The Many Faces of US Politics...

Started by Tyrones own, March 20, 2009, 09:29:14 PM

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johnneycool

It was a nice touch with the 'En Espanol' button.

give her dixie

During the final debate between Obama and Romney, they both endorsed strict sanctions on Iran. The following article by John Pilger outlines what similar sanctions did to Iraq, and how 500,000 died.

How can the US call itself the "Greatest nation on earth", whenever they are responsible for the murder of millions of innocent people over the last 60+ years.......

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/iraq/2016-john-pilger-from-iraq-to-iran-the-lies-told-by-both-candidates-in-the-us-election

John Pilger: From Iraq to Iran - the lies told by both Obama and Romney in the US election

IN 1999, I travelled to Iraq with Denis Halliday who had resigned as assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations rather than enforce a punitive UN embargo on Iraq.

Devised and policed by the United States and Britain, the extreme suffering caused by these "sanctions" included, according to Unicef, the deaths of half a million Iraqi infants under the age of five.

Ten years later, in New York, I met the senior British official responsible for the imposition of sanctions. He is Carne Ross, once known in the UN as "Mr.Iraq". I read to him a statement he made to a parliamentary select committee in 2007 :

"The weight of evidence clearly indicates that sanctions caused massive human suffering among ordinary Iraqis, particularly children. We, the US and UK governments, were the primary engineers and offenders of sanctions and were well aware of this evidence at the time but we largely ignored it or blamed it on the Saddam government. [We] effectively denied the entire population a means to live."

I said, "That's a shocking admission."

"Yes, I agree," he replied, "I feel very ashamed about it ... Before I went to New York, I went to the Foreign Office expecting a briefing on the vast piles of weapons that we still thought Iraq possessed, and the desk officer sort of looked at me slightly sheepishly and said, 'Well actually, we don't think there is anything in Iraq.' "

That was 1997, more than five years before George W. Bush and Tony Blair invaded Iraq for reasons they knew were fabricated. The bloodshed they caused, according to recent studies, is greater than that of the Rwanda genocide.

On 26 February 2003, one month before the invasion, Dr. Rafil Dhafir, a prominent cancer specialist in Syracuse, New York, was arrested by federal agents and interrogated about the charity he had founded, Help the Needy. Dr. Dhafir was one of many Americans, Muslims and non-Muslims, who for 13 years had raised money for food and medicines for sick and starving Iraqis who were the victims of sanctions.

He had asked US officials if this humanitarian aid was legal and was assured it was -- until the early morning he was hauled out of his car by federal agents as he left for his surgery. His front door was smashed down and his wife had guns pointed at her head. Today, he is serving 22 years in prison.

On the day of the arrest, Bush's attorney-general, John Ashcroft, announced that "funders of terrorism" had been caught. The "terrorist" was a man who had devoted himself to caring for others, including cancer sufferers in his own New York community. More than $2 million was raised for his surety and several people pledged their homes; yet he was refused bail six times.

Charged under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, Dr. Dhafir's crime was to send food and medicine to the stricken country of his birth. He was "offered" the prospect of a lesser sentence if he pleaded guilty and he refused on principle. Plea bargaining is the iniquity of the US judicial system, giving prosecutors the powers of judge, jury and executioner. For refusing, he was punished with added charges, including defrauding the Medicare system, a "crime" based on not having filled out claim forms correctly, and money laundering and tax evasion, inflated technicalities related to the charitable status of Help the Needy.

The then Governor of New York, George Pataki, called this "money laundering to help terrorist organisations ... conduct horrible acts". He described Dr. Dhafir and the supporters of Help the Needy as "terrorists living here in New York among us ... who are supporting and aiding and abetting those who would destroy our way of life and kill our friends and neighbours". For jurors, the message was powerfully manipulative. This was America in the hysterical wake of 9/11.

The trial in 2004 and 2005 was out of Kafka. It began with the prosecution successfully petitioning the judge to prohibit "terrorism" from being mentioned. "This ruling turned into a brick wall for the defence," says Katherine Hughes, an observer in court. "Prosecutors could hint at more serious charges, but the defence was never allowed to follow that line of questioning and demolish it. Consequently, the trial was not, in fact, what it was really about."

It was a political show trial of Stalinist dimensions, an anti-Muslim sideshow to the "war on terror". The jury was told darkly that Dr. Dhafir was a Salafi Muslim, as if this was sinister. Osama bin Laden was mentioned, with no relevance. That Help the Needy had openly advertised its humanitarian aims, and there were invoices and receipts for the purchase of emergency food aid was of no interest. Last February, the same judge, Norman Mordue, "re-sentenced" Dr. Dhafir to 22 years: a cruelty worthy of the Gulag.

With their "terrorist" case "won", the prosecutors held a celebration dinner, "partying," wrote a Syracuse lawyer to the local newspaper, "as if they had won the Super Bowl ... having perpetuated a monstrous lie [against a man] who had helped thousands in Iraq suffering unjustly ... the trial was a perversion". No executive of the oil companies that did billions of dollars of illegal business with Saddam Hussein during the embargo has been prosecuted. "I am stunned by the conviction of this humanitarian," said Denis Halliday, "especially as the US State Department breached its own sanctions to the tune of $10bn."

During this year's US presidential campaign, both candidates agreed on sanctions against Iran which, they claimed, posed a nuclear threat to the Middle East. Repeated over and again, this assertion evoked the lies told about Iraq and the extreme suffering of that country.
Sanctions are already devastating Iran's sick and disabled. As imported drugs become impossibly expensive, leukaemia and other cancer sufferers are the first victims. The Pentagon calls this "full spectrum dominance".
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

stew

Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
It looks like the many faces of US politics include more than a few Hispanic features. Which is very sad for the white conservatives who vote Republican.

