The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Denn Forever]

Donald isn't too impressed with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUWSLlz0Fdo

[seafoid]

It is going to be flakier than Brexit

[Declan]

As a follow up to Sid's work.

1933: German Jewish newspaper advises readers not to believe Hitler's past rhetoric; trust checks & balances. #learnfromhistory

[Declan]

Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump's Election With a Salute: 'Heil Victory'

By JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN NOV. 20, 2016

WASHINGTON — By the time Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement and the final speaker of the night, rose to address a gathering of his followers on Saturday, the crowd was restless.

In 11 hours of speeches and panel discussions in a federal building named after Ronald Reagan a few blocks from the White House, a succession of speakers had laid out a harsh vision for the future, but had denounced violence and said that Hispanic citizens and black Americans had nothing to fear. Earlier in the day, Mr. Spencer himself had urged the group to start acting less like an underground organization and more like the establishment.

But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the "children of the sun," a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were "awakening to their own identity."

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, "Heil the people! Heil victory," the room shouted it back.

These are exultant times for the alt-right movement, which was little known until this year, when it embraced Mr. Trump's campaign and he appeared to embrace it back. He chose as his campaign chairman Stephen K. Bannon, the media executive who ran the alt-right's most prominent platform, Breitbart News, and then named him as a senior adviser and chief strategist.

Now the movement's leaders hope to have, if not a seat at the table, at least the ear of the Trump White House.

While many of its racist views are well known — that President Obama is, or may as well be, of foreign birth; that the Black Lives Matter movement is another name for black race rioters; that even the American-born children of undocumented Hispanic immigrants should be deported — the alt-right has been difficult to define. Is it a name for right-wing political provocateurs in the internet era? Or is it a political movement defined by xenophobia and a dislike for political correctness?

At the conference on Saturday, Mr. Spencer, who said he had coined the term, defined the alt-right as a movement with white identity as its core idea.

"We've crossed the Rubicon in terms of recognition," Mr. Spencer said at the conference, which was sponsored by his organization, the National Policy Institute.

And while much of the discourse at the conference was overtly racist and demeaning toward minorities, for much of the day the sentiments were expressed in ways that seemed intended to not sound too menacing. The focus was on how whites were marginalized and beleaguered.

One speaker, Peter Brimelow, the founder of Vdare.com, an anti-immigration website, asked why, if Hispanics had the National Council of La Raza and Jews had the Anti-Defamation League, whites were reluctant to organize for their rights. Some speakers made an effort to distance themselves from more notorious white power organizations like the Ku Klux Klan.

But as the night wore on and most reporters had gone home, the language changed.

Mr. Spencer's after-dinner speech began with a polemic against the "mainstream media," before he briefly paused. "Perhaps we should refer to them in the original German?" he said.

The audience immediately screamed back, "Lügenpresse," reviving a Nazi-era word that means "lying press."

Mr. Spencer suggested that the news media had been critical of Mr. Trump throughout the campaign in order to protect Jewish interests. He mused about the political commentators who gave Mr. Trump little chance of winning.

"One wonders if these people are people at all, or instead soulless golem," he said, referring to a Jewish fable about the golem, a clay giant that a rabbi brings to life to protect the Jews.

Mr. Trump's election, Mr. Spencer said, was "the victory of will," a phrase that echoed the title of the most famous Nazi-era propaganda film. But Mr. Spencer then mentioned, with a smile, Theodor Herzl, the Zionist leader who advocated a Jewish homeland in Israel, quoting his famous pronouncement, "If we will it, it is no dream."

The United States today, Mr. Spencer said, had been turned into "a sick, corrupted society." But it was not supposed to be that way.

"America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity," Mr. Spencer thundered. "It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us."

But the white race, he added, is "a race that travels forever on an upward path."

"To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror," he said.
 
More members of the audience were on their feet as Mr. Spencer described the choice facing white people as to "conquer or die."

