth Smyth (28), a Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) member, and Daniel McCormick (29), a former UDR member, were killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) near Strabane, County Tyrone.

Saturday 11 December 1971

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) killed four Protestant civilians in a bomb attack on a furniture shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast. Two of those who were killed in the explosion were children. The dead were: Hugh Bruce (70), Harold King (29), Tracey Munn (2) and Colin Nicholl (1).

Sunday 12 December 1971

John (Jack) Barnhill, then a Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) member of the Northern Ireland Senate, was shot dead by the Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) at his home in Strabane. He was the first politician to be killed in the current conflict.

Monday 3 January 1972

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded a bomb in Callender Street, Belfast, which injured over 60 people.

Thursday 27 January 1972

Two Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers, Peter Gilgun (26) and David Montgomery (20), were shot dead in an attack on their patrol car in the Creggan Road, Derry. The British Army and the Irish Republican Army (IRA) were engaged in gun battles near Forkhill, County Armagh. British troops fired over 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

Wednesday 2 February 1972

British Embassy Destroyed

The funerals of 11 of the dead of 'Bloody Sunday' took place in the Creggan area of Derry. Tens of thousands attended the funeral including clergy, politicians from North and South, and thousands of friends and neighbours. Throughout the rest of Ireland prayer services were held to coincide with the time of the funerals. In Dublin over 90 per cent of workers stopped work in respect of those who had died, and approximately 30,000 - 100,000 people turned out to march to the British Embassy. They carried 13 coffins and black flags. Later a crowd attacked the Embassy with stones and bottles, then petrol bombs, and the building was burnt to the ground.

Tuesday 22 February 1972

Aldershot Barracks Bomb

The Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) exploded a bomb at Aldershot military barracks, the headquarters of the Parachute Regiment, killing seven people who were mainly ancillary staff. A Catholic padre was among the dead. [This bomb was thought to be an attempted retaliation against the regiment who had carried out the 'Bloody Sunday' killings.]

Friday 25 February 1972

There was an attempted assassination of John Taylor, then Minister of State for Home Affairs, who was shot a number of times. The Official Irish Republican Army (OIRA) later claimed responsibility.

Saturday 4 March 1972

The Abercorn Restaurant in Belfast was bombed without warning. Two Catholic civilians were killed and over 130 people injured. The Irish Republican Army (IRA) did not claim responsibility for the bomb but were universally considered to have been involved.

Monday 20 March 1972

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded a car-bomb in Lower Donegall Street, Belfast bomb, which killed 6 people and injured approximately 100 others. Two of those killed were Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers who were trying to evacuate people from the area. Another of those killed was a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) and the rest were Protestant civilians.

Friday 14 April 1972

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded 23 bombs at locations all over Northern Ireland.

Wednesday 10 May 1972

An Irish Republican Army (IRA) bomb started a fire that destroyed the Belfast Co-operative store.

Wednesday 17 May 1972

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) opened fire on workers leaving the Mackies engineering works in west Belfast. [Although the factory was sited in a Catholic area it had an almost entirely Protestant workforce.]

Friday 26 May 1972

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) planted a bomb in Oxford Street, Belfast which killed a 64 year old woman. In the Republic of Ireland the Special Criminal Court was re-instituted to deal with crimes arising out of the Northern Ireland conflict. As part of the measures trial by jury was suspended.

Friday 2 June 1972

Two British Army soldiers were killed in a land mine attack by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) near Rosslea, County Fermanagh.

Sunday 18 June 1972

Three members of the British Army were killed by an Irish Republican Army (IRA) bomb in a derelict house near Lurgan, County Down.

Saturday 24 June 1972

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) killed three British Army soldiers in a land mine attack near Dungiven, County Derry.

Sunday 9 July 1972

Five Catholic civilians were shot dead by the British Army in the Ballymurphy area of Belfast. Three Protestants, one of whom was a member of the Territorial Army, were found shot dead in Little Distillery Street, Belfast. They were shot by Republican paramilitaries. Also in Belfast a Catholic man was shot dead by the British Army and a Protestant man was shot dead by Republican paramilitaries. A member of the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) was shot dead by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in Belfast.

Friday 14 July 1972

Six people were shot and killed in separate incidents in Belfast. Three were British Army soldiers, two were members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) and one was a Protestant civilian.