Made me smile that, perfectly sums up this kids ignorance, I know many Republicans and over the years I only met two, a husband and wife who were racists, they were also tea partiers, I no longer bother with them because, like you, they are ignorant fcukers!

I know a fair few Democrats, several of them life long Dems who, upon Obama getting the nomination 4 or so years ago decided they were not going to vote for Obama and actually voted Republican, one guy was a lifelong teamster, now they are the real bigots.

I am a fiscal conservative and I am all for Hispanics, blacks, Japanese and Muslims running for office in this country, I dont give a shite what race, color or creed a man or woman is, I would vote for the person I thought would do the best job.

One last thing you plonker, there are many good Republicans in this country, same goes for the Democrats nad just because you voted for Obama does not mean that you automatically like Hispanics and people that differ from you.


Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

seafoid

Quote from: stew on November 09, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
It looks like the many faces of US politics include more than a few Hispanic features. Which is very sad for the white conservatives who vote Republican.

Made me smile that, perfectly sums up this kids ignorance, I know many Republicans and over the years I only met two, a husband and wife who were racists, they were also tea partiers, I no longer bother with them because, like you, they are ignorant fcukers!

I know a fair few Democrats, several of them life long Dems who, upon Obama getting the nomination 4 or so years ago decided they were not going to vote for Obama and actually voted Republican, one guy was a lifelong teamster, now they are the real bigots.

I am a fiscal conservative and I am all for Hispanics, blacks, Japanese and Muslims running for office in this country, I dont give a shite what race, color or creed a man or woman is, I would vote for the person I thought would do the best job.

One last thing you plonker, there are many good Republicans in this country, same goes for the Democrats nad just because you voted for Obama does not mean that you automatically like Hispanics and people that differ from you.
Stew- maybe if there were more Republicans who thought like you do then Romney would have won the Hispanic vote.
It just looks like there aren't enough white guys to push the Republicans over the line. 

Hardy

Maybe if there were enough Hispanics who thought like Stew does ...

seafoid

Quote from: Hardy on November 09, 2012, 02:57:25 PM
Maybe if there were enough Hispanics who thought like Stew does ...
give them time. The Irish used to be the gardeners and the cooks one time and now look at Paul Ryan  :o

stew

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 08, 2012, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on November 08, 2012, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on November 08, 2012, 06:21:40 PM
Chris Christie and Condoleeza Rice as his VP and they take it easy.

Colin Powell would be a serious challenger but he had pissed everyone off in the GOP with his endorsement of Obama.

He would have pissed off the exact sort of extremists that the GOP needs to lose. Him and Bloomberg on the same ticket would be a strong one IMHO.

If Powell runs he should run as a Democrat, he has no business running as a Republican at this stage.

Do you really think that only the GOP has extremists? ::)
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

Declan

In the modern age would a guy like Christie be electable? From what I have heard on a few radio programmes this week he'd need to lose a serious amount of weight before he'd be considered?
Not sure how true that is but wouldn't surprise me. What do our American based posters think (political leanings aside)?

heganboy

Quote from: Declan on November 09, 2012, 04:37:18 PM
In the modern age would a guy like Christie be electable? From what I have heard on a few radio programmes this week he'd need to lose a serious amount of weight before he'd be considered?
Not sure how true that is but wouldn't surprise me. What do our American based posters think (political leanings aside)?

Unfortunately I would agree- one of the most important things is that you look "presidential" which means central casting could get away with putting him in a movie as the president. I'm just not sure that he would make that bar. However, I would also say that the american voting public has surprised me in the past
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

Hardy

You can lose a lot of weight in four years.

seafoid

Ed Moloney 
   
http://thebrokenelbow.com/2012/11/02/some-cynical-thoughts-about-hurricane-sandy/

The first thing is that the storm has confirmed New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg as the repugnant jerk we always thought him to be. The billionaire founder and owner of the Bloomberg financial empire, the self-centered friend of Fifth and Park Avenues and the pal of some of Wall Street's more execrable burghers, has emerged from Hurricane Sandy as the undisputed Mayor not of New York but Manhattan, that is the bit of city where under Bloomberg's three-term mayoralty rents have become so high that it really has become off limits to all but the wealthy.

The other cynical observation concerns Barack Obama who faces re-election this Tuesday. No sooner had the winds from Sandy died down than Obama was on a plane to New Jersey to spend time with a guy who is surely one of the more obnoxious pieces of work in American politics. I am talking about the loud mouthed, egotistical, blustering, far-right bully know as Governor Chris Christie


gallsman

Quote from: Declan on November 09, 2012, 04:37:18 PM
In the modern age would a guy like Christie be electable? From what I have heard on a few radio programmes this week he'd need to lose a serious amount of weight before he'd be considered?
Not sure how true that is but wouldn't surprise me. What do our American based posters think (political leanings aside)?

One of the commentators on with Matt Cooper this week (possibly Ed Hayes or Cal Thomas) mentioned something about Christie having committed to a very public weight loss and fitness regime that they believed is the start of his campaign for 2016.

While he may have pissed off a few in the GOP who may have seen his relationship with Obama over Sandy as some form of betrayal (rather than, you know, doing what he was elected to do - serve the people as best possible), that will fade as it dawns on more people that Romney wasn't going to get close, with or without the hurricane. Christie will be a very, very strong candidate and would have a lot of cross-over appeal with Democrats, particularly in the north-east.

Oraisteach

Christie would certainly benefit from shedding fat--a good start might be Limbaugh and Trump.

seafoid