Of other races, Mr. Spencer said: "We don't exploit other groups, we don't gain anything from their presence. They need us, and not the other way around."

The ties between the alt-right movement and the Trump team are difficult to define, even by members of the alt-right.

Mr. Bannon was the chief executive of Breitbart, an online news organization that has fed the lie that Mr. Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim. As recently as last year, Breitbart published an op-ed article urging that "every tree, every rooftop, every picket fence, every telegraph pole in the South should be festooned with the Confederate battle flag."

Mr. Bannon told  Mother Jones this year that Breitbart was now "the platform for the alt-right."

But in an interview last week with The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Bannon said that the alt-right was only "a tiny part" of the viewpoint represented on Breitbart.

"Our definition of the alt-right is younger people who are anti-globalists, very nationalist, terribly anti-establishment," he told The Journal, adding that the alt-right had "some racial and anti-Semitic overtones."

When asked about Mr. Bannon, the conference's speakers said that they might have shaken his hand on occasion, but that they did not know him well.

Mr. Brimelow said that he had met "Mr. Bannon once, earlier this summer, before he ascended to Olympus." He said he had told Mr. Bannon that he was doing great work at Breitbart. "He agreed," Mr. Brimelow recalled to the audience.

As for Mr. Trump, Mr. Brimelow said he had met him about 30 years ago at a "conservative affinity meeting" in Manhattan. But that was it.

"Trump and Steve Bannon are not alt-right people," Mr. Brimelow said, adding that they had opportunistically seized on two issues that the alt-right cares most about — stopping immigration and fighting political correctness — and used them to mobilize white voters.

Mr. Spencer said that while he did not think the president-elect should be considered alt-right, "I do think we have a psychic connection, or you can say a deeper connection, with Donald Trump in a way that we simply do not have with most Republicans."

White identity, he said, is at the core of both the alt-right movement and the Trump movement, even if most voters for Mr. Trump "aren't willing to articulate it as such."

At various points, he and other speakers outlined where they differed from Mr. Trump. They see him as too beholden to Israel. They do not see any reason to start a trade war with China, and they are not necessarily opposed to the Iran nuclear deal.

For them, immigration is the most potent mobilizing issue, less for economic reasons than because of the prospect that white Americans will someday represent less than half of the population of the country.

For the alt-right, the most exciting thing about Mr. Trump was that he built a campaign around the issues that mattered most to them, and that white people had voted for him in numbers that left the political establishments of both parties stunned. Now, Mr. Spencer said, it is up to the alt-right to formulate the ideas and policies to guide the new administration.

"I think we can be the ones out in front, thinking about those things he hasn't quite grasped yet, who are putting forward policies," Mr. Spencer said, that "have a realistic chance of being implemented."

[seafoid]

One difference with the 30s is that Bannon and Trump don't have their own political party. The parasite is operating inside the GOP. So they have to make alliances with evangelicals via Pence and military fruitcakes via Flynn etc
The GOP might kill Trumps tax cuts and borrowing plans.

The desire for war with Iran is interesting cos they went to war in Iraq in 03 and ended up being owned by Iran. Like a bitch. The civil war that the Yanks unleashed had to be defeated by a surge which put the Shia death squads into Government. This led to ISIS taking over Mosul and eventually Russia running the war in Syria. None of this was in the plans.

It is all a long way from Apple pie.

[muppet]

One difference with the 30s is that Bannon and Trump don't have their own political party. The parasite is operating inside the GOP. So they have to make alliances with evangelicals via Pence and military fruitcakes via Flynn etc
The GOP might kill Trumps tax cuts and borrowing plans.

The desire for war with Iran is interesting cos they went to war in Iraq in 03 and ended up being owned by Iran. Like a bitch. The civil war that the Yanks unleashed had to be defeated by a surge which put the Shia death squads into Government. This led to ISIS taking over Mosul and eventually Russia running the war in Syria. None of this was in the plans.

