The Many Faces of US Politics...

[whitey]

Morning Joe on healthcare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXln5VV1T8A

MSNBC ffs.

MSNBC Credible...lol.

Just to recap - their unbiased host Rachel Madcow and her pals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabloPDPtLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0TaegQ-kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0TaegQ-kw

Fake news!

24 m people without coverage and pre existing conditions are back to fund tax cuts for the ultra rich.
the GOP is going to be hammered in 2018

It's probably going to be a wash......how many millions who already had insurance BEFORE Obamacare ended up with unaffordable premiums and ridiculous deductibles AFTER Obamacare.

To quote Bill Clinton..."it's the craziest thing ever.....people humping it 60 hours a week....their premiums have doubled and their coverage age has been cut in half"

Professor Gruber, the architect of the plan said that it was drawn up and written in a "tortured" manner because if the American people actually knew how it would work they'd NEVER support it.

I may be wrong but it's wishful thinking by Democrats to think that this will lead to a landslide in 2018

[seafoid]

Trump is an idiot

https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/525522/how-the-obamacare-repeal-could-cost-republicans-the-house/

[seafoid]

Mikel Jollett‏

 @Mikel_Jollett  22 h

The AHCA is a TRILLION dollar tax cut, ALL OF WHICH goes to the top 2%.

It's paid for by taking away health care from the bottom 40%

[seafoid]

Morning Joe on healthcare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXln5VV1T8A

MSNBC ffs.

MSNBC Credible...lol.

Just to recap - their unbiased host Rachel Madcow and her pals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabloPDPtLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0TaegQ-kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0TaegQ-kw

Fake news!

24 m people without coverage and pre existing conditions are back to fund tax cuts for the ultra rich.
the GOP is going to be hammered in 2018

It's probably going to be a wash......how many millions who already had insurance BEFORE Obamacare ended up with unaffordable premiums and ridiculous deductibles AFTER Obamacare.

To quote Bill Clinton..."it's the craziest thing ever.....people humping it 60 hours a week....their premiums have doubled and their coverage age has been cut in half"

Professor Gruber, the architect of the plan said that it was drawn up and written in a "tortured" manner because if the American people actually knew how it would work they'd NEVER support it.

I may be wrong but it's wishful thinking by Democrats to think that this will lead to a landslide in 2018

A lot of the 24m who will lose coverage will know this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8

[whitey]

But will 24 M actually lose coverage?

All the expert talking heads said that the average family's health insurance would decrease by $2500 under Obamacare and they were flat out wrong about that (and a lot of other stuff too)

[seafoid]

But will 24 M actually lose coverage?

All the expert talking heads said that the average family's health insurance would decrease by $2500 under Obamacare and they were flat out wrong about that (and a lot of other stuff too)

According to the CBO report.

[heganboy]

Whitey,
Let's go ahead and call bull shit right now

No one has read the bill and had time to do an assessment of the impact of the bill. This is an absolute disgrace that a bill so meaningful to the poor of the US has been passed sight unseen on order for Republicans to fulfil the repeal obamacare election promises.

The language in there about preexisting conditions and states rights are abysmal. The "religious freedom" aspect is a disgrace to human rights standards​ anywhere and the parcelled tax rebates for the 0.01% are shameful.

Seth Myers rip on Paul Ryan vs Paul Ryan is a humorous take on the hypocrisy of the whole thing, but let's be clear, no vote on that bill should ever have happened.

Careful what you wish for...

[whitey]

But will 24 M actually lose coverage?

All the expert talking heads said that the average family's health insurance would decrease by $2500 under Obamacare and they were flat out wrong about that (and a lot of other stuff too)

According to the CBO report.

What did the CBO report say about Obamacare?   Was it accurate?

I also understand that the new bill was not "scored" by The CBO......what relevance does that have for the projections you are quoting

[whitey]

Whitey,
Let's go ahead and call bull shit right now

No one has read the bill and had time to do an assessment of the impact of the bill. This is an absolute disgrace that a bill so meaningful to the poor of the US has been passed sight unseen on order for Republicans to fulfil the repeal obamacare election promises.

The language in there about preexisting conditions and states rights are abysmal. The "religious freedom" aspect is a disgrace to human rights standards​ anywhere and the parcelled tax rebates for the 0.01% are shameful.

Seth Myers rip on Paul Ryan vs Paul Ryan is a humorous take on the hypocrisy of the whole thing, but let's be clear, no vote on that bill should ever have happened.

Careful what you wish for...

I would prefer them to get it right rather than rush it through.....that being said.....the bill its replacing has been an absolute abomination....it's not like that hey are replacing a great bill with a terrible bill....it's more like they're replacing a terrible bill with a less terrible bill

And I have to laugh at the Dems with their hair on fire about no one reading the bill....what was it Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare again?

[heganboy]

it's not like that hey are replacing a great bill with a terrible bill....it's more like they're replacing a terrible bill with a less terrible bill

"Likely" I'm not sure that word means what you think it does.

