The Many Faces of US Politics...

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J70

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Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 04:22:10 PM
I just checked the article again on my phone (I read it yesterday) - it still refers to "seven other women who had complained about Mr. Biden", but it doesn't detail what their complaint was about, but says that they had nothing new to add, but "several said they believed Ms. Reade's account".

Edit: in paragraph above it says:

"Last year, Ms Reade and seven other women came forward to accuse Mr Biden of kissing, hugging or touching them in ways that made them feel uncomfortable"

Links in that sentence connect to a March 31 2019 story titled "Joe Biden Scrambles to stem crisis after Luy Flores's allegation"


I'm specifically talking about the edit that removed the following language " beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable."

What do you make of that?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mediaite.com/print/ny-times-deletes-tweet-after-outcry-over-framing-of-report-on-allegation-against-biden/amp/

Not a lot, to be honest.

The allegations are clearly laid out in the story, including the most serious and recent accusation of finger penetration right at the beginning of the story.

The way you were going on I thought they'd removed all reference to the other seven women and what they claimed.

whitey

#15556
Yes, but him having a pattern of behavior is probably the lost relevant (and damning) part of the story and that part was REMOVED

It wasn't  OMMITTED -it was deemed relevant enough to INCLUDED but was then REMOVED.

Why?


(And last time I checked there was no explanation for the edit.....which there typically is)

J70

I'm sorry whitey, but the edit you guys are going on about makes absolutely no difference to the seriousness of the story or the stated allegations. As to why, I don't know, maybe some senior editor saw it and questioned why they were defining down "sexual assault" with the original line. I don't really give a shit. I don't need half a sentence in a newspaper to tell me what to think when the facts are presented.

You need to try harder.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 05:25:50 PM
I'm sorry whitey, but the edit you guys are going on about makes absolutely no difference to the seriousness of the story or the stated allegations. As to why, I don't know, maybe some senior editor saw it and questioned why they were defining down "sexual assault" with the original line. I don't really give a shit. I don't need half a sentence in a newspaper to tell me what to think when the facts are presented.

You need to try harder.

Were any articles on Brett Kavanaugh "stealth edited" by the NY Times to minimize the accusations against him?

J70

Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 05:40:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 05:25:50 PM
I'm sorry whitey, but the edit you guys are going on about makes absolutely no difference to the seriousness of the story or the stated allegations. As to why, I don't know, maybe some senior editor saw it and questioned why they were defining down "sexual assault" with the original line. I don't really give a shit. I don't need half a sentence in a newspaper to tell me what to think when the facts are presented.

You need to try harder.

Were any articles on Brett Kavanaugh "stealth edited" by the NY Times to minimize the accusations against him?

I don't know.

But how does that "stealth edit" minimize the accusations against Biden?

whitey

Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 05:40:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 05:25:50 PM
I'm sorry whitey, but the edit you guys are going on about makes absolutely no difference to the seriousness of the story or the stated allegations. As to why, I don't know, maybe some senior editor saw it and questioned why they were defining down "sexual assault" with the original line. I don't really give a shit. I don't need half a sentence in a newspaper to tell me what to think when the facts are presented.

You need to try harder.

Were any articles on Brett Kavanaugh "stealth edited" by the NY Times to minimize the accusations against him?

I don't know.

But how does that "stealth edit" minimize the accusations against Biden?

You think the following 2 paragraphs are identical in tone and intent.....I don't. Well agree to disagree then.


"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden."

VERSUS

The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable."


J70

Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 05:40:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 05:25:50 PM
I'm sorry whitey, but the edit you guys are going on about makes absolutely no difference to the seriousness of the story or the stated allegations. As to why, I don't know, maybe some senior editor saw it and questioned why they were defining down "sexual assault" with the original line. I don't really give a shit. I don't need half a sentence in a newspaper to tell me what to think when the facts are presented.

You need to try harder.

Were any articles on Brett Kavanaugh "stealth edited" by the NY Times to minimize the accusations against him?

I don't know.

But how does that "stealth edit" minimize the accusations against Biden?

You think the following 2 paragraphs are identical in tone and intent.....I don't. Well agree to disagree then.


"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden."