It is all a long way from Apple pie.

Flynn is also an advocate for regime change in Afghanistan (agains) & Pakistan.

[muppet]

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/the-best-from-mad-dog-mattis/

This cvnt is completely unhinged

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling."

If this guy wasn't in the military he would be in a street gang, or if he was from a different race he would be a terrorist.

I'm surprised Trump is letting him retire.

Jesus Donald, I was joking: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38056197

Trump transition: Will General 'Mad Dog' Mattis lead Pentagon?

Well Whitey, you seem to be able to pull these rabbits out of the hair, I mean hat. Who else is Trump going for?

[stew]

Donald J. Trump  ✔ @realDonaldTrump
I watched parts of @nbcsnl Saturday Night Live last night. It is a totally one-sided, biased show - nothing funny at all. Equal time for us?

Who is 'us'?

Does he still think he is in an election campaign?

The poor snowflake.

Lol....he's just after ripping a page out of the Democratic playbook....outraged at everything

Seriously??

You level that charge at Democrats after the past decade of conservative (including the president-elect himself) behaviour and rhetoric towards Obama and anyone who is not a "real American"?

Obama has been a national disaster, financially, morally and ethically, for anyone to stick up for this arsehole at this stage is repugnant in the extreme.

I wanted this President to do well, he killed the middle class, far worse still, he killed the black working class who sent him their hard earned dollars to get him elected.

[muppet]

Ok Stew, please explain each of these: 'Obama has been a national disaster, financially, morally and ethically'.

[stew]

As a follow up to Sid's work.

1933: German Jewish newspaper advises readers not to believe Hitler's past rhetoric; trust checks & balances. #learnfromhistory

Declan, the more you believe trump is some sort of Nazi the more glad I am he fucked your horrendous candidate!

[trileacman]

Obama was a great president and I think will rightly go down in history as such. I think he'll be mentioned in the same breath as Kennedy and FDR in years to come. A true compassionate leader.

Pity he didn't get a 20 year term. It's sad so many Americans (and Irish apparently) are so naive and weak minded that they can be brainwashed into thinking he was a poor president. Obamination" is the mutterings of a total utter gobshite.

[seafoid]

Ok Stew, please explain each of these: 'Obama has been a national disaster, financially, morally and ethically'.

Financially the rich have never been richer.

[whitey]

Obama was a great president and I think will rightly go down in history as such. I think he'll be mentioned in the same breath as Kennedy and FDR in years to come. A true compassionate leader.

Pity he didn't get a 20 year term. It's sad so many Americans (and Irish apparently) are so naive and weak minded that they can be brainwashed into thinking he was a poor president. Obamination" is the mutterings of a total utter gobshite.

Lol.....for a minute I thought it was  April Fools Day

[sid waddell]

Obama was a great president and I think will rightly go down in history as such. I think he'll be mentioned in the same breath as Kennedy and FDR in years to come. A true compassionate leader.

Pity he didn't get a 20 year term. It's sad so many Americans (and Irish apparently) are so naive and weak minded that they can be brainwashed into thinking he was a poor president. Obamination" is the mutterings of a total utter gobshite.

A good President, not a great President, as Eamon Dunphy would say.

But looking gooder by the day given what's following him. Bigly.

[muppet]

Obama was a great president and I think will rightly go down in history as such. I think he'll be mentioned in the same breath as Kennedy and FDR in years to come. A true compassionate leader.

Pity he didn't get a 20 year term. It's sad so many Americans (and Irish apparently) are so naive and weak minded that they can be brainwashed into thinking he was a poor president. Obamination" is the mutterings of a total utter gobshite.

Sadly in the States around 80% of the population will automatically think someone is the worst possible candidate, President, Governor, Sherriff, TV Station, DJ, Gossip columnist etc, etc, simply because of the party they are in.

Half of this 80% are usually outraged with the other half.

The remaining 20% keep their heads down as the majority of the 80% are outraged at them.