The Many Faces of US Politics...

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stew

Quote from: tyssam5 on October 05, 2016, 12:57:15 AM
Quote from: stew on September 27, 2016, 09:10:55 PM
Clinton has had thirty years to effectively change America and the world as a career politician, she has failed miserably at every turn, she has made racist comments about black men and she won last night because Trump wanted to not be seen attacking her.

The moderator was as usual lobbing her softballs and once again went soft on her, I have never seen an election with so much collusion in it, this notch needs to be brought to task for her many failures,Trump is going to unload at some point, can't wait!0

30 years ago Hilary was first lady of Arkansas. I'm not sure that position comes with the power to change America and the world?

She cut her teeth there and she changed her own world, she was setting the foundation of what came later right there at home in the mansion.

She is corrupt, we all know it, she is a vile human being and again she should be in prison.

Bubba continues to throw Obama under the ,bus, yet the pres is out there canvassing for his wife, politics like football, is a funny old game!

Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

whitey

#4756
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 04, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care

That's terrible

It certainly is for "the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world."

muppet

Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 04, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care

That's terrible

It certainly is for "the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world."

Maybe if great, brilliant people like Donald Trump paid some taxes, it wouldn't be such a burden.
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whitey

Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 04, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care

That's terrible

It certainly is for "the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world."

Maybe if great, brilliant people like Donald Trump paid some taxes, it wouldn't be such a burden.

I couldn't agree more, but I'd also ask the same of the following (who are either Democrats or Hillary supporters)

The Waltons (Walmart)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/how-wal-mart-s-waltons-maintain-their-billionaire-fortune-taxes

The Kennedys

https://www.atr.org/ted-kennedy-death-tax-loophole

"Forbes recently reviewed how the billion dollar Kennedy family actively avoids the death tax by their cunning use of various accounting gimmicks and family trusts."


John Kerry

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/25/exclusive-kerry-heinz-family-has-millions-invested-in-offshore-tax-havens/

"A DCNF investigation has confirmed that the former Massachusetts Democratic senator and his billionaire wife, using an elaborate set of Heinz family trusts, have invested "more than $1 million" each into 11 separate offshore accounts — mainly hedge funds in the Cayman Islands."


muppet

Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 04, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care

That's terrible

It certainly is for "the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world."

Maybe if great, brilliant people like Donald Trump paid some taxes, it wouldn't be such a burden.

I couldn't agree more, but I'd also ask the same of the following (who are either Democrats or Hillary supporters)

The Waltons (Walmart)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/how-wal-mart-s-waltons-maintain-their-billionaire-fortune-taxes

The Kennedys

https://www.atr.org/ted-kennedy-death-tax-loophole

"Forbes recently reviewed how the billion dollar Kennedy family actively avoids the death tax by their cunning use of various accounting gimmicks and family trusts."


John Kerry

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/25/exclusive-kerry-heinz-family-has-millions-invested-in-offshore-tax-havens/

"A DCNF investigation has confirmed that the former Massachusetts Democratic senator and his billionaire wife, using an elaborate set of Heinz family trusts, have invested "more than $1 million" each into 11 separate offshore accounts — mainly hedge funds in the Cayman Islands."

Whaddabout Trump though? Billionaire pays no income taxes in 18 years, and he is asking for your vote!

MWWSI 2017

seafoid

Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 04, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care

That's terrible

It certainly is for "the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world."

Maybe if great, brilliant people like Donald Trump paid some taxes, it wouldn't be such a burden.

I couldn't agree more, but I'd also ask the same of the following (who are either Democrats or Hillary supporters)

The Waltons (Walmart)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/how-wal-mart-s-waltons-maintain-their-billionaire-fortune-taxes

The Kennedys

https://www.atr.org/ted-kennedy-death-tax-loophole

"Forbes recently reviewed how the billion dollar Kennedy family actively avoids the death tax by their cunning use of various accounting gimmicks and family trusts."


John Kerry

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/25/exclusive-kerry-heinz-family-has-millions-invested-in-offshore-tax-havens/

"A DCNF investigation has confirmed that the former Massachusetts Democratic senator and his billionaire wife, using an elaborate set of Heinz family trusts, have invested "more than $1 million" each into 11 separate offshore accounts — mainly hedge funds in the Cayman Islands."

