The Many Faces of US Politics...

[J70]

So the Dems win the popular vote and lose the election for the second time in five elections.

Won six of last seven too.

Will that rein the GOP and Trump in?

Or will it be a case of making hay while the sun shines?

[manfromdelmonte]

So the Dems win the popular vote and lose the election for the second time in five elections.

Won six of last seven too.

Will that rein the GOP and Trump in?

Or will it be a case of making hay while the sun shines?

a lot of republicans in the senate and house will not vote with Trump

I hope

[Milltown Row2]

Serious amount of drama queens around the world. He won. The sky did not fall in. Get over it and get on with your lives. You never know, he may even do a reasonable job. As Clinton said herself, he deserves a chance to lead.

+1. It won't make a damn bit of difference to my life.

Oh yes it will!

How exactly ?

I'm still waiting on brexit making a difference... would need to be worse than than the bank failure otherwise it's actually ok

MR some UK diplomat said the UK foreign policy for the last 40 years has been as a bridge to an open US into an EU in which the UK paid a full part. Now all that is in bits .

When I'm living on the streets I'll let you know!!

No one said you will be living in the streets.

But when you are arguing that you are still waiting for Brexit to make a difference, at least 6 months before it's 2 year negotiation process even begins, then you are not really analysing the effects of Brexit are you?

Regarding the 26, with Brexit and a Trump Presidency to commence before next summer, yes things will change in Ireland. Our biggest market will contract and the worlds' largest economy could move in any direction, bringing their multinationals and a huge part of our GDP with them.

The Baltics, Ukraine and even Findland could find themselves with a managing Russia flexing more muscle than usual, now that for the first time ever, they got their man into the White House. So how will that affect our EU colleagues?

If you want to argue that nothing will happen then fair enough, but it would add credence to be able to point to some reasons why. Calling people drama queens isn't really much of an argument and neither is saying that nothing has happened yet, when neither of the problem scenarios have even commenced yet, is an even dafter argument.

When it happens to be worse than before I'll take that adopt measures in my life to make work, I'm not and neither are you or even seafoid able to do anything about it, other than speculate the life right out off it!!

I've seen worse clampits in charge of America and lived through the troubles and a few recessions!! Life is still 1000 % better than before

[Franko]

Serious amount of drama queens around the world. He won. The sky did not fall in. Get over it and get on with your lives. You never know, he may even do a reasonable job. As Clinton said herself, he deserves a chance to lead.

+1. It won't make a damn bit of difference to my life.

Oh yes it will!

How exactly ?

I'm still waiting on brexit making a difference... would need to be worse than than the bank failure otherwise it's actually ok

Take it you haven't been in the 26 recently then? 

[Franko]

Serious amount of drama queens around the world. He won. The sky did not fall in. Get over it and get on with your lives. You never know, he may even do a reasonable job. As Clinton said herself, he deserves a chance to lead.

+1. It won't make a damn bit of difference to my life.

Oh yes it will!

How exactly ?

I'm still waiting on brexit making a difference... would need to be worse than than the bank failure otherwise it's actually ok

MR some UK diplomat said the UK foreign policy for the last 40 years has been as a bridge to an open US into an EU in which the UK paid a full part. Now all that is in bits .

When I'm living on the streets I'll let you know!!

No one said you will be living in the streets.

But when you are arguing that you are still waiting for Brexit to make a difference, at least 6 months before it's 2 year negotiation process even begins, then you are not really analysing the effects of Brexit are you?

Regarding the 26, with Brexit and a Trump Presidency to commence before next summer, yes things will change in Ireland. Our biggest market will contract and the worlds' largest economy could move in any direction, bringing their multinationals and a huge part of our GDP with them.

The Baltics, Ukraine and even Findland could find themselves with a managing Russia flexing more muscle than usual, now that for the first time ever, they got their man into the White House. So how will that affect our EU colleagues?

