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[easytiger95]

The central question of the Trump Presidency is not whether Trump will succeed. It is when he fails, how much damage will he do?

The press conference and virtually all his antics in the past two years, show that he is the Great White Shark of electioneering - he is a machine, doing and saying anything to get a vote, with no sign of personal integrity or a consistent ideological philosophy. And he has been hugely successful. But the first month of his administration shows us this method, and this man, are intrinsically unsuited to governing. He is smart, but he is not intelligent. He preys on emotions but has no empathy. His patriotism is dwarfed by his vanity. In short, he is a buffoon, but a very, very dangerous one.

A couple of pages ago, Stew posited what is becoming quite a popular theory - the Republicans will stick with him until their agenda is passed, then throw him overboard and welcome Captain Pence to the bridge. There is superficial logic to this but underneath incredible danger.

Firstly, his behaviour and his poll numbers make it increasingly unlikely that the Republican agenda can be passed. The Dems, for a fractured party, removed from the levers of power, have a done a damn good job of frustrating him so far. His own inconsistent messaging on Obamacare and tax reform are opening up the internal fissures of the GOP. The odds now are against a re-enactment of the Reagan years - far more likely to be a re-run of Carter's failed administration (except with more authoritarian overtones).

Secondly, even if the Republican leadership find a spine ("men" like McConnell, Ryan and Chaffetz should hang their heads in shame, assuming they are capable of feeling that emotion) why do you think Trump is going back to his rallies? The narrative is that he feels the same way about a full aircraft hangar as a toddler does about his blankie. Which may be true personally. But to his henchmen, like Bannon and Miller, when the 25th Amendment is invoked (and it will be that rather than impeachment) it is to those rallies that they will run. And they will sell those people the story of a president done down by an anti-democratic coup, of the "forgotten peoples'" votes being stolen - again. Of their hero being sucked into a swamp that must be resisted and drained. They will actually have more truth on their side than they have had for the past two years. And there will be a constitutional crisis to match the 1860s.

The terrible truth is that it is possible to go too far in the White House - and eventually toadies like the GOP leadership will have to act to bring him down. But the forces that they enabled in the first place to get him elected (over a period of half a century) are out there now, and they will have to be reckoned with it at some stage.

[seafoid]

The central question of the Trump Presidency is not whether Trump will succeed. It is when he fails, how much damage will he do?

The press conference and virtually all his antics in the past two years, show that he is the Great White Shark of electioneering - he is a machine, doing and saying anything to get a vote, with no sign of personal integrity or a consistent ideological philosophy. And he has been hugely successful. But the first month of his administration shows us this method, and this man, are intrinsically unsuited to governing. He is smart, but he is not intelligent. He preys on emotions but has no empathy. His patriotism is dwarfed by his vanity. In short, he is a buffoon, but a very, very dangerous one.

A couple of pages ago, Stew posited what is becoming quite a popular theory - the Republicans will stick with him until their agenda is passed, then throw him overboard and welcome Captain Pence to the bridge. There is superficial logic to this but underneath incredible danger.

Firstly, his behaviour and his poll numbers make it increasingly unlikely that the Republican agenda can be passed. The Dems, for a fractured party, removed from the levers of power, have a done a damn good job of frustrating him so far. His own inconsistent messaging on Obamacare and tax reform are opening up the internal fissures of the GOP. The odds now are against a re-enactment of the Reagan years - far more likely to be a re-run of Carter's failed administration (except with more authoritarian overtones).

Secondly, even if the Republican leadership find a spine ("men" like McConnell, Ryan and Chaffetz should hang their heads in shame, assuming they are capable of feeling that emotion) why do you think Trump is going back to his rallies? The narrative is that he feels the same way about a full aircraft hangar as a toddler does about his blankie. Which may be true personally. But to his henchmen, like Bannon and Miller, when the 25th Amendment is invoked (and it will be that rather than impeachment) it is to those rallies that they will run. And they will sell those people the story of a president done down by an anti-democratic coup, of the "forgotten peoples'" votes being stolen - again. Of their hero being sucked into a swamp that must be resisted and drained. They will actually have more truth on their side than they have had for the past two years. And there will be a constitutional crisis to match the 1860s.