The terrible bill that gave people Heath are is being replaced by one that removes it.

I'm not sure you understand the word terrible either. Or do you mean from your own perspective rather than for the benefit of the entire country.

[seafoid]

Whitey,
Let's go ahead and call bull shit right now

No one has read the bill and had time to do an assessment of the impact of the bill. This is an absolute disgrace that a bill so meaningful to the poor of the US has been passed sight unseen on order for Republicans to fulfil the repeal obamacare election promises.

The language in there about preexisting conditions and states rights are abysmal. The "religious freedom" aspect is a disgrace to human rights standards​ anywhere and the parcelled tax rebates for the 0.01% are shameful.

Seth Myers rip on Paul Ryan vs Paul Ryan is a humorous take on the hypocrisy of the whole thing, but let's be clear, no vote on that bill should ever have happened.

Careful what you wish for...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/04/every-republican-who-voted-for-this-abomination-must-be-held-accountable

[whitey]

it's not like that hey are replacing a great bill with a terrible bill....it's more like they're replacing a terrible bill with a less terrible bill

"Likely" I'm not sure that word means what you think it does.

The terrible bill that gave people Heath are is being replaced by one that removes it.

I'm not sure you understand the word terrible either. Or do you mean from your own perspective rather than for the benefit of the entire country.

Terrible would describe the experience of my self employed clients and friends whose premiums have skyrocketed from $17k per year to $28k per year with a $6k deductible tacked on for good measure....you know....like the people who Bill Clinton described as "humping it 60 hours a week whose premiums have doubled and their coverage cut in half...its the craziest thing in the world"

What you and all the progressives seem to be missing or ignoring is that Obamacare was collapsing in on top of itself

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/08/16/is-it-time-to-acknowledge-that-obamacare-is-collapsing/amp/

[seafoid]

it's not like that hey are replacing a great bill with a terrible bill....it's more like they're replacing a terrible bill with a less terrible bill

"Likely" I'm not sure that word means what you think it does.

The terrible bill that gave people Heath are is being replaced by one that removes it.

I'm not sure you understand the word terrible either. Or do you mean from your own perspective rather than for the benefit of the entire country.

Terrible would describe the experience of my self employed clients and friends whose premiums have skyrocketed from $17k per year to $28k per year with a $6k deductible tacked on for good measure....you know....like the people who Bill Clinton described as "humping it 60 hours a week whose premiums have doubled and their coverage cut in half...its the craziest thing in the world"

What you and all the progressives seem to be missing or ignoring is that Obamacare was collapsing in on top of itself

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/08/16/is-it-time-to-acknowledge-that-obamacare-is-collapsing/amp/

The healthcare system is broken. 17.1% of GDP and it is growing faster than the economy.
So should hit 25% of GDP at some stage. FFS

The system needs to be destroyed and started over. At least 4%  of GDP is rent seeking by pharma, doctors, hospitals.
That 4% could be used to reform corporate tax or get a fiscal boost going.

[seafoid]

For Foxy

@kurteichenwald  You know, when hospitals, insurers, the AARP and other pros all say Trumpcare will kill people, it's always good to turn to Fox News 4 lies.

[heganboy]

Terrible would describe the experience of my self employed clients and friends whose premiums have skyrocketed from $17k per year to $28k per year with a $6k deductible tacked on for good measure....you know....like the people who Bill Clinton described as "humping it 60 hours a week whose premiums have doubled and their coverage cut in half...its the craziest thing in the world"

What you and all the progressives seem to be missing or ignoring is that Obamacare was collapsing in on top of itself

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/08/16/is-it-time-to-acknowledge-that-obamacare-is-collapsing/amp/

Whitey,
I have a lot of experience with this, my own family healthcare premiums doubled from 18k to 36k annually, and add in a a 10k deductible "for good measure" when i was self employed. That includes coverage of a highly medical dependent child with a "pre-existing condition".

A significantly higher coverage for my family is now provided by my employer for less than 8k per annum.

You can call it terrible, (or in my words a f**king disgrace) but my view of terrible is a possibility of significant amount of people in the US completely losing their coverage, and those that do pay for coverage having it denied on the whim of an insurance policy that it is very unlikely that they fully understand when they buy it. The ACA brought significantly improved economics to the entire United States, but the lobbyists will not tolerate the changes that are required to improve the heath care system in the US.

Do you think the problem is the bill that supports healthcare for all, or the structure that allows that differential to occur?

The new bill that has passed the house has a fair chance of being a huge tax credit for the richest americans at the expense of the poorest. Now both sides will spin the shite out of this, but I think that the Republicans will pay a huge price for this in the next elections.

It is the myth perpetuated by the self employed that the ACA screws them, the fact is no-one is lobbying for the self employed and as a result they bear the brunt of the tax law. When they get successful, they contribute to politicians and get looked after but by that point they are a corporate entity and they don't look back...