VERSUS

The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable."

If they were tweets maybe.

But they're not. They're part of long pieces which make clear exactly what the allegations against Biden are, with the most serious (i.e. "grabbing 'em by the pussy") laid out in the second paragraph after 15 seconds of reading.

Eamonnca1

Does Donald "I paid to f*** a porn star and paid her off to shut her up because you can grab 'em by the pussy and get away with it if you're rich" Trump seriously think he's going to beat Biden by playing the sexual harassment card? I could see how that would play well with his deplorable base, but I couldn't see it working so well with swing voters.

J70

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 13, 2020, 06:23:47 PM
Does Donald "I paid to f*** a porn star and paid her off to shut her up because you can grab 'em by the pussy and get away with it if you're rich" Trump seriously think he's going to beat Biden by playing the sexual harassment card? I could see how that would play well with his deplorable base, but I couldn't see it working so well with swing voters.

It just mind-boggling that he has the brass neck to label Biden "Creepy Joe"! ;D

whitey

Establishing Patterns of behavior is often the key to investigating decades old sexual assault allegations

They go from saying there is no pattern of sexual misconduct....... except for unwanted hugging kissing and grabbing (LOL-which are all examples of sexual misconduct) to saying there is no pattern of sexual misconduct.....period.

Anyway, I think they have now explained on Twitter that it was edited because "they wanted to remove some imprecise language".  Couldn't make it up

No better than Fox.

whitey

#15565
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 13, 2020, 06:23:47 PM
Does Donald "I paid to f*** a porn star and paid her off to shut her up because you can grab 'em by the pussy and get away with it if you're rich" Trump seriously think he's going to beat Biden by playing the sexual harassment card? I could see how that would play well with his deplorable base, but I couldn't see it working so well with swing voters.

All accusers must be believed

I believe Dr Christine Blasey Ford

J70

Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 06:32:28 PM
Establishing Patterns of behavior is often the key to investigating decades old sexual assault allegations

They go from saying there is no pattern of sexual misconduct....... except for unwanted hugging kissing and grabbing (LOL-which are all examples of sexual misconduct) to saying there is no pattern of sexual misconduct.....period.

Anyway, I think they have now explained on Twitter that it was edited because "they wanted to remove some imprecise language".  Couldn't make it up

No better than Fox.

There is simply nothing in that piece which would compromise any investigation.

Had they left out stuff, you might have a case. They didn't, and you don't.

Sorry whitey, but this is pure bullshit.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 06:32:28 PM
Establishing Patterns of behavior is often the key to investigating decades old sexual assault allegations

They go from saying there is no pattern of sexual misconduct....... except for unwanted hugging kissing and grabbing (LOL-which are all examples of sexual misconduct) to saying there is no pattern of sexual misconduct.....period.

Anyway, I think they have now explained on Twitter that it was edited because "they wanted to remove some imprecise language".  Couldn't make it up

No better than Fox.

There is simply nothing in that piece which would compromise any investigation.

Had they left out stuff, you might have a case. They didn't, and you don't.

Sorry whitey, but this is pure bullshit.

No it's real

They've just handed the Republicans another cudgel with which  to bash their credibility and honesty




J70

Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2020, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 13, 2020, 06:32:28 PM
Establishing Patterns of behavior is often the key to investigating decades old sexual assault allegations

They go from saying there is no pattern of sexual misconduct....... except for unwanted hugging kissing and grabbing (LOL-which are all examples of sexual misconduct) to saying there is no pattern of sexual misconduct.....period.

Anyway, I think they have now explained on Twitter that it was edited because "they wanted to remove some imprecise language".  Couldn't make it up

No better than Fox.

There is simply nothing in that piece which would compromise any investigation.

Had they left out stuff, you might have a case. They didn't, and you don't.

Sorry whitey, but this is pure bullshit.

No it's real

They've just handed the Republicans another cudgel with which  to bash their credibility and honesty

I've no doubt the right wing will be all over it.

So what?

Anyone who approaches it with a fair mind will judge the piece, and the right wing bullshit machine, for what they are.

whitey

You only need 1% of independents to stop believing what they read in the NYT for this to have a meaningful impact in November