The Many Faces of US Politics...

[J70]

Lolz, and stupid cvnts like whitey, who has been curiously silent of late, are still wondering how Trump lost

I guess you could say people have had it with the bullshit of bigots like him

Can you imagine if Trump lost and his supporters started crap like this...usurping democracy, delegitimizing the president elect, Nazi-ism are terms that spring to mind

And the main stream media would be screaming for Trump to immediately and forcefully denounce their actions

And the stupid cvnts are wondering why they lost .....people have had it with their bull$hit

I'm quiet because I have a very demanding job and Q1 is the busiest time of the year

I (for the 10000000th time) I am not a Republican

I'm a conservative....(think Mitt Romney/Charlie Baker types) I've explained what that means on numerous occasions if you want to go back and look it up

The Nazis (and some of them were actual Nazis) who invaded the Capital on Wednesday are just bad as the Antifa/BLM types who attempted to burn several cities to the ground last Summer.

They believe the myth of a rigged election in the same way the brain dead supporters of Hillary did 4 years ago after having being fed a bunch of conspiracy theories by their news outlets of choice

You seem to have a real hard time accepting that a wide swath of the American public despises both parties. Just because you despise one doesn't mean you support the other......you  just despise them less

This is false equivalence, irrespective of what Hillary's supporters did, it didn't result in an insurrection. This is the bit I don't think you see, what Trump has done to democracy is worse than anything in living memory in the US, there is no comparison. What the Dem's did some other time (or even normal Rep's) isn't relevant whatsoever to what's going on now.

That's you're opinion and you're entitled to it

The Democrats conned their base into believing that the only reason Hillary lost was because of Russian interference. He wasn't even inaugurated and they were plotting on how to remove him and their base went right along with it

Read "Shattered" by Jonathan Allen if you have a chance

This is from page 196.  Allen had unfettered access to people directly working for the campaign

"In other calls with advisers and political surrogates in the days after the election, Hillary declined to take responsibility for her own loss. "She's not being particularly self-reflective," said one longtime ally who was on calls with her shortly after the election. Instead, Hillary kept pointing her finger at Comey and Russia. "She wants to make sure all these narratives get spun the right way," this person said. That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument. In Brooklyn, her team coalesced around the idea that Russian hacking was the major unreported story of the campaign, overshadowed by the contents of stolen e-mails and Hillary's own private-server imbroglio."

The Russians DID interfere. Effectively. Hillary was perfectly entitled to raise that issue. Trump explicitly asked them to do so FFS.

Any "plot" to remove Trump could only result in the ascension of Pence, so I do not see how that could particularly energize the Democratic base. Besides, Trump's rhetoric and policies were more than enough to mobilize the Dem base on their own. They should have been mobilizing just about anyone with a moral centre.

This is just more false equivalence.

[sid waddell]

It's intolerant liberalism, a scourge on the world but amplified so dramatically on social media.

Plus 1, nothing sickens me more in the world right now.

It's very instructive when you scratch the surface of some people just what they're willing to tolerate

In the case of bennydorano and Rudi, that includes fascism and Nazism

[whitey]

Lolz, and stupid cvnts like whitey, who has been curiously silent of late, are still wondering how Trump lost

I guess you could say people have had it with the bullshit of bigots like him

Can you imagine if Trump lost and his supporters started crap like this...usurping democracy, delegitimizing the president elect, Nazi-ism are terms that spring to mind

And the main stream media would be screaming for Trump to immediately and forcefully denounce their actions

And the stupid cvnts are wondering why they lost .....people have had it with their bull$hit

I'm quiet because I have a very demanding job and Q1 is the busiest time of the year

I (for the 10000000th time) I am not a Republican

I'm a conservative....(think Mitt Romney/Charlie Baker types) I've explained what that means on numerous occasions if you want to go back and look it up

The Nazis (and some of them were actual Nazis) who invaded the Capital on Wednesday are just bad as the Antifa/BLM types who attempted to burn several cities to the ground last Summer.

They believe the myth of a rigged election in the same way the brain dead supporters of Hillary did 4 years ago after having being fed a bunch of conspiracy theories by their news outlets of choice

You seem to have a real hard time accepting that a wide swath of the American public despises both parties. Just because you despise one doesn't mean you support the other......you  just despise them less

For somebody who has "a very demanding job" you're always able to type out replies very quickly 

You don't have to explain what you are - everybody can see exactly - you're a f**king disgrace and an embarrassment to your county and your country, like Fr. Neil Horan

Read back what you've just written about Nazism

And hang your fascist, racist head in shame

I sit on hours and hours of conf calls every day-some I don't have to engage on.

