Wicklow v Down. Aughrim 3pm Saturday. Live on RTE

[Hardy]

TV3 at it now. "What a result for Mick O'Dwyer" is Cooper's comment on Wicklow's win. The media would give you a f'n headache sometimes.

How many championship games did they win under Hugh Kenny/John O'Leary/Dave Foran et al??

How many points did O'Dwyer score today?

[fred the red]

Any suggestions where Down go from here?

Thats 15 barren years we have endured now.

fresh approach needed. no matter what anyone says the talent is there. look at the effect liam bradley has had on antrim

  Dodgy,
     what or who would you suggest could get us out of this mess?

I would suggest joe kernan

[Caid]

I haven't read those articles but I feel you are talking BS. Wicklow are a good team with quality forwards, a strong midfield, and a class goalkeeper. Micko has done a fine job but he can't kick the points for them or make the tackles if they havent the ability. Typical Down chat. I'm starting to think Down fans are as bad as Tyrone

How many defeats to "weaker" teams will it take before Down fans realise that they are no longer in the top 10, nay 15, teams in the Country. Maybe we'll see after tomorrow. But I doubt youse will admit it regardless. It'll be Aidan Carr did this, or Ross Carr should have played him, or if only Benny was fit, or where was Fitzpatrick, or the Aughrim pitch was shocking. But godforbid that the team with five Sams might not the same talent, drive and determination as lowly Wicklow. Sure that couldn't be right - could it?

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[heffo]

TV3 at it now. "What a result for Mick O'Dwyer" is Cooper's comment on Wicklow's win. The media would give you a f'n headache sometimes.

How many championship games did they win under Hugh Kenny/John O'Leary/Dave Foran et al??

How many points did O'Dwyer score today?

O'Dwyers influence was a sideshow so?

[Caid]

Out of 16 contests in the Championship and Tommy Murphy Cup over the last three years they have won nine, drew three (twice with Louth in 08) and lost four times (once after extra time).

10 wins and 4 draws now for Wicklow in 17 games in the last three years Champ/Tommy Murph.  Not many teams with a comparable record and certainly not Down

[Highlander3]

Gutted that we lost today, do think that we have to change the management as i do believe that we have some good players but still badly need to solve our problems in the centre of defence, until we do this we will go no were.

[pintsofguinness]

I haven't read those articles but I feel you are talking BS. Wicklow are a good team with quality forwards, a strong midfield, and a class goalkeeper. Micko has done a fine job but he can't kick the points for them or make the tackles if they havent the ability. Typical Down chat. I'm starting to think Down fans are as bad as Tyrone

How many defeats to "weaker" teams will it take before Down fans realise that they are no longer in the top 10, nay 15, teams in the Country. Maybe we'll see after tomorrow. But I doubt youse will admit it regardless. It'll be Aidan Carr did this, or Ross Carr should have played him, or if only Benny was fit, or where was Fitzpatrick, or the Aughrim pitch was shocking. But godforbid that the team with five Sams might not the same talent, drive and determination as lowly Wicklow. Sure that couldn't be right - could it?

Nail on the head there caid, I actually think it's one of their main problems, they dont recognise how limited they now are.

[Sandy Hill]

Any suggestions where Down go from here?

Thats 15 barren years we have endured now.

fresh approach needed. no matter what anyone says the talent is there. look at the effect liam bradley has had on antrim

  Dodgy,
     what or who would you suggest could get us out of this mess?

Peter McDonnell ........ please!!!!!!!!!!

[fred the red]

Has Paul McGrath wicklow connections? seen him at the game today.

[Hardy]

TV3 at it now. "What a result for Mick O'Dwyer" is Cooper's comment on Wicklow's win. The media would give you a f'n headache sometimes.

How many championship games did they win under Hugh Kenny/John O'Leary/Dave Foran et al??

How many points did O'Dwyer score today?

O'Dwyers influence was a sideshow so?

How did you draw that inference from my post?

If Sligo win today, will TV3 report it as " a great result for Kevin Walsh"?

[INDIANA]

No but its dis-ingenous to imply Kevin Walsh hasn't had a huge impact on Sligo football. Good managers generally make good teams  out of little raw talent. I don't like Micko but he's done some job in Wicklow.

[JMohan]

No but its dis-ingenous to imply Kevin Walsh hasn't had a huge impact on Sligo football. Good managers generally make good teams  out of little raw talent. I don't like Micko but he's done some job in Wicklow.

That's fair enough

[Hardy]

No but its dis-ingenous to imply Kevin Walsh hasn't had a huge impact on Sligo football. Good managers generally make good teams  out of little raw talent. I don't like Micko but he's done some job in Wicklow.

I don't know what that means, but I didn't imply anything of the sort. My point (overdone at this stage)was about the media's lionising of O'Dwyer. Like Roykeanesunderland, you hear them talking about Mickodwyerswicklow. How often do you hear about Kevinwalshesligo or Jasonryanswexford?

[Mike Sheehy]

and how often did we hear about the miraculous Sean Boylan when Meath were winning ?

[Hardy]

I never once heard Seanboylansmeath.