The terrible truth is that it is possible to go too far in the White House - and eventually toadies like the GOP leadership will have to act to bring him down. But the forces that they enabled in the first place to get him elected (over a period of half a century) are out there now, and they will have to be reckoned with it at some stage.

Great post.
there are so many variables. The Kochs, the housetrained Goppers, Bannon and Miller, the 1%, the tea party crowd and the people of flyover America .
Trump delivered a win nobody else could but he is a liability. the 1% want legislation for their money. the flyover crowd want jobs.

And behind it all is capital vs labour. If the Dems got behind labour the flyover crowd could join them and defeat Bannon and the other  Nazis. 

[seafoid]

This is very good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDLflyQ8TA&feature=youtu.be

[Declan]

Milo is a piece of work alright - check out the trend on twitter re CPAC2017

[stew]

The central question of the Trump Presidency is not whether Trump will succeed. It is when he fails, how much damage will he do?

The press conference and virtually all his antics in the past two years, show that he is the Great White Shark of electioneering - he is a machine, doing and saying anything to get a vote, with no sign of personal integrity or a consistent ideological philosophy. And he has been hugely successful. But the first month of his administration shows us this method, and this man, are intrinsically unsuited to governing. He is smart, but he is not intelligent. He preys on emotions but has no empathy. His patriotism is dwarfed by his vanity. In short, he is a buffoon, but a very, very dangerous one.

A couple of pages ago, Stew posited what is becoming quite a popular theory - the Republicans will stick with him until their agenda is passed, then throw him overboard and welcome Captain Pence to the bridge. There is superficial logic to this but underneath incredible danger.

Firstly, his behaviour and his poll numbers make it increasingly unlikely that the Republican agenda can be passed. The Dems, for a fractured party, removed from the levers of power, have a done a damn good job of frustrating him so far. His own inconsistent messaging on Obamacare and tax reform are opening up the internal fissures of the GOP. The odds now are against a re-enactment of the Reagan years - far more likely to be a re-run of Carter's failed administration (except with more authoritarian overtones).

Secondly, even if the Republican leadership find a spine ("men" like McConnell, Ryan and Chaffetz should hang their heads in shame, assuming they are capable of feeling that emotion) why do you think Trump is going back to his rallies? The narrative is that he feels the same way about a full aircraft hangar as a toddler does about his blankie. Which may be true personally. But to his henchmen, like Bannon and Miller, when the 25th Amendment is invoked (and it will be that rather than impeachment) it is to those rallies that they will run. And they will sell those people the story of a president done down by an anti-democratic coup, of the "forgotten peoples'" votes being stolen - again. Of their hero being sucked into a swamp that must be resisted and drained. They will actually have more truth on their side than they have had for the past two years. And there will be a constitutional crisis to match the 1860s.

The terrible truth is that it is possible to go too far in the White House - and eventually toadies like the GOP leadership will have to act to bring him down. But the forces that they enabled in the first place to get him elected (over a period of half a century) are out there now, and they will have to be reckoned with it at some stage.

Great post.
there are so many variables. The Kochs, the housetrained Goppers, Bannon and Miller, the 1%, the tea party crowd and the people of flyover America .
Trump delivered a win nobody else could but he is a liability. the 1% want legislation for their money. the flyover crowd want jobs.

And behind it all is capital vs labour. If the Dems got behind labour the flyover crowd could join them and defeat Bannon and the other  Nazis.

Which Nazis do you refer to?

[seafoid]

The central question of the Trump Presidency is not whether Trump will succeed. It is when he fails, how much damage will he do?

The press conference and virtually all his antics in the past two years, show that he is the Great White Shark of electioneering - he is a machine, doing and saying anything to get a vote, with no sign of personal integrity or a consistent ideological philosophy. And he has been hugely successful. But the first month of his administration shows us this method, and this man, are intrinsically unsuited to governing. He is smart, but he is not intelligent. He preys on emotions but has no empathy. His patriotism is dwarfed by his vanity. In short, he is a buffoon, but a very, very dangerous one.

