The Many Faces of US Politics...

[omaghjoe]

See above

Oh thanks that was helpful. Firatly let me explain, you see as far as I know Illinois is still there and functioning, I get sent jobs of interest  from there from time to time so assume the economy is in stout shape? I dont know one politician from there. I know theres a bad gun and gang problem in Chicago, I dont know if thats what you are talking about but fail to see how politicians with private sector experience could exasperate that problem.

So I would love it if you could relate Illinois to Bernie Sanders being a poor performing politician.

http://www.gregharris.org/wp/news/budget/illinois-democrats-consider-painful-cuts-for-friends-and-allies-as-budget-crisis-continues/

"Many states, particularly those led by Republicans, have taken drastic steps to fix their budgets, including cutting spending and requiring public employees to contribute more to their benefits. In some cases, the cutbacks triggered huge protests last year at state capitols by public employees and advocates for the poor.

But Illinois, where Democrats control the governor's office and both houses of the Legislature, flinched, taking only limited steps. Now, with the state staggering under a backlog of $9 billion in unpaid bills, leaders again face the awkward task of inflicting pain on their friends."




I can bold text on this device....but per the author, who knows better than you or I, and who is a Democratic State Rep......IL IS STAGGERING UNDER A BACKLOG OF $9B IN UNPAID BILLS.

So are you trying to say that career politicians cannot balance public finances? Our discussion is about career politicians not Democrat and Republicans.

The article would seem to imply that representatives dont want to make choices that will damage their chances of getting reelected, which makes sense. But thats a problem of democracy and not really related to being a career politicians being able to balance the books.

[DuffleKing]

If you're going to criticise sanders could you provide specifics and evidence? Generalities that might apply to 'someone like him' and assumptions (probably got it for free) are just horseshit.

[J70]

See above

Oh thanks that was helpful. Firatly let me explain, you see as far as I know Illinois is still there and functioning, I get sent jobs of interest  from there from time to time so assume the economy is in stout shape? I dont know one politician from there. I know theres a bad gun and gang problem in Chicago, I dont know if thats what you are talking about but fail to see how politicians with private sector experience could exasperate that problem.

So I would love it if you could relate Illinois to Bernie Sanders being a poor performing politician.

http://www.gregharris.org/wp/news/budget/illinois-democrats-consider-painful-cuts-for-friends-and-allies-as-budget-crisis-continues/

"Many states, particularly those led by Republicans, have taken drastic steps to fix their budgets, including cutting spending and requiring public employees to contribute more to their benefits. In some cases, the cutbacks triggered huge protests last year at state capitols by public employees and advocates for the poor.

But Illinois, where Democrats control the governor's office and both houses of the Legislature, flinched, taking only limited steps. Now, with the state staggering under a backlog of $9 billion in unpaid bills, leaders again face the awkward task of inflicting pain on their friends."




I can bold text on this device....but per the author, who knows better than you or I, and who is a Democratic State Rep......IL IS STAGGERING UNDER A BACKLOG OF $9B IN UNPAID BILLS.

So are you trying to say that career politicians cannot balance public finances? Our discussion is about career politicians not Democrat and Republicans.

The article would seem to imply that representatives dont want to make choices that will damage their chances of getting reelected, which makes sense. But thats a problem of democracy and not really related to being a career politicians being able to balance the books.

Indeed. Look at Kansas with their implementation of extreme trickle-down economics.

[whitey]

Having lived for the past 20 years in Blue states where the Democrats have almost spent their way to extinction I can assure you, while somewhat generalizing, career politicians typically avoid making tough decisions and many more Democrats are career politicians than are Republicans. As a result, Republicans don't have to worry as much about getting re-elected as Democrats as they have other careers and professions to go back to if they get voted out.

[DuffleKing]

That's a no then. 

[whitey]

That's a no then. 

Believe whatever you want my friend....

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429874/ge-leaves-connecticut-boston-blame-taxes

[omaghjoe]

Whitey you where trying to say that  Bernie Sanders lack of private sector experience means he will perform poorly in office.

Then you turn it into a Dem v Rep thing based on your own presumptions that more democrats are career politicians than republicans.

Firslty Bernie Sanders isnt even a proper Democrat.