Whaddabout Trump though? Billionaire pays no income taxes in 18 years, and he is asking for your vote!
Does that mean he made less than 1bn in total profit over 20 years?

muppet

Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 10:13:47 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 04, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care

That's terrible

It certainly is for "the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world."

Maybe if great, brilliant people like Donald Trump paid some taxes, it wouldn't be such a burden.

I couldn't agree more, but I'd also ask the same of the following (who are either Democrats or Hillary supporters)

The Waltons (Walmart)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/how-wal-mart-s-waltons-maintain-their-billionaire-fortune-taxes

The Kennedys

https://www.atr.org/ted-kennedy-death-tax-loophole

"Forbes recently reviewed how the billion dollar Kennedy family actively avoids the death tax by their cunning use of various accounting gimmicks and family trusts."


John Kerry

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/25/exclusive-kerry-heinz-family-has-millions-invested-in-offshore-tax-havens/

"A DCNF investigation has confirmed that the former Massachusetts Democratic senator and his billionaire wife, using an elaborate set of Heinz family trusts, have invested "more than $1 million" each into 11 separate offshore accounts — mainly hedge funds in the Cayman Islands."

Whaddabout Trump though? Billionaire pays no income taxes in 18 years, and he is asking for your vote!
Does that mean he made less than 1bn in total profit over 20 years?

All I know is that whatever he did, he did it 'brilliantly'.
MWWSI 2017

TabClear

Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 04, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care

That's terrible

It certainly is for "the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world."

Maybe if great, brilliant people like Donald Trump paid some taxes, it wouldn't be such a burden.

I couldn't agree more, but I'd also ask the same of the following (who are either Democrats or Hillary supporters)

The Waltons (Walmart)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/how-wal-mart-s-waltons-maintain-their-billionaire-fortune-taxes

The Kennedys

https://www.atr.org/ted-kennedy-death-tax-loophole

"Forbes recently reviewed how the billion dollar Kennedy family actively avoids the death tax by their cunning use of various accounting gimmicks and family trusts."


John Kerry

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/25/exclusive-kerry-heinz-family-has-millions-invested-in-offshore-tax-havens/

"A DCNF investigation has confirmed that the former Massachusetts Democratic senator and his billionaire wife, using an elaborate set of Heinz family trusts, have invested "more than $1 million" each into 11 separate offshore accounts — mainly hedge funds in the Cayman Islands."

Whaddabout Trump though? Billionaire pays no income taxes in 18 years, and he is asking for your vote!

The tax thing I actually have sympathy for Trump on. From my reading of the article what he did wasnt even particularly creative.  He was entitled to set off losses against future income just like everyone else.  Okay the numbers are astronomical but he didn't write the tax code.  If I had shares in a company and the directors were voluntarily paying to much tax I wouldn't be long pulling my investment.

Unfortunately he is a complete moron and how he handled the PR and his arrogance around how he answered questions on it was incredible.

whitey

Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: dec on October 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 04, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care

That's terrible

It certainly is for "the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world."

Maybe if great, brilliant people like Donald Trump paid some taxes, it wouldn't be such a burden.

I couldn't agree more, but I'd also ask the same of the following (who are either Democrats or Hillary supporters)

The Waltons (Walmart)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/how-wal-mart-s-waltons-maintain-their-billionaire-fortune-taxes

The Kennedys

https://www.atr.org/ted-kennedy-death-tax-loophole

"Forbes recently reviewed how the billion dollar Kennedy family actively avoids the death tax by their cunning use of various accounting gimmicks and family trusts."


John Kerry

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/25/exclusive-kerry-heinz-family-has-millions-invested-in-offshore-tax-havens/

"A DCNF investigation has confirmed that the former Massachusetts Democratic senator and his billionaire wife, using an elaborate set of Heinz family trusts, have invested "more than $1 million" each into 11 separate offshore accounts — mainly hedge funds in the Cayman Islands."

Whaddabout Trump though? Billionaire pays no income taxes in 18 years, and he is asking for your vote!