A couple of pages ago, Stew posited what is becoming quite a popular theory - the Republicans will stick with him until their agenda is passed, then throw him overboard and welcome Captain Pence to the bridge. There is superficial logic to this but underneath incredible danger.

Firstly, his behaviour and his poll numbers make it increasingly unlikely that the Republican agenda can be passed. The Dems, for a fractured party, removed from the levers of power, have a done a damn good job of frustrating him so far. His own inconsistent messaging on Obamacare and tax reform are opening up the internal fissures of the GOP. The odds now are against a re-enactment of the Reagan years - far more likely to be a re-run of Carter's failed administration (except with more authoritarian overtones).

Secondly, even if the Republican leadership find a spine ("men" like McConnell, Ryan and Chaffetz should hang their heads in shame, assuming they are capable of feeling that emotion) why do you think Trump is going back to his rallies? The narrative is that he feels the same way about a full aircraft hangar as a toddler does about his blankie. Which may be true personally. But to his henchmen, like Bannon and Miller, when the 25th Amendment is invoked (and it will be that rather than impeachment) it is to those rallies that they will run. And they will sell those people the story of a president done down by an anti-democratic coup, of the "forgotten peoples'" votes being stolen - again. Of their hero being sucked into a swamp that must be resisted and drained. They will actually have more truth on their side than they have had for the past two years. And there will be a constitutional crisis to match the 1860s.

The terrible truth is that it is possible to go too far in the White House - and eventually toadies like the GOP leadership will have to act to bring him down. But the forces that they enabled in the first place to get him elected (over a period of half a century) are out there now, and they will have to be reckoned with it at some stage.

Great post.
there are so many variables. The Kochs, the housetrained Goppers, Bannon and Miller, the 1%, the tea party crowd and the people of flyover America .
Trump delivered a win nobody else could but he is a liability. the 1% want legislation for their money. the flyover crowd want jobs.

And behind it all is capital vs labour. If the Dems got behind labour the flyover crowd could join them and defeat Bannon and the other  Nazis.

Which Nazis do you refer to?

Bannon, Miller and Sessions plus their associates . Also anyone funded by the Kochs such as   Ebell.

[stew]

The central question of the Trump Presidency is not whether Trump will succeed. It is when he fails, how much damage will he do?

The press conference and virtually all his antics in the past two years, show that he is the Great White Shark of electioneering - he is a machine, doing and saying anything to get a vote, with no sign of personal integrity or a consistent ideological philosophy. And he has been hugely successful. But the first month of his administration shows us this method, and this man, are intrinsically unsuited to governing. He is smart, but he is not intelligent. He preys on emotions but has no empathy. His patriotism is dwarfed by his vanity. In short, he is a buffoon, but a very, very dangerous one.

A couple of pages ago, Stew posited what is becoming quite a popular theory - the Republicans will stick with him until their agenda is passed, then throw him overboard and welcome Captain Pence to the bridge. There is superficial logic to this but underneath incredible danger.

Firstly, his behaviour and his poll numbers make it increasingly unlikely that the Republican agenda can be passed. The Dems, for a fractured party, removed from the levers of power, have a done a damn good job of frustrating him so far. His own inconsistent messaging on Obamacare and tax reform are opening up the internal fissures of the GOP. The odds now are against a re-enactment of the Reagan years - far more likely to be a re-run of Carter's failed administration (except with more authoritarian overtones).

Secondly, even if the Republican leadership find a spine ("men" like McConnell, Ryan and Chaffetz should hang their heads in shame, assuming they are capable of feeling that emotion) why do you think Trump is going back to his rallies? The narrative is that he feels the same way about a full aircraft hangar as a toddler does about his blankie. Which may be true personally. But to his henchmen, like Bannon and Miller, when the 25th Amendment is invoked (and it will be that rather than impeachment) it is to those rallies that they will run. And they will sell those people the story of a president done down by an anti-democratic coup, of the "forgotten peoples'" votes being stolen - again. Of their hero being sucked into a swamp that must be resisted and drained. They will actually have more truth on their side than they have had for the past two years. And there will be a constitutional crisis to match the 1860s.

