The Many Faces of US Politics...

[J70]

Critical Race Theory, as an academic discipline, focuses on how racism endures in society regardless of whether people personally embrace racist attitudes.  As such, it is the opposite of making people feel guilty because of slavery. 

As an example of critical race theory in action take the question of why a lower percentage of black people own their own homes today in the US? 

This is, in large part, because of decisions made by banks, and municipalities about who would get loans and who could live where.  Certain districts on Long Island, for example, had written into their regulations, that blacks couldn't own homes there, and we're talking mid-twentieth century here.  That's changed of course, but what it meant was that white families have hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity that black families were never allowed to amass.  So black families, on average, have less wealth, because of institutionalized racist policies. 

Such policies have the effect that black families are at a disadvantage with respect to white families in terms of wealth.  Given how schools work in the US, that means that kids in poor areas (disproportionately black) attend schools with significantly less resources, and thus significantly worse outcomes.

All this happens whether or not white people have racist thoughts "in their hearts". 

This is all common sense to anyone with a modicum of common sense and knowledge of US history.  So, why is everyone up in arms about Critical Race Theory? 

Here's why:

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371540368714428416?lang=en

Republican strategists have seized on this as a culture war issue, and are attempting to make every attempt to discuss race and justice seem like an attempt to make white people feel guilty.

Yes, some activists might be trying to do make white people feel guilty, but that is decidedly not what critical race theory is about.

So what is a good age to start teaching these important lessons?


FWIW I have read a bunch of anti racist books-"White Fragility" and "How to be an anti racist" in particular stick out, and I have to say I have never read such a bunch of codswallop in my born days

I would be pretty upset if rubbish like this (what's in these 2 books) was being taught to my kids

The way you describe CRT is pretty accurate and is well intentioned, but my guess is that some teachers are going rogue and using it to further other agendas

Do "other agendas" include the Christopher Rufo-inspired, Tucker Carlson/Fox News-driven movement to hype and harness this issue as a political football?

Haven't read those books BTW (I think you asked that yesterday).

No idea, but I do see the word intersectional used a lot and IMHO that gives teachers a free reign to completely stray off topic and indoctrinate kids

Do you have any examples of "intersectionality" being used by teachers to "completely stray off topic and indoctrinate kids"?

Where are the six year olds being taught that white = bad?

Living in a fairly liberal city my kids should be ripe for this type of indoctrination, but I've yet to see anything even remotely like what the hysterical white grievance movement is alleging.

[Kickham csc]

Critical Race Theory, as an academic discipline, focuses on how racism endures in society regardless of whether people personally embrace racist attitudes.  As such, it is the opposite of making people feel guilty because of slavery. 

As an example of critical race theory in action take the question of why a lower percentage of black people own their own homes today in the US? 

This is, in large part, because of decisions made by banks, and municipalities about who would get loans and who could live where.  Certain districts on Long Island, for example, had written into their regulations, that blacks couldn't own homes there, and we're talking mid-twentieth century here.  That's changed of course, but what it meant was that white families have hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity that black families were never allowed to amass.  So black families, on average, have less wealth, because of institutionalized racist policies. 

Such policies have the effect that black families are at a disadvantage with respect to white families in terms of wealth.  Given how schools work in the US, that means that kids in poor areas (disproportionately black) attend schools with significantly less resources, and thus significantly worse outcomes.

All this happens whether or not white people have racist thoughts "in their hearts". 

This is all common sense to anyone with a modicum of common sense and knowledge of US history.  So, why is everyone up in arms about Critical Race Theory? 

Here's why:

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371540368714428416?lang=en

Republican strategists have seized on this as a culture war issue, and are attempting to make every attempt to discuss race and justice seem like an attempt to make white people feel guilty.

Yes, some activists might be trying to do make white people feel guilty, but that is decidedly not what critical race theory is about.

If CRT is to become a staple piece in the education program, should the democratic party / education officials need to do a better job in communicating with parents about CRT, objectives, and teaching style to shut this down as an issue. As I've said previously, I'm a left of center democrat, but I've no idea if and how CRT is incorporated into the education system.

For example;

What is an academic discipline?

Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program?

Is it ok to set different scoring scales for different ethnic groupings in standardized testing due to the american education system was set up to  enforce "white supremacy" (De Blasio NYC specialist high school program)

Should it be taught in a civics class or history class or should it have its own stand alone class?