Im now voting for Jill Stein....Aleppo moment disqualified Johnson.

As much as I disagree with Trump not paying income taxes he did not break any laws and he pays plenty of other taxes that contribute to the taxpayer such as property tax

Meanwhile Hillary deleted 30000 emails that were under congressional subpoena, smashed 3 mobile electronic devices with a hammer, and had her homebrew server forensically wiped. Then her IT guy pleaded the fifth.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/02/fbi-docs-aide-destroyed-hillarys-old-phones-with-a-hammer/

muppet

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whitey

Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:30:46 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/donald-trumps-former-accountant-says-billionaire-wasnt-brilliant/

As for the emails: http://europe.newsweek.com/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373?rm=eu

Clinton 'lost' 0.1% of the number of emails that the Bush administration lost. Where is the faux outrage over that?

That was also disgraceful but the difference is that Bushs emails weren't intentionally deleted AFTER having being subpoenaed by congress, and they were not stored on a PERSONAL  server in his basement, that was then forensically SCRUBBED, and no devices of his were SMASHED with a hammer to further impede an inquiry.

muppet

Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 10:39:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:30:46 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/donald-trumps-former-accountant-says-billionaire-wasnt-brilliant/

As for the emails: http://europe.newsweek.com/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373?rm=eu

Clinton 'lost' 0.1% of the number of emails that the Bush administration lost. Where is the faux outrage over that?

That was also disgraceful but the difference is that Bushs emails weren't intentionally deleted AFTER having being subpoenaed by congress, and they were not stored on a PERSONAL  server in his basement, that was then forensically SCRUBBED, and no devices of his were SMASHED with a hammer to further impede an inquiry.

They were on a private domain and were on a private server. Then they were deleted.

1,000 times the number of Clinton.
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Gmac

Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 10:39:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:30:46 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/donald-trumps-former-accountant-says-billionaire-wasnt-brilliant/

As for the emails: http://europe.newsweek.com/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373?rm=eu

Clinton 'lost' 0.1% of the number of emails that the Bush administration lost. Where is the faux outrage over that?

That was also disgraceful but the difference is that Bushs emails weren't intentionally deleted AFTER having being subpoenaed by congress, and they were not stored on a PERSONAL  server in his basement, that was then forensically SCRUBBED, and no devices of his were SMASHED with a hammer to further impede an inquiry.

People who are voting for trump are voting against the likes of bush as well as the democrats ,and a piece of advice for Hillary keep Timmy hidden again now for as long as possible

muppet

http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/web-video/missing-white-house-emails

...In 2007, when Congress asked the Bush administration for emails surrounding the firing of eights U.S. attorneys, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales revealed that many of the emails requested could not be produced because they were sent on a non-government email server.  The officials had used the private domain gwb43.com, a server run by the Republican National Committee. Two years later, it was revealed that potentially 22 million emails were deleted, which was considered by some to be a violation of the Presidential Records Act...
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whitey

Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2016, 10:39:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:30:46 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/donald-trumps-former-accountant-says-billionaire-wasnt-brilliant/

As for the emails: http://europe.newsweek.com/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373?rm=eu

Clinton 'lost' 0.1% of the number of emails that the Bush administration lost. Where is the faux outrage over that?

That was also disgraceful but the difference is that Bushs emails weren't intentionally deleted AFTER having being subpoenaed by congress, and they were not stored on a PERSONAL  server in his basement, that was then forensically SCRUBBED, and no devices of his were SMASHED with a hammer to further impede an inquiry.

They were on a private domain and were on a private server. Then they were deleted.

1,000 times the number of Clinton.

I stand corrected on the use of a private server, but the difference between the 2 cases is that Bushs emails were actually recovered because per the Obama Whitehouse they had been "mislabeled"  (which just Reinforces my point about Hillarys server being forensically scrubbed to avoid recovery).

From the Newsweek article you linked:

"Eventually, the Bush White House admitted it had lost 22 million emails, not 5 million. Then, in December 2009—well into Barack Obama's administration—the White House said it found 22 million emails, dated between 2003 and 2005, that it claimed had been mislabeled"