Monday 31 July 1972

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded three car bombs in Claudy, County Derry killing six people instantly while a further three people died of their injuries over the next 12 days. Five of those who were killed were Protestant civilians while the other four were Catholic civilians.

Saturday 2 September 1972

The headquarters of the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP), in Glengall Street, Belfast, was severely damaged by a bomb.

Sunday 14 January 1973

Two Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers were killed in Derry by a booby-trap bomb attached to their car by the Irish Republican Army (IRA).

Tuesday 20 February 1973

Two members of the British Army were shot dead by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in an attack in Cupar Street, Belfast.

Sunday 25 February 1973

A Catholic boy, Gordon Gallagher (9), was killed by a booby-trap bomb that had been planted by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in Leenan Gardens, Derry.

Tuesday 27 February 1973

[Peter Solan the Great]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tDLXVNr3rc&feature=related

[mylestheslasher]

Peter the crux of the debate is that you said the Provisional IRA under Gerry Adams was responsible for acts (murders of innocents etc) that the "old" IRA under Collins never did. This has been discredited quite well in a previous post. What is the purpose of you writing two posts worth of stuff on the provos? Your statement that the old IRA was some saintly organisation compared to the Provos is wrong is it not? I have news for you Peter, no war is clean nor without its innocent victims, which is what makes war a terrible terrible thing.

[ballinaman]

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[Peter Solan the Great]

Peter the crux of the debate is that you said the Provisional IRA under Gerry Adams was responsible for acts (murders of innocents etc) that the "old" IRA under Collins never did. This has been discredited quite well in a previous post. What is the purpose of you writing two posts worth of stuff on the provos? Your statement that the old IRA was some saintly organisation compared to the Provos is wrong is it not? I have news for you Peter, no war is clean nor without its innocent victims, which is what makes war a terrible terrible thing.

I never made the Old IRA out to be saints. However they looked like saints in comparison to the Provisonal IRA and the stuff they carried out. Racketeering fuel smuggling etc and most of it to line their own pockets. Nally was making out the deaths of Children and the bombing of pubs, butchers etc as legitimate acts of war. Absolute nonsense. Clearly some people agree with me look at the amount of votes that gerry Adams has received.

[Nally Stand]

No blueshirts up there I see.

How about Michael Collins, he was directly responsible for 100's if not 1000's of deaths.

Idiotic thread laced in the bias of a Fine Gael puppet.

well said myles plus he was linked to even more after the partition of Ireland, if he had not signed us over like lambs to the slaughter the troubles would not have started as the unionists would not have had a manufactured majority in a gerrymandered state to deny nationalists basic civil rights, so if your going to do a poll at least have the decency to hide your civil war blinkers

What will you nordies come out with next. You blame your own savagery on Michael Collins! Nally stand apologies your right it wasnt 3500 it was only a mere 2000 people that Sinn Fein/IRA were responsible for the deaths of.

How many deaths were Michael Collins responsible for then? Why was he not a "southern savage" and a "terrorist"?

As I already asked, if those in the six counties who used physical force tactics for a political aim, in your eyes were just "savages" and "terrorists", why then were those who used the same tactics for the same political objective for the now freed 26 counties then freedom fighters and heros?

And final question, did you not know that there were 3500 victims (approx) in the northern conflict or were you quite deliberately using lies and sensationalism to chat sh1te when you claimed the IRA were responsible for "3500 deaths"?

You, my friend, are everything that is wrong with Ireland today. Fight for freedom in the south from a repressive regime and you're a hero. Do the same in the north to attain freedom from a much more oppressive regime once the south is free and you're just a "savage" and a "terrorist". Quick to forget your own history aren't you? You wouldn't have your bit of freedom now if it weren't for the tactics which you now describe as "savagery" and "terrorism".

Clown.

Michael Collins never bombed pubs or butchers where innocent people were, he never gave a false bomb warning forcing people to be directed straight past the real bomb such as in Omagh. He never killed children like in Warrington. he never got involved in racketeering, bank robbery, fuel laundering, and kidnapping. So its like comparing chalk and cheese.