Secondly even though its irrelevant I am sure you give us a break down of politicians private sector experience v party allegiance.

Thirdly once you've proved that Im sure you could give us another break down of states economic performance v their politicians political allegiance.

It should be easy enough to prove on way or the other. But I suspect that its a typical political soundbite designed to appeal to popularity as most people work in the private sector and resent the security, stability, rights and benefits of public sector workers, and are frustrated when dealing with the methodical and bureaucratic nature of public services. So when you throw all of that in together people assume that public sector workers dont have a clue how the real world works, however that is based on nothing more than a presumption of the masses. But sure its a usefull way to disparage politicians so who cares if its right or wrong

[whitey]

Whitey you where trying to say that  Bernie Sanders lack of private sector experience means he will perform poorly in office.

Then you turn it into a Dem v Rep thing based on your own presumptions that more democrats are career politicians than republicans.

Firslty Bernie Sanders isnt even a proper Democrat.

Secondly even though its irrelevant I am sure you give us a break down of politicians private sector experience v party allegiance.

Thirdly once you've proved that Im sure you could give us another break down of states economic performance v their politicians political allegiance.

It should be easy enough to prove on way or the other. But I suspect that its a typical political soundbite designed to appeal to popularity as most people work in the private sector and resent the security, stability, rights and benefits of public sector workers, and are frustrated when dealing with the methodical and bureaucratic nature of public services. So when you throw all of that in together people assume that public sector workers dont have a clue how the real world works, however that is based on nothing more than a presumption of the masses. But sure its a usefull way to disparage politicians so who cares if its right or wrong

Again...this is a discussion page, therefore one expresses opinions. My opinions (in my opinion) are very well backed up by facts, even though you may interpret the facts differently than I do.

States run by career politicians (mainly, but not exclusively Democrats) have serious issues with deficits, entitlements and spending that they ignored for decades in an effort to cling to power.

In the sames way that Republicans demonize immigrants and welfare recipients, Democrats demonize high earners and big business. 

Now we have a self styled socialist, career politician, whos playing the class envy card running for office, and you think he will be all of a sudden become fiscally conservative (or at least moderate).....I just cant see it, but agiain thats just my opinion, which is about as valid as yours

[seafoid]

Whitey it's not class envy. The richest 1% have destroyed the US economy . Only way to fix things is to redistribute wealth

[whitey]

Whitey it's not class envy. The richest 1% have destroyed the US economy . Only way to fix things is to redistribute wealth

I'll agree to disagree

We've had a Dem in the White House for 16/24 prior years. If it was that simple, why didn't they fix it

[heganboy]

Ask congress why

[omaghjoe]

It seems your opinion is based more on paritsan party politics than anything Whitey, this was not a discussion about the party divide but you  decided it turn it into one.

[muppet]

Whitey it's not class envy. The richest 1% have destroyed the US economy . Only way to fix things is to redistribute wealth

How would you do this?

[Eamonnca1]

Whitey it's not class envy. The richest 1% have destroyed the US economy . Only way to fix things is to redistribute wealth

How would you do this?

Livable minimum wage would be a good start. We need to bury this idea that working in bottom-of-the-ladder jobs is a punishment and its victims deserve to live in poverty.

Progressive taxation with loopholes closed so that the rich pay their fair share like they used to.

Quickly defeat social wedge initiatives introduced by conservatives to distract from the real issues (in 2004 it was GW Bush's proposed constitutional amendment to ban marriage equality, today it's attacking Transgender people).

Break up the banks and end the too-big-to-fail era.

Bring back Glass-Steagall and separate investment from retail banking.

Break up the cozy relationship between the Fed and its regulators.

Scrap Citizen's United, by constitutional amendment if necessary.

Finish the job of bringing in single-payer healthcare so that people aren't beholden to their employers and don't go bankrupt when they get sick. Profit-making health insurance is nothing short of an extortion racket and should be banned in the absence of a public option.

[seafoid]

Whitey it's not class envy. The richest 1% have destroyed the US economy . Only way to fix things is to redistribute wealth

How would you do this?

Tax the f**kers. Same as in the 50s.
It's the same film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi-D24oCa10

Friedman says you can't do it because there will be no investment in growth
But there isn't any anyway