If you want to argue that nothing will happen then fair enough, but it would add credence to be able to point to some reasons why. Calling people drama queens isn't really much of an argument and neither is saying that nothing has happened yet, when neither of the problem scenarios have even commenced yet, is an even dafter argument.

When it happens to be worse than before I'll take that adopt measures in my life to make work, I'm not and neither are you or even seafoid able to do anything about it, other than speculate the life right out off it!!

I've seen worse clampits in charge of America and lived through the troubles and a few recessions!! Life is still 1000 % better than before

Name them.

Also, when you say that the bank collapse "wasn't that bad".  You're only speaking for yourself there, that's not an assessment of the actual realities of it for a huge number of people.

[whitey]

So the Dems win the popular vote and lose the election for the second time in five elections.

Won six of last seven too.

Will that rein the GOP and Trump in?

Or will it be a case of making hay while the sun shines?

a lot of republicans in the senate and house will not vote with Trump

I hope

Where did you hear that?

[bennydorano]

Serenity Prayer

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

(Although known most widely in its abbreviated form above,
the entire prayer reads as follows...)

Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.

[Milltown Row2]

Serious amount of drama queens around the world. He won. The sky did not fall in. Get over it and get on with your lives. You never know, he may even do a reasonable job. As Clinton said herself, he deserves a chance to lead.

+1. It won't make a damn bit of difference to my life.

Oh yes it will!

How exactly ?

I'm still waiting on brexit making a difference... would need to be worse than than the bank failure otherwise it's actually ok

Take it you haven't been in the 26 recently then? 

According to seafoid it's the place to be

[Milltown Row2]

Serious amount of drama queens around the world. He won. The sky did not fall in. Get over it and get on with your lives. You never know, he may even do a reasonable job. As Clinton said herself, he deserves a chance to lead.

+1. It won't make a damn bit of difference to my life.

Oh yes it will!

How exactly ?

I'm still waiting on brexit making a difference... would need to be worse than than the bank failure otherwise it's actually ok

MR some UK diplomat said the UK foreign policy for the last 40 years has been as a bridge to an open US into an EU in which the UK paid a full part. Now all that is in bits .

When I'm living on the streets I'll let you know!!

No one said you will be living in the streets.

But when you are arguing that you are still waiting for Brexit to make a difference, at least 6 months before it's 2 year negotiation process even begins, then you are not really analysing the effects of Brexit are you?

Regarding the 26, with Brexit and a Trump Presidency to commence before next summer, yes things will change in Ireland. Our biggest market will contract and the worlds' largest economy could move in any direction, bringing their multinationals and a huge part of our GDP with them.

The Baltics, Ukraine and even Findland could find themselves with a managing Russia flexing more muscle than usual, now that for the first time ever, they got their man into the White House. So how will that affect our EU colleagues?

If you want to argue that nothing will happen then fair enough, but it would add credence to be able to point to some reasons why. Calling people drama queens isn't really much of an argument and neither is saying that nothing has happened yet, when neither of the problem scenarios have even commenced yet, is an even dafter argument.

When it happens to be worse than before I'll take that adopt measures in my life to make work, I'm not and neither are you or even seafoid able to do anything about it, other than speculate the life right out off it!!

I've seen worse clampits in charge of America and lived through the troubles and a few recessions!! Life is still 1000 % better than before

Name them.

Also, when you say that the bank collapse "wasn't that bad".  You're only speaking for yourself there, that's not an assessment of the actual realities of it for a huge number of people.

Tegan and Bush jr for starters .... it never affected anyone I know... I can't answer for you.. I know you said you had it hard, but do you not believe living now is better than life growing up in the seventies?? For me and I lived on the Falls road most of my life I'm far better off and so are my kids. Only real barometer I can go with to be honest

[Franko]

Quite.

That serenity should possibly extend to knowing that you can't change the fact that some people might think that Donald Trump being elected president of America and Britain leaving the EU is a bad thing.