And I read one to two books per week-mostly political/sociological

I read Shattered at the gym on my IPad as soon as it came out and all of a sudden everything became clear in terms of what the Democrats were playing at.....that one paragraph right there nails it.....directly from the horses mouth

[HiMucker]

It's intolerant liberalism, a scourge on the world but amplified so dramatically on social media.

Plus 1, nothing sickens me more in the world right now.

Really that sickens you more than racism and that fascist shit show we have just witnessed in the US, never mind all the other shit going on in the world right now? Sid might be a bit frothy mouthed in some of his responses for my liking, but he has certainly been a hell of lot more right than wrong when it comes to what is going on regarding the march to the extreme right that the GOP has undertaken.

[sid waddell]

Lolz, and stupid cvnts like whitey, who has been curiously silent of late, are still wondering how Trump lost

I guess you could say people have had it with the bullshit of bigots like him

Can you imagine if Trump lost and his supporters started crap like this...usurping democracy, delegitimizing the president elect, Nazi-ism are terms that spring to mind

And the main stream media would be screaming for Trump to immediately and forcefully denounce their actions

And the stupid cvnts are wondering why they lost .....people have had it with their bull$hit

I'm quiet because I have a very demanding job and Q1 is the busiest time of the year

I (for the 10000000th time) I am not a Republican

I'm a conservative....(think Mitt Romney/Charlie Baker types) I've explained what that means on numerous occasions if you want to go back and look it up

The Nazis (and some of them were actual Nazis) who invaded the Capital on Wednesday are just bad as the Antifa/BLM types who attempted to burn several cities to the ground last Summer.

They believe the myth of a rigged election in the same way the brain dead supporters of Hillary did 4 years ago after having being fed a bunch of conspiracy theories by their news outlets of choice

You seem to have a real hard time accepting that a wide swath of the American public despises both parties. Just because you despise one doesn't mean you support the other......you  just despise them less

For somebody who has "a very demanding job" you're always able to type out replies very quickly 

You don't have to explain what you are - everybody can see exactly - you're a f**king disgrace and an embarrassment to your county and your country, like Fr. Neil Horan

Read back what you've just written about Nazism

And hang your fascist, racist head in shame

I sit on hours and hours of conf calls every day-some I don't have to engage on.

And I read one to two books per week-mostly political/sociological

I read Shattered at the gym on my IPad as soon as it came out and all of a sudden everything became clear in terms of what the Democrats were playing at.....that one paragraph right there nails it.....directly from the horses mouth

You sound like Finchy from The Office

The reality is that Russia has deeply compromised large swathes of US institutions especially right wing America right up to the president and you're totally cool with that

As I said in my previous post, it's fascinating when you scratch the surface what some people are willing to defend, they're even willing to defend a country being run for the benefit of a despotic regime on the far side of the world

The monster really does lurk within unthinking people

[whitey]

Sid

Directly from a member of the Clinton campaign

"Instead, Hillary kept pointing her finger at Comey and Russia. "She wants to make sure all these narratives get spun the right way," this person said. That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up."

[sid waddell]

Sid

Directly from a member of the Clinton campaign

"Instead, Hillary kept pointing her finger at Comey and Russia. "She wants to make sure all these narratives get spun the right way," this person said. That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up."

And she was absolutely right to

To reiterate:
Russian interference in 2016 was real
The fantasy of a "stolen election" in 2020 was fake - not real

You have a terrible time deciphering reality from fantasy

You have chosen fantasy, like the entirety of right-wing America

Right-wing America has chosen fantasy because it cannot win a single argument on any issue honestly

It's entire worldview is a total crock

Debating you is like debating somebody who insists the earth is flat

You are living in a la la land

[J70]

Sid

Directly from a member of the Clinton campaign

"Instead, Hillary kept pointing her finger at Comey and Russia. "She wants to make sure all these narratives get spun the right way," this person said. That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up."

That's all well and good.

But the problem with your attempt to draw comparisons is that Hillary was offering excuses and, presumably, raising what turned out to be legitimate concerns needing investigation.

What she was not doing was refusing to concede, asking Obama and the government to refuse to begin transition, constantly undermining the election process, strong-arming her party to contest the results, and steadily upping the stakes to the point of inciting the Democratic base to march on the Capitol, invade, and riot, causing five deaths, including a cop, on what has always been a day of pomp and formality.

[blasmere]

Sid

Directly from a member of the Clinton campaign

"Instead, Hillary kept pointing her finger at Comey and Russia. "She wants to make sure all these narratives get spun the right way," this person said. That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up."