And those activities were ALL the IRA did? Or is this more sensationalism? Considering that the PIRA had a rate of Civilian to Combatant deaths that would compare favourably to that of ANY armed group, then have you any argument not based on sensationalist lies?
By "chalk and cheese" do you then mean that those who fought in the south never carried out attacks where civilians were killed either deliberately or by accident? Maybe you should read In The Year of Disappearances:Political Killings in Cork 1921-22 by Gearoid Murphy which details how the Cork No 1 Brigade, were responsible for the abduction, torture amd murder of seventy-three civilian members of the minority Protestant community of Cork city and its surroundings. It tells how Martin Corry used a burial vault in Kilquane graveyard as a prison, prior to taking their victims for killing and burial in Carroll's Bog, Knockraha, near Watergrassmill. The dead included three teenage boy scouts who accidentally found an IRA arms dump at Mount Vernon in April 1921 who, like many of the other victims, were disappeared. I thought you said those who fought in the south didn't kill children or disappear people? The book also tells how other  targets included Freemasons, YMCA members and Protestant Boy Scouts, Methodists and other low-church Protestants.
At least a further twelve individuals from non-Protestant backgrounds were also killed and secretly buried by the brigade. You also say they didn't carry out racketeerings or robberies. Maybe you should also read "The IRA and It's Enemies" by Peter Hart who noted how from March 29th - April 19th that 323 Post Offices were robbed and the Great Western Railway was repeatedly robbed by the IRA which repeatedly denied responsibility. I could sadly go on all day. Both campaigns were using the same method to achieve the same goal. The point is that to claim that those who fought in the south in the Tan War were squeeky clean and those who fought in the six counties were just blood thirsty savages is a mindset that is nothing short of laughably stupid. You simply cannot pick and choose which was justified and which wasn't based on some pathetic idea of differences like yours.

Oh and, you didn't answer my other question so I'll ask again:
Did you not know that there were 3500 victims (approx) in the northern conflict or were you quite deliberately using lies and sensationalism when you claimed the IRA were responsible for "3500 deaths"?

(It's a bit of a joke that I'm trying to debate this with someone who thinks that "SF/IRA" were behind the Omagh bomb.)

Of course they were responsible. If the IRA/Sinn Fein didnt carry out their savagery would the other 1500 people of been killed. No they wouldnt so they are partly responsible.

Well if you are going by that logic, then Michael Collins and the free staters are also partially responsible for omagh as they caused partition which led to the existence of the Old IRA which then became the Official IRA which then split, which led to the PIRA which then split and caused the RIRA which finally was the ones who carried out the Omagh bombing. FFS stop chatting sh1te for one minute 

How about talking some damn sense for a second Peter. Re-read my last post and offer something constructive by way of debate or else don't write anything. You are making a laughing stock of yourself.

You claimed that the IRA of the Tan War did not kill innocent people/children/disappear people etc. I provided proof that they did. Is posting a link to a video about the Warrington Bomb supposed to distract people from that or something via use, once again, of sensationalism i place of rationality?? Bearing in mind that I demonstrated that the IRA of the Tan War carried out many many attacks on civilians, HOW CAN YOU CLAIM ONE WAR WAS JUSTIFIED WHEN ANOTHER WASN'T IF BOTH CAMPAIGNS INCLUDED THE DEATHS OF CIVILIANS, BOTH ACCIDENTALLY AND DELIBERATELY? For once, show some courage to answer a question when I ask you it please.

Which reminds me, I need to ask you this for a THIRD time, saying as you have ignored the question twice already:
Did you not know that there were 3500 victims (approx) in the northern conflict or were you quite deliberately using lies and sensationalism when you claimed the IRA were responsible for "3500 deaths"?

And further to your post below, could you also point out where I stated that the targeting of children was a legitimate act of war? I have never said any such thing. I stated that in wars, many civilians will be victims. To pretend that is more true of the IRa of the 20's and the modern IRA is simply lies.

[Peter Solan the Great]

No blueshirts up there I see.

How about Michael Collins, he was directly responsible for 100's if not 1000's of deaths.

Idiotic thread laced in the bias of a Fine Gael puppet.

well said myles plus he was linked to even more after the partition of Ireland, if he had not signed us over like lambs to the slaughter the troubles would not have started as the unionists would not have had a manufactured majority in a gerrymandered state to deny nationalists basic civil rights, so if your going to do a poll at least have the decency to hide your civil war blinkers

What will you nordies come out with next. You blame your own savagery on Michael Collins! Nally stand apologies your right it wasnt 3500 it was only a mere 2000 people that Sinn Fein/IRA were responsible for the deaths of.

How many deaths were Michael Collins responsible for then? Why was he not a "southern savage" and a "terrorist"?