And that they might want to discuss this on... er... a discussion board perhaps.

If these discussions annoy you please feel free not to partake in them.

If we only discussed things on this board that we were able to change you could delete 95% of the threads straight away.

[moysider]

Clinton was a bad candidate.

Stupid Goddam Democrats.

Dunno. Somebody in politics as long as Hilary is going to have a few stains but I'm not sure they could have done better. I like Bernie Sanders but I think he would have been destroyed as well. Trump would just have targeted him in a different way. He'd have been labelled as socialist, commie-loving, liberal, soft on emigration/crime etc. It would be emails, Benghazi, lock-her-up tactic in a different guise. Trump's electioneering was just a means to an end. One of the best brain washing campaigns ever. The key was to keep the message simple and repetitive and avoid policy and minute. They pulled it off brilliantly. Probably because they targeted a sizable % of people that will believe something they want to hear, especially if they hear it often enough.
Notice the change in difference in Trump's body language in acceptance speech. The exaggerated hand gestures were well toned down. I suspect everything will be toned down now. Becoming President is an end for itself for this man I suspect.

[Franko]

Serious amount of drama queens around the world. He won. The sky did not fall in. Get over it and get on with your lives. You never know, he may even do a reasonable job. As Clinton said herself, he deserves a chance to lead.

+1. It won't make a damn bit of difference to my life.

Oh yes it will!

How exactly ?

I'm still waiting on brexit making a difference... would need to be worse than than the bank failure otherwise it's actually ok

MR some UK diplomat said the UK foreign policy for the last 40 years has been as a bridge to an open US into an EU in which the UK paid a full part. Now all that is in bits .

When I'm living on the streets I'll let you know!!

No one said you will be living in the streets.

But when you are arguing that you are still waiting for Brexit to make a difference, at least 6 months before it's 2 year negotiation process even begins, then you are not really analysing the effects of Brexit are you?

Regarding the 26, with Brexit and a Trump Presidency to commence before next summer, yes things will change in Ireland. Our biggest market will contract and the worlds' largest economy could move in any direction, bringing their multinationals and a huge part of our GDP with them.

The Baltics, Ukraine and even Findland could find themselves with a managing Russia flexing more muscle than usual, now that for the first time ever, they got their man into the White House. So how will that affect our EU colleagues?

If you want to argue that nothing will happen then fair enough, but it would add credence to be able to point to some reasons why. Calling people drama queens isn't really much of an argument and neither is saying that nothing has happened yet, when neither of the problem scenarios have even commenced yet, is an even dafter argument.

When it happens to be worse than before I'll take that adopt measures in my life to make work, I'm not and neither are you or even seafoid able to do anything about it, other than speculate the life right out off it!!

I've seen worse clampits in charge of America and lived through the troubles and a few recessions!! Life is still 1000 % better than before

Name them.

Also, when you say that the bank collapse "wasn't that bad".  You're only speaking for yourself there, that's not an assessment of the actual realities of it for a huge number of people.

Tegan and Bush jr for starters .... it never affected anyone I know... I can't answer for you.. I know you said you had it hard, but do you not believe living now is better than life growing up in the seventies?? For me and I lived on the Falls road most of my life I'm far better off and so are my kids. Only real barometer I can go with to be honest

So you didn't know anyone who had to take a pay cut/emigrate for work/was made redundant/lost their home/suffered a breakup of their family due to financial pressures/had their lives affected by suicide/depression due to financial issues? Anyone at all???  Quite frankly, you're either fibbing or you must never leave the house.

And why do you keep making this irrelevant straw man point about the standard of life here in the seventies?  Did I say this anywhere or at any time??

Life must be fairly poor for you if you are arguing that everything is OK as long as you're not getting blown up or shot.

[Milltown Row2]

Serious amount of drama queens around the world. He won. The sky did not fall in. Get over it and get on with your lives. You never know, he may even do a reasonable job. As Clinton said herself, he deserves a chance to lead.