False equivalence again, not remotely in the same league as Trump

[Main Street]

Biden's speech yesterday
"The scenes of chaos at the Capitol do not reflect the true America.
This is not who we are"
"America is about honor, decency, respect, and tolerance.
That's who we are. That's who we've always been."

Eh Joe?  true America?  where the fck has Joe been all his life?  this is true America!  - that was white supremacy on parade.  It's the DNA  of America since the slaughter of native Americans  and the enslavement of Africans from post Civil War/Jim Crow, right through to this day,  exemplified by the red carpet treatment meted out to protestors  invading Congress, urged on by the president and hundreds of elected representatives. The protestors eventually were gently escorted out of the premises, not beaten black and blue, cable cuffed and dragged to a bus to jail.

I read that Trump announces he is going to snub the inauguration, Biden missed his golden opportunity to get his retaliation in first and  tell Trump he wasn't welcome, that his presence would dishonor the event.

[HiMucker]

Biden's speech yesterday
"The scenes of chaos at the Capitol do not reflect the true America.
This is not who we are"
"America is about honor, decency, respect, and tolerance.
That's who we are. That's who we've always been."

Eh Joe?  true America?  where the fck has Joe been all his life?  this is true America!  - that was white supremacy on parade.  It's the DNA  of America since the slaughter of native Americans  and the enslavement of Africans from post Civil War/Jim Crow, right through to this day,  exemplified by the red carpet treatment meted out to protestors  invading Congress, urged on by the president and hundreds of elected representatives. The protestors eventually were gently escorted out of the premises, not beaten black and blue, cable cuffed and dragged to a bus to jail.

I read that Trump announces he is going to snub the inauguration, Biden missed his golden opportunity to get his retaliation in first and  tell Trump he wasn't welcome, that his presence would dishonor the event.

Completely spot on. Can't believe that opportunity was missed.

[whitey]

Sid

Directly from a member of the Clinton campaign

"Instead, Hillary kept pointing her finger at Comey and Russia. "She wants to make sure all these narratives get spun the right way," this person said. That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up."

And she was absolutely right to

To reiterate:
Russian interference in 2016 was real
The fantasy of a "stolen election" in 2020 was fake - not real

You have a terrible time deciphering reality from fantasy

You have chosen fantasy, like the entirety of right-wing America

Right-wing America has chosen fantasy because it cannot win a single argument on any issue honestly

It's entire worldview is a total crock

Debating you is like debating somebody who insists the earth is flat

You are living in a la la land

Don't think so

A member of Clintons own campaign called it "spin" that needed to be "engineered" by her communications team

But believe whatever you want

Awomen

[whitey]

Sid

Directly from a member of the Clinton campaign

"Instead, Hillary kept pointing her finger at Comey and Russia. "She wants to make sure all these narratives get spun the right way," this person said. That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up."

False equivalence again, not remotely in the same league as Trump

Having half the country believe that Trump only got elected because of Russia and then spending 4 years undermining him ( a legitimately elected president) is on a par with what Trump has done IMHO

People no longer trust the media or the electoral process and that's down to the Democrats

[J70]

Nah, I think Biden was right to leave the move up to Trump. As with the campaign, Biden doesn't need to do anything. Trump's got it covered!

There was no way in hell he was ever going to attend. He physically could not handle the humiliation.

Biden gets to stay out of the dirt, to act like a normal president. Trump continues to sully himself and his historical reputation.

The list of those who refused to attend their successor's inauguration is short. And he will forever be on it.

[sid waddell]

Sid

Directly from a member of the Clinton campaign

"Instead, Hillary kept pointing her finger at Comey and Russia. "She wants to make sure all these narratives get spun the right way," this person said. That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn't entirely on the up-and-up."

False equivalence again, not remotely in the same league as Trump

It's not just false equivalence - what Clinton did was what any actual patriotic citizen would do in the circumstance she found herself in

Her country was under attack and that attack tragically succeeded

Comey enabled that with his disgraceful performance, the guy was asleep at the wheel

America found itself landed with a monster

Time has proven her absolutely correct

She was correct with her basket of deplorables comment too, in fact she was far too conservative with those comments - Trump supporters are deplorable, every last one of them

There is one "side" to blame for America's descent into total madness and one side only - and that is the Republican party and its hordes of pseudo-academics and pseudo-scientists and pseudo-journalists and pseudo-"patriots"

Democrats fail like any other political party, they make wrong decisions and run with bad policies and have litanies of other failures - they consistently disappoint - but Democratic failings are always within normal parameters - they are not leading or participating in the charge to total madness

What right-wing America has unleashed is terrifying - it a wholesale rejection of objective reality

And right-wing politics across the world is descending into varying degrees of similar madness

As long as this is not understood by conservatives, it is totally impossible to debate with them