The Many Faces of US Politics...

[muppet]

You've said this before about Obama:

Did you watch the clip?

The bill was specifically written in a "tortured" manner (his words, not mine) so as to hide its true costs.

I don't know what you work at, but in my line of work, if I pulled something like that on a client, I would be looking at about 10 years in jail.

In what country do you work?

What planet more likely.

And I did watch the clip. I see a fool boasting about his own self-importance.

And show me the law that puts you in jail for 10 years for writing something in a 'tortured' manner or indeed to hide true costs.

I'm not a legal expert, but at a minimum, I would expect them to go after him for perjury, conspiracy and fraud all of which carry very hefty penalties.  Whether they can get a conviction, thats another issue, but I would not like to be in his shoes right now. This beatdown is going to be epic

Epic?

[whitey]

Lol...the reason it didn't happen is down to the crooked DOJ

Loretta Lynch is going down too

It will be double epic and maybe even triple epic

[muppet]

Lol...the reason it didn't happen is down to the crooked DOJ

Loretta Lynch is going down too

It will be double epic and maybe even triple epic

Of course. Everyone remotely non-GOP is crooked.

[seafoid]

370 economists, including 8 Nobel Prize winners, weigh in on Trump's bullshit:

(Word like "conspiracy theory", "mislead", "misrepresent", "deep ignorance", "fake" and "magical thinking" feature prominently.)

We, the undersigned economists, represent a broad variety of areas of expertise and are united in our opposition to Donald Trump. We recommend that voters choose a different candidate on the following grounds:

 He degrades trust in vital public institutions that collect and disseminate information about the economy, such as the Bureau of Labor Statistics, by spreading disinformation about the integrity of their work.

 He has misled voters in states like Ohio and Michigan by asserting that the renegotiation of NAFTA or the imposition of tariffs on China would substantially increase employment in manufacturing. In fact, manufacturing's share of employment has been declining since the 1970s and is mostly related to automation, not trade.

 He claims to champion former manufacturing workers, but has no plan to assist their transition to well-compensated service sector positions. Instead, he has diverted the policy discussion to options that ignore both the reality of technological progress and the benefits of international trade.

 He has misled the public by asserting that U.S. manufacturing has declined. The location and product composition of manufacturing has changed, but the level of output has more than doubled in the U.S. since the 1980s.

 He has falsely suggested that trade is zero-sum and that the "toughness" of negotiators primarily drives trade deficits.

 He has misled the public with false statements about trade agreements eroding national income and wealth. Although the gains have not been equally distributed—and this is an important discussion in itself—both mean income and mean wealth have risen substantially in the U.S. since the 1980s.

 He has lowered the seriousness of the national dialogue by suggesting that the elimination of the Environmental Protection Agency or the Department of Education would significantly reduce the fiscal deficit. A credible solution will require an increase in tax revenue and/or a reduction in spending on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or Defense.

 He claims he will eliminate the fiscal deficit, but has proposed a plan that would decrease tax revenue by $2.6 to $5.9 trillion over the next decade according to the non-partisan Tax Foundation.

 He claims that he will reduce the trade deficit, but has proposed a reduction in public saving that is likely to increase it.

 He uses immigration as a red herring to mislead voters about issues of economic importance, such as the stagnation of wages for households with low levels of education. Several forces are responsible for this, but immigration appears to play only a modest role. Focusing the dialogue on this channel, rather than more substantive channels, such as automation, diverts the public debate to unproductive policy options.

 He has misled the electorate by asserting that the U.S. is one of the most heavily taxed countries. While the U.S. has a high top statutory corporate tax rate, the average effective rate is much lower, and taxes on income and consumption are relatively low. Overall, the U.S. has one of the lowest ratios of tax revenue to GDP in the OECD.

 His statements reveal a deep ignorance of economics and an inability to listen to credible experts. He repeats fake and misleading economic statistics, and pushes fallacies about the VAT and trade competitiveness.

 He promotes magical thinking and conspiracy theories over sober assessments of feasible economic policy options.

Donald Trump is a dangerous, destructive choice for the country. He misinforms the electorate, degrades trust in public institutions with conspiracy theories, and promotes willful delusion over engagement with reality. If elected, he poses a unique danger to the functioning of democratic and economic institutions, and to the prosperity of the country. For these reasons, we strongly recommend that you do not vote for Donald Trump.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/EconomistLetter11012016.pdf

"He misinforms the electorate, degrades trust in public institutions , and promotes willful delusion over engagement with reality"

So do economists. So does Hillary
the system is broken.
The Fed is taking the piss

Sorry, but there's no equivalency here.