As I already asked, if those in the six counties who used physical force tactics for a political aim, in your eyes were just "savages" and "terrorists", why then were those who used the same tactics for the same political objective for the now freed 26 counties then freedom fighters and heros?

And final question, did you not know that there were 3500 victims (approx) in the northern conflict or were you quite deliberately using lies and sensationalism to chat sh1te when you claimed the IRA were responsible for "3500 deaths"?

You, my friend, are everything that is wrong with Ireland today. Fight for freedom in the south from a repressive regime and you're a hero. Do the same in the north to attain freedom from a much more oppressive regime once the south is free and you're just a "savage" and a "terrorist". Quick to forget your own history aren't you? You wouldn't have your bit of freedom now if it weren't for the tactics which you now describe as "savagery" and "terrorism".

Clown.

Michael Collins never bombed pubs or butchers where innocent people were, he never gave a false bomb warning forcing people to be directed straight past the real bomb such as in Omagh. He never killed children like in Warrington. he never got involved in racketeering, bank robbery, fuel laundering, and kidnapping. So its like comparing chalk and cheese.

And those activities were ALL the IRA did? Or is this more sensationalism? Considering that the PIRA had a rate of Civilian to Combatant deaths that would compare favourably to that of ANY armed group, then have you any argument not based on sensationalist lies?
By "chalk and cheese" do you then mean that those who fought in the south never carried out attacks where civilians were killed either deliberately or by accident? Maybe you should read In The Year of Disappearances:Political Killings in Cork 1921-22 by Gearoid Murphy which details how the Cork No 1 Brigade, were responsible for the abduction, torture amd murder of seventy-three civilian members of the minority Protestant community of Cork city and its surroundings. It tells how Martin Corry used a burial vault in Kilquane graveyard as a prison, prior to taking their victims for killing and burial in Carroll's Bog, Knockraha, near Watergrassmill. The dead included three teenage boy scouts who accidentally found an IRA arms dump at Mount Vernon in April 1921 who, like many of the other victims, were disappeared. I thought you said those who fought in the south didn't kill children or disappear people? The book also tells how other  targets included Freemasons, YMCA members and Protestant Boy Scouts, Methodists and other low-church Protestants.
At least a further twelve individuals from non-Protestant backgrounds were also killed and secretly buried by the brigade. You also say they didn't carry out racketeerings or robberies. Maybe you should also read "The IRA and It's Enemies" by Peter Hart who noted how from March 29th - April 19th that 323 Post Offices were robbed and the Great Western Railway was repeatedly robbed by the IRA which repeatedly denied responsibility. I could sadly go on all day. Both campaigns were using the same method to achieve the same goal. The point is that to claim that those who fought in the south in the Tan War were squeeky clean and those who fought in the six counties were just blood thirsty savages is a mindset that is nothing short of laughably stupid. You simply cannot pick and choose which was justified and which wasn't based on some pathetic idea of differences like yours.

Oh and, you didn't answer my other question so I'll ask again:
Did you not know that there were 3500 victims (approx) in the northern conflict or were you quite deliberately using lies and sensationalism when you claimed the IRA were responsible for "3500 deaths"?

(It's a bit of a joke that I'm trying to debate this with someone who thinks that "SF/IRA" were behind the Omagh bomb.)

Of course they were responsible. If the IRA/Sinn Fein didnt carry out their savagery would the other 1500 people of been killed. No they wouldnt so they are partly responsible.

Well if you are going by that logic, then Michael Collins and the free staters are also partially responsible for omagh as they caused partition which led to the existence of the Old IRA which then became the Official IRA which then split, which led to the PIRA which then split and caused the RIRA which finally was the ones who carried out the Omagh bombing. FFS stop chatting sh1te for one minute 

How about talking some damn sense for a second Peter. Re-read my last post and offer something constructive by way of debate or else don't write anything. You are making a laughing stock of yourself.

You claimed that the IRA of the Tan War did not kill innocent people/children/disappear people etc. I provided proof that they did. Is posting a link to a video about the Warrington Bomb supposed to distract people from that or something via use, once again, of sensationalism i place of rationality?? Bearing in mind that I demonstrated that the IRA of the Tan War carried out many many attacks on civilians, HOW CAN YOU CLAIM ONE WAR WAS JUSTIFIED WHEN ANOTHER WASN'T IF BOTH CAMPAIGNS INCLUDED THE DEATHS OF CIVILIANS, BOTH ACCIDENTALLY AND DELIBERATELY? For once, show some courage to answer a question when I ask you it please.