Should it be taught along with other social constructs; eg Marxism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, colonialism CRT etc

How it's taught; is it ok to separate white and non white kids into separate classes to teach the subject,  are there guidelines in place to not assert white guilt onto young children

Why are the democrats not doing a better job of explaining CRT if it is so important to their program.

And until they do, parents have a 100% right to challenge the school boards until they get clarity what is going on.

[J70]

If CRT is to become a staple piece in the education program, should the democratic party / education officials need to do a better job in communicating with parents about CRT, objectives, and teaching style to shut this down as an issue. As I've said previously, I'm a left of center democrat, but I've no idea if and how CRT is incorporated into the education system.

For example;

What is an academic discipline?

Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program?

Is it ok to set different scoring scales for different ethnic groupings in standardized testing due to the american education system was set up to  enforce "white supremacy" (De Blasio NYC specialist high school program)

Should it be taught in a civics class or history class or should it have its own stand alone class?

Should it be taught along with other social constructs; eg Marxism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, colonialism CRT etc

How it's taught; is it ok to separate white and non white kids into separate classes to teach the subject,  are there guidelines in place to not assert white guilt onto young children

Why are the democrats not doing a better job of explaining CRT if it is so important to their program.

And until they do, parents have a 100% right to challenge the school boards until they get clarity what is going on.

I've never heard any Democrat claim CRT is important to their program.

I've never heard of it in NYC schools, where my kids and my nephews are. And I'm very hands-on with what my kids are doing in school and homework.

The only reason we're hearing about this is because Fox News found a guy who saw some diversity training he didn't approve of and decided it would be a very effective political football to rile up the masses. Six months from now we'll be back to cancel culture. Or transgender bathrooms. Or stopping the steal again.

Next up we're due for another War on Christmas.

[Kickham csc]

Here's the type of lunacy which we have to deal with in Massachusetts

Halloween "deemphasized" in Melrose Massachusetts in an effort to be "more inclusive"

I get it that Christmas and Columbus Day might not be entirely inclusive, but FFS after the year kids have had, let's take all the joy out of Halloween while we're at it.

Do these people just sit around and concoct solutions to problems which don't exist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/boston/2021/10/jimmy-kimmel-reacts-to-melrose-superintendents-decision-to-deemphasize-halloween-whos-feeling-marginalized-by-a-halloween-party.html%3foutputType=amp

(Kümmel joked that the superintendent's house will probably get egged. Now he's being accused of inciting violence against her)

To me, that's the other side of the coin from the CRT hysteria.

One side is scared shitless of leaving anyone out or offending anyone (at least their motives are honourable), the other is absolutely determined that the real, historical enslavement and oppression suffered by some groups of Americans be whitewashed over lest their kids have to grow up knowing that their country has treated those groups like shit and that that has had ongoing effects down to this day.

Thankfully, my kids get to learn about MLK and Rosa Parks and their noble struggle, while at the same time their very diverse public school allows them to wear their costumes in for a Halloween celebration.

Good point, well put.

the Democrats on the school board in loudon county Virginia weren't too worried about offending the father of a 14 year old girl who was raped in a transgender bathroom, when he went to a school board Meeting they had him arrested and covered up for the rapist two times. Sick f$cks

https://reason.com/2021/11/01/conservatives-wrongly-portrayed-the-loudoun-county-sexual-assault-as-a-transgender-bathroom-issue/

did they cover it up or not ? I made no issue about anything else

You pretty clearly implied that this issue was about transgender bathrooms and that issue's influence on the school board's decision making.

And got caught talking absolute shite yet again.

The story was in fact about the following:
i) The rape culture among young males - which the entirety of right-wing America simultaneously both indulges and denies. It denies there is such a culture among males in general, yet simultaneously claims there is such a culture among black males, in order to portray white males in general as virtuous because of their skin colour.

ii) The right-wing bullshit machine's constant efforts to completely demonise minorities it hates - in this case trans people. Trans people had nothing whatsoever to do with this bullshit "story".

There was a sexual assault by a male against a female.

Sid, one issue that I didn't like in this example was that this case was referenced in the letter that was sent to the USAG as an example of domestic terrorism at school board meetings. Merrick Garland based part of his decision to set up an FBI program to work with local authorities on that letter.