The terrible truth is that it is possible to go too far in the White House - and eventually toadies like the GOP leadership will have to act to bring him down. But the forces that they enabled in the first place to get him elected (over a period of half a century) are out there now, and they will have to be reckoned with it at some stage.

Great post.
there are so many variables. The Kochs, the housetrained Goppers, Bannon and Miller, the 1%, the tea party crowd and the people of flyover America .
Trump delivered a win nobody else could but he is a liability. the 1% want legislation for their money. the flyover crowd want jobs.

And behind it all is capital vs labour. If the Dems got behind labour the flyover crowd could join them and defeat Bannon and the other  Nazis.

Which Nazis do you refer to?

Bannon, Miller and Sessions plus their associates . Also anyone funded by the Kochs such as   Ebell.

You have seen them in Nazi attire? Did they ever claim to be Nazis or utter a single word defending Hitler and his minnions?

Evidence please.

[Declan]

You have seen them in Nazi attire? Did they ever claim to be Nazis or utter a single word defending Hitler and his minnions?

Evidence please.

NOV 21, 2016 
"Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!"

That's how Richard B. Spencer saluted more than 200 attendees on Saturday, gathered at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C., for the annual conference of the National Policy Institute, which describes itself as "an independent organization dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of  people of European descent in the United States, and around the world."

Spencer has popularized the term "alt-right" to describe the movement he leads. Spencer has said his dream is "a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans," and has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing."

For most of the day, a parade of speakers discussed their ideology in relatively anodyne terms, putting a presentable face on their agenda. But after dinner, when most journalists had already departed, Spencer rose and delivered a speech to his followers dripping with anti-Semitism, and leaving no doubt as to what he actually seeks. He referred to the mainstream media as "Lügenpresse," a term he said he was borrowing from "the original German"; the Nazis used the word to attack their critics in the press.

"America was until this past generation a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity," Spencer said. "It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us."   

The audience offered cheers, applause, and enthusiastic Nazi salutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

[stew]

Leaders of the anti-Trump "resistance" movement let slip their true motivations, declaring they "need to make this country ungovernable."

Leftist activist group Occupy Oakland posted a manifesto on Twitter last week, writing, "We will control the streets. We will liberate the land. We will fight fascist. We will dismantle the state. This is war."

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We won this night. We will control the streets. We will liberate the land. We will fight fascists. We will dismantle the state. This is war.
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The self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" protesters made it clear they aim to delegitimize democracy and President Trump through "direct action" on the streets.

DistruptJ20, the collective of groups that protested the president's inauguration in Washington D.C., wrote in their call to action that "Trump's success confirms the bankruptcy of representative democracy."

The protesters advocate against democracy, writing "rather than using the democratic process as an alibi for inaction, we must show that no election could legitimize [Trump's] agenda."

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DistruptJ20 did not mince words, as rioters broke windows, beat innocent citizens, and even torched a limo that belonged to a Muslim immigrant during their inauguration "protests."

"Anti-fascist" protesters followed up their inauguration performance with another at the University of California Berkeley campus last week, where Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos's speech was shut down by rioters.

The rioters described Yiannopoulos as a "tool of Trump's fascist government" and "has no right to speak at Cal or anywhere else!"

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Instead of letting others express their opinions on a publicly funded college campus, rioters pepper-sprayed individuals wearing "Make America Great Again" hats and set parts of their campus on fire.


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Protests against Milo at UC Berkeley. Protesters chanting "This is what community looks like."
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Ironically, the use of "direct action" by today's "anti-fascist" protesters mirrors the tactics used by Nazi Brownshirts during Hitler's rise to power in the early 20th century.

The Nazi party made it clear the mission of the Brownshirts was to obtain mastery of the streets. Official Nazi Brownshirt pamphlets stated that "possession of the streets is the key to power in the state — for this reason the [Brownshirts] marched and fought."