It's degrees of open malevolence
Both sides are incompetent

Eminent economists at the Fed told everyone that the US would raise interest rates back to 4% by 2018
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/bernanke20130301a.htm

It didn't happen because they don't understand the economy. One rate rise since of 0.25%
They will not address income inequality. Neither will the Dems.
The US economy is not going to recover.

That is driving the Trump vote and Hillary will not address it
Because she doesn't work for voters.

[screenexile]

Hillary is going down.....remember, you heard it here first

No we didn't!!

[J70]

It's degrees of open malevolence
Both sides are incompetent

Eminent economists at the Fed told everyone that the US would raise interest rates back to 4% by 2018
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/bernanke20130301a.htm

It didn't happen because they don't understand the economy. One rate rise since of 0.25%
They will not address income inequality. Neither will the Dems.
The US economy is not going to recover.

That is driving the Trump vote and Hillary will not address it
Because she doesn't work for voters.

I'm not going to argue the "degree" bit. By definition, politicians cherry pick evidence, pander, and promise, and due to the checks and balances of the democratic system, can't deliver on all of it.

Economics is not physics or chemisty. There are way too many variables in the mix to make minute, accurate predictions all the time. That doesn't render it useless though.

And it does NOT mean that Trump can't be called on his spectacular lies and bullshit.

Yes, good for him, he identified that certain segments of working class America have suffered under globalization and deindustrialization. Whoop de f**king do. Its been happening for decades. As I've said here before, its affected my own county of Donegal and many parts of Ireland greatly.

That he is seducing these people with promises of trade wars and tariffs and magic beans bringing back these jobs only means that they're stupid and gullible and he is either ignorant or cynical (probably both according to many accounts).

What, out of interest, would you have either Trump OR Hillary do to help these communities?

What should they do for an out of work miner or car plant press operator in his 50s?

[muppet]

Malania Trump makes her first solo appearance of the campaign, in front of the Dublin Footballers' backroom team.

[screenexile]

Lol...the reason it didn't happen is down to the crooked DOJ

Loretta Lynch is going down too

It will be double epic and maybe even triple epic

She won't either because she will tell when subpoenaed that her and Bill had a social conversation and as there is nothing to prove otherwise it will more than likely go away. . . not that you GOP morons won't keep shouting about it when you have no proof but sure when did that stop you?

The Party's nominee has faced numerous scandals that would nosedive any other presidential candidacy and yet he won't resign... why would anyone else ever resign again now that Trump has proven you can just ride out the storm and morons will keep following you!!!

[muppet]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-northcarolina-insight-idUSKBN12Y0ZY?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

When Bill McAnulty, an elections board chairman in a mostly white North Carolina county, agreed in July to open a Sunday voting site where black church members could cast ballots after services, the reaction was swift: he was labeled a traitor by his fellow Republicans.

    "I became a villain, quite frankly," recalled McAnulty at a state board of elections meeting in September that had been called to resolve disputes over early voting plans. "I got accused of being a traitor and everything else by the Republican Party," McAnulty said.

   Following the blowback from Republicans, McAnulty later withdrew his support for the Sunday site.

[seafoid]

Hillary is Fianna Fáil in 2005. Respectable but venal and incompetent. Good people will vote for her because of the party and will be shafted when the crash happens. Cowen said "we made decisions with the info available at the time" but didn't talk about what they ignored like she ignores.

Trump is an inter war dictator. Say Hungary.

[muppet]

Seth Meyers absolutely nails it!

https://www.facebook.com/LateNightSeth/videos/752515804899101/

[Gmac]

These kinda sum up my thoughts on the election looking at it from the outside







But this photo by Nate Gowdy, of a Trump rally in Loveland, CO, on Oct. 3rd, 2016 is stunning -  Without a single letter of copy, it tells an entire story

on the Chris Hayes tweet wonder who are the black panthers and the Muslim brotherhood members voting for ?

[muppet]

Muslim Brotherhood would definitely vote for Trump.

He is a Godsend Allahsend for them. Can you imagine how easy he has made recruitment for them?

Not to mention that his strategic prowess seems to be limited to keeping the Mongols out.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Supposing you had to choose one person in the pic of the Trump rally as a democratic spy....who would it be?

[muppet]

Supposing you had to choose one person in the pic of the Trump rally as a democratic spy....who would it be?

Stew would say it is Trump himself.

I'd say it is the large Pepsi near the front. Surely all Trump supporters wold be coke-heads?