Terrible optics.

Also, was the boy trans gender? This seems to be an issue in that it was originally reported that he was, he wears a skirt to school etc, but once the rape came out the school board et al referred to him as a boy.  This has left the school board etc in a weakened positioned and open to attack. Needs some clarity

[Kickham csc]

If CRT is to become a staple piece in the education program, should the democratic party / education officials need to do a better job in communicating with parents about CRT, objectives, and teaching style to shut this down as an issue. As I've said previously, I'm a left of center democrat, but I've no idea if and how CRT is incorporated into the education system.

For example;

What is an academic discipline?

Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program?

Is it ok to set different scoring scales for different ethnic groupings in standardized testing due to the american education system was set up to  enforce "white supremacy" (De Blasio NYC specialist high school program)

Should it be taught in a civics class or history class or should it have its own stand alone class?

Should it be taught along with other social constructs; eg Marxism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, colonialism CRT etc

How it's taught; is it ok to separate white and non white kids into separate classes to teach the subject,  are there guidelines in place to not assert white guilt onto young children

Why are the democrats not doing a better job of explaining CRT if it is so important to their program.

And until they do, parents have a 100% right to challenge the school boards until they get clarity what is going on.

I've never heard any Democrat claim CRT is important to their program.

I've never heard of it in NYC schools, where my kids and my nephews are. And I'm very hands-on with what my kids are doing in school and homework.

The only reason we're hearing about this is because Fox News found a guy who saw some diversity training he didn't approve of and decided it would be a very effective political football to rile up the masses. Six months from now we'll be back to cancel culture. Or transgender bathrooms. Or stopping the steal again.

Next up we're due for another War on Christmas.

De Blasio was trying to base policy based on CRT. He basically came out and said that there were too many asians in the specialist schools and that acceptance into the schools should be representative the demographics of the city and not solely based on test scores.

In other areas you hear of CRT being taught in schools.

That's the reason for my question, Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program? Either way there needs to be clarity

[J70]

If CRT is to become a staple piece in the education program, should the democratic party / education officials need to do a better job in communicating with parents about CRT, objectives, and teaching style to shut this down as an issue. As I've said previously, I'm a left of center democrat, but I've no idea if and how CRT is incorporated into the education system.

For example;

What is an academic discipline?

Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program?

Is it ok to set different scoring scales for different ethnic groupings in standardized testing due to the american education system was set up to  enforce "white supremacy" (De Blasio NYC specialist high school program)

Should it be taught in a civics class or history class or should it have its own stand alone class?

Should it be taught along with other social constructs; eg Marxism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, colonialism CRT etc

How it's taught; is it ok to separate white and non white kids into separate classes to teach the subject,  are there guidelines in place to not assert white guilt onto young children

Why are the democrats not doing a better job of explaining CRT if it is so important to their program.

And until they do, parents have a 100% right to challenge the school boards until they get clarity what is going on.

I've never heard any Democrat claim CRT is important to their program.

I've never heard of it in NYC schools, where my kids and my nephews are. And I'm very hands-on with what my kids are doing in school and homework.

The only reason we're hearing about this is because Fox News found a guy who saw some diversity training he didn't approve of and decided it would be a very effective political football to rile up the masses. Six months from now we'll be back to cancel culture. Or transgender bathrooms. Or stopping the steal again.

Next up we're due for another War on Christmas.

De Blasio was trying to base policy based on CRT. He basically came out and said that there were too many asians in the specialist schools and that acceptance into the schools should be representative the demographics of the city and not solely based on test scores.

In other areas you hear of CRT being taught in schools.

That's the reason for my question, Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program? Either way there needs to be clarity

DeBlasio is a fool on many fronts. And part of the reason the city opted for a centrist like Eric Adams, who is going to continue the G&T programs and specialist schools. Obviously he will need to try to improve the ability of black and latino students to get into those schools.

But that's a separate issue to CRT.

I don't understand what you mean by within or as a subset of the academic program.

If you're asking whether students should be educated on the history of slavery and discrimination, and the present-day legacy of racism and discrimination, then IMO of course they should. I don't know how that should happen, but I sure as hell know that trying to downplay the role of slavery and discrimination in American history, as the conservative movement is bent on doing, is absolutely not how we should be proceeding.