+1. It won't make a damn bit of difference to my life.

Oh yes it will!

How exactly ?

I'm still waiting on brexit making a difference... would need to be worse than than the bank failure otherwise it's actually ok

MR some UK diplomat said the UK foreign policy for the last 40 years has been as a bridge to an open US into an EU in which the UK paid a full part. Now all that is in bits .

When I'm living on the streets I'll let you know!!

No one said you will be living in the streets.

But when you are arguing that you are still waiting for Brexit to make a difference, at least 6 months before it's 2 year negotiation process even begins, then you are not really analysing the effects of Brexit are you?

Regarding the 26, with Brexit and a Trump Presidency to commence before next summer, yes things will change in Ireland. Our biggest market will contract and the worlds' largest economy could move in any direction, bringing their multinationals and a huge part of our GDP with them.

The Baltics, Ukraine and even Findland could find themselves with a managing Russia flexing more muscle than usual, now that for the first time ever, they got their man into the White House. So how will that affect our EU colleagues?

If you want to argue that nothing will happen then fair enough, but it would add credence to be able to point to some reasons why. Calling people drama queens isn't really much of an argument and neither is saying that nothing has happened yet, when neither of the problem scenarios have even commenced yet, is an even dafter argument.

When it happens to be worse than before I'll take that adopt measures in my life to make work, I'm not and neither are you or even seafoid able to do anything about it, other than speculate the life right out off it!!

I've seen worse clampits in charge of America and lived through the troubles and a few recessions!! Life is still 1000 % better than before

Name them.

Also, when you say that the bank collapse "wasn't that bad".  You're only speaking for yourself there, that's not an assessment of the actual realities of it for a huge number of people.

Tegan and Bush jr for starters .... it never affected anyone I know... I can't answer for you.. I know you said you had it hard, but do you not believe living now is better than life growing up in the seventies?? For me and I lived on the Falls road most of my life I'm far better off and so are my kids. Only real barometer I can go with to be honest

So you didn't know anyone who had to take a pay cut/emigrate for work/was made redundant/lost their home/suffered a breakup of their family due to financial pressures/had their lives affected by suicide/depression due to financial issues? Anyone at all???  Quite frankly, you're either fibbing or you must never leave the house.

And why do you keep making this irrelevant straw man point about the standard of life here in the seventies?  Did I say this anywhere or at any time??

Life must be fairly poor for you if you are arguing that everything is OK as long as you're not getting blown up or shot.

Everyone took a freeze or pay cut during that period... but anyone I know didn't lose their job or as far as I know suffer depression for it! You want me to make it up??  I've (I'm sure like most) debt that I continue to pay off I've a mortgage that seems like it's the same since I started 18 years ago... worrying about won't make these things disappear... you just do what you have to do... depression hits rich and poor people it's doesn't discriminate..

It could all go tits up tomorrow for me, but hey I've been down there before, it's how you deal with it when it happens... we've all had trauma in or lives. You're not the only one

[Franko]

Ah, so now it affected everyone you know.  Jesus wept. 

And again, leave out the straw man crap, I didn't say it only affected me... in fact, I was saying exactly the opposite.

Thanks for the life advice, though I don't recall asking for it.  Maybe you could start your very own thread telling everyone how you've dealt with your issues in life and leave us in peace to discuss the results of the American election.  Cheers.

[J70]

So the Dems win the popular vote and lose the election for the second time in five elections.

Won six of last seven too.

Will that rein the GOP and Trump in?

Or will it be a case of making hay while the sun shines?

a lot of republicans in the senate and house will not vote with Trump

I hope

Doubtful, but even if true, that does nothing to hamstring the harmful effects of installing right wing political appointees to the various departments.

Get ready for climate deniers controlling the Interior department and lots of federal lands opening up to drilling and mining; rolling back of environmental and ecological protections; lower enforcement of environmental, worker and consumer protection laws and so on and on.