Which reminds me, I need to ask you this for a THIRD time, saying as you have ignored the question twice already:
Did you not know that there were 3500 victims (approx) in the northern conflict or were you quite deliberately using lies and sensationalism when you claimed the IRA were responsible for "3500 deaths"?

And further to your post below, could you also point out where I stated that the targeting of children was a legitimate act of war? I have never said any such thing. I stated that in wars, many civilians will be victims. To pretend that is more true of the IRa of the 20's and the modern IRA is simply lies.

I answered your question about the 3500 deaths already. Yes your an IRA/Sinn Fein apologist trying to use the most non de script argument in order to justify the smuggling of Fuel, fags, Drugs and the killing of innocents on a Large scale. The tan war was nearly 90 years ago. I dont know what went on then but I'm pretty confident that the tan war didnt have the savagery that existed in the "Volunteers" of the Provisonal IRA. Just one question for you. Are you trying to justify the Provisonal/Real/Official campaign in Northern Ireland and beyond? If you are they are saying that the targetting of children and innocents was a legitimate act of war. To finish off I dont even even think its justified to call it war. War is carried out by men not by cowards who hide behind a balaclava.

[pintsofguinness]

Can i nonimate PSTG again? Thanks

If there was a most annoying irish person in history competition he'd certainly be up there...

[Nally Stand]

Clearly some people agree with me look at the amount of votes that gerry Adams has received.

Gerry Adams repeatedly receives one of the highest personal votes in Ireland 

[pintsofguinness]

I wish you'd stop responding to every WUM on the board.

[Donnellys Hollow]

Maybe you should also read "The IRA and It's Enemies" by Peter Hart who noted how from March 29th - April 19th that 323 Post Offices were robbed and the Great Western Railway was repeatedly robbed by the IRA which repeatedly denied responsibility.

Nally, I'm surprised that a republican like yourself would reference the late Peter Hart's work. The guy's history is highly dubious to say the least. His take on the Kilmichael Ambush for instance has been largely discredited by Meda Ryan in her study of Tom Barry.

I'd agree to a large extent with most of your points regarding the War Of Independence but I find it strange that you would cite Hart to back up your argument.

[Nally Stand]

Maybe you should also read "The IRA and It's Enemies" by Peter Hart who noted how from March 29th - April 19th that 323 Post Offices were robbed and the Great Western Railway was repeatedly robbed by the IRA which repeatedly denied responsibility.

Nally, I'm surprised that a republican like yourself would reference the late Peter Hart's work. The guy's history is highly dubious to say the least. His take on the Kilmichael Ambush for instance has been largely discredited by Meda Ryan in her study of Tom Barry.

I'd agree to a large extent with most of your points regarding the War Of Independence but I find it strange that you would cite Hart to back up your argument.

I am well aware but I do so in order to make a point which is that I am capable, as a republican, of totally accepting that the IRA of the Tan War carried out some completely horrendous acts yet I still regard their general campaign as having been totally legitimate and justifiable, and hence I am also not so two faced to say anything different about the campaign of the PIRA. To set one moral standard for one campaign and a different moral standard for another, or to pretend that both organisations operated on different morals, like PSTG is doing is simply pathetic.

That is my only point.

[Peter Solan the Great]

Maybe you should also read "The IRA and It's Enemies" by Peter Hart who noted how from March 29th - April 19th that 323 Post Offices were robbed and the Great Western Railway was repeatedly robbed by the IRA which repeatedly denied responsibility.

Nally, I'm surprised that a republican like yourself would reference the late Peter Hart's work. The guy's history is highly dubious to say the least. His take on the Kilmichael Ambush for instance has been largely discredited by Meda Ryan in her study of Tom Barry.

I'd agree to a large extent with most of your points regarding the War Of Independence but I find it strange that you would cite Hart to back up your argument.

I am well aware but I do so in order to make a point which is that I am capable, as a republican, of totally accepting that the IRA of the Tan War carried out some completely horrendous acts yet I still regard their general campaign as having been totally legitimate and justifiable, and hence I am also not so two faced to say anything different about the campaign of the PIRA. To set one moral standard for one campaign and a different moral standard for another, or to pretend that both organisations operated on different morals, like PSTG is doing is simply pathetic.

That is my only point.

Do you think the provisional IRA tactics were justified Yes or No simple answer