Not sure about anyone else, but I was taught the "English bastards" version of Irish history growing up, completely absent of the context of wider European geopolitics which absolutely played a role in what they did. Such a slanted approach didn't do me or those around me any favours.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

For example;

What is an academic discipline?

I'm not sure if this was rhetorical, or a genuine question, but in case the latter: A field of study. For example, history, physics, sociology. 

Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program?

I don't understand the difference between the policy being within a program and being a subset of a program.

Is it ok to set different scoring scales for different ethnic groupings in standardized testing due to the american education system was set up to  enforce "white supremacy" (De Blasio NYC specialist high school program)

I don't think this approach is OK. I suspect it would fall foul of Supreme Court decisions against affirmative action policies.

Should it be taught in a civics class or history class or should it have its own stand alone class?
Should it be taught along with other social constructs; eg Marxism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, colonialism CRT etc

I would think that should be decided by school boards, or perhaps by state laws.

How it's taught; is it ok to separate white and non white kids into separate classes to teach the subject,  are there guidelines in place to not assert white guilt onto young children

I wouldn't suggest separating the kids, no. I haven't heard this suggested though.  If we're talking about critical race theory as the theorists themselves understand it, white guilt isn't part of the program.  If we can teach about capitalism/poverty without making rich kids feel guilty, it ought to be possible to teach about the historical roots of contemporary racial inequality without making white kids feel guilty.  Whatever guidelines are in place for the former could just carry over to the latter.

Why are the democrats not doing a better job of explaining CRT if it is so important to their program.

I'm not sure it is important to the Democrats' program.  Some Democrats no doubt support it.  Others wouldn't see it as a priority.

[Gmac]

Here's the type of lunacy which we have to deal with in Massachusetts

Halloween "deemphasized" in Melrose Massachusetts in an effort to be "more inclusive"

I get it that Christmas and Columbus Day might not be entirely inclusive, but FFS after the year kids have had, let's take all the joy out of Halloween while we're at it.

Do these people just sit around and concoct solutions to problems which don't exist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/boston/2021/10/jimmy-kimmel-reacts-to-melrose-superintendents-decision-to-deemphasize-halloween-whos-feeling-marginalized-by-a-halloween-party.html%3foutputType=amp

(Kümmel joked that the superintendent's house will probably get egged. Now he's being accused of inciting violence against her)

To me, that's the other side of the coin from the CRT hysteria.

One side is scared shitless of leaving anyone out or offending anyone (at least their motives are honourable), the other is absolutely determined that the real, historical enslavement and oppression suffered by some groups of Americans be whitewashed over lest their kids have to grow up knowing that their country has treated those groups like shit and that that has had ongoing effects down to this day.

Thankfully, my kids get to learn about MLK and Rosa Parks and their noble struggle, while at the same time their very diverse public school allows them to wear their costumes in for a Halloween celebration.

Good point, well put.

the Democrats on the school board in loudon county Virginia weren't too worried about offending the father of a 14 year old girl who was raped in a transgender bathroom, when he went to a school board Meeting they had him arrested and covered up for the rapist two times. Sick f$cks

https://reason.com/2021/11/01/conservatives-wrongly-portrayed-the-loudoun-county-sexual-assault-as-a-transgender-bathroom-issue/

did they cover it up or not ? I made no issue about anything else

You pretty clearly implied that this issue was about transgender bathrooms and that issue's influence on the school board's decision making.

And got caught talking absolute shite yet again.

believe what you want but  this issue and maccauliffe telling parents it's none of their business what goes on in public schools is why he lost , 2022 the Democrats will be obliterated .
Joe update: inflation through roof , wide open southern border, lack of products on shelves, crime through the roof , gas prices way up , falling asleep at  cop26, shitting his pants at Vatican other than that he's doing a great job .

[whitey]

Critical Race Theory, as an academic discipline, focuses on how racism endures in society regardless of whether people personally embrace racist attitudes.  As such, it is the opposite of making people feel guilty because of slavery. 

As an example of critical race theory in action take the question of why a lower percentage of black people own their own homes today in the US? 

This is, in large part, because of decisions made by banks, and municipalities about who would get loans and who could live where.  Certain districts on Long Island, for example, had written into their regulations, that blacks couldn't own homes there, and we're talking mid-twentieth century here.  That's changed of course, but what it meant was that white families have hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity that black families were never allowed to amass.  So black families