Those words share an eerie resemblance to the actions of the anti-Trump "resistance" movement of today.

What do you think? Scroll down to comment below.

That rally clip above is deeply disturbing to be fair, problem is, there is no getting away with it.

[stew]

Pence will be President sooner rather than later if he invokes the 25th amendment to the constitution section either four or five.

[stew]

Liberals often purport to be champions of minorities, but the way they treated 51-year-old Muslim non-Caucasian immigrant Asra Nomani after she admitted publicly that she had voted for GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump last year belies the idea completely.

"I was told 'eff off, go to hell' by a liberal feminist professor of peace and security studies at Georgetown University," Nomani revealed during a recent interview with The Daily Caller. "There were allegations that I was a traitor and had betrayed Muslims and women in America."

"That's when I really got my first window into the real intolerance of the tolerance-loving left," she added.

OOOOOHHHHHHH shit looney left, responses on a postcard phuuuulllleeeeaaaasssssee.

[J70]

Liberals often purport to be champions of minorities, but the way they treated 51-year-old Muslim non-Caucasian immigrant Asra Nomani after she admitted publicly that she had voted for GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump last year belies the idea completely.

"I was told 'eff off, go to hell' by a liberal feminist professor of peace and security studies at Georgetown University," Nomani revealed during a recent interview with The Daily Caller. "There were allegations that I was a traitor and had betrayed Muslims and women in America."

"That's when I really got my first window into the real intolerance of the tolerance-loving left," she added.

OOOOOHHHHHHH shit looney left, responses on a postcard phuuuulllleeeeaaaasssssee.

Been on facebook again stew (or is it the sauce)??

Post a bit of context, such as maybe a link to a story about this! Such as who exactly was abused and by whom. And then justify the bit in bold.

[screenexile]

I hope it's infowars they're my new favourite!!

Honourable mention for Milo the poor cratur it's all coming apart for Bannon's protégé he didn't realise that it's OK to not be PC and say what you think unless you think that certain kids are predators and trap paedophiles!!

I doubt he'll last too long at Breitbart and he'll do well to speak at the CPAC conference along with Comrade Trump!!

[whitey]

You have seen them in Nazi attire? Did they ever claim to be Nazis or utter a single word defending Hitler and his minnions?

Evidence please.

NOV 21, 2016 
"Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!"

That's how Richard B. Spencer saluted more than 200 attendees on Saturday, gathered at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C., for the annual conference of the National Policy Institute, which describes itself as "an independent organization dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of  people of European descent in the United States, and around the world."

Spencer has popularized the term "alt-right" to describe the movement he leads. Spencer has said his dream is "a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans," and has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing."

For most of the day, a parade of speakers discussed their ideology in relatively anodyne terms, putting a presentable face on their agenda. But after dinner, when most journalists had already departed, Spencer rose and delivered a speech to his followers dripping with anti-Semitism, and leaving no doubt as to what he actually seeks. He referred to the mainstream media as "Lügenpresse," a term he said he was borrowing from "the original German"; the Nazis used the word to attack their critics in the press.

"America was until this past generation a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity," Spencer said. "It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us."   

The audience offered cheers, applause, and enthusiastic Nazi salutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

What a pile of rubbish

If you went into some Nation of Islam event, I guarantee you would hear some equally outrageous nonsense just on the other side of the divide.  Would the main stream media attempt to attach ALL Democrats to such rhetoric?   Not on your bloody life!

[easytiger95]

Difference being that the chief executive of the fruit of Islam website is in no danger of being appointed to a vastly influential position in the white house. I'm not sure the spencer example works for the comparison in question, but there is no doubt that breitbart fostered the rise of the alt right, and also that it was a direct editorial decision of Brannon.

So if we are comparing this era to the germany of the 1930s, we may not know 100 percent who the brownshirts are until they put them on. We do have a fairly good idea who have bee n measured for uniforms, messers bannon and miller foremost amongst them.
And by the time they have the uniform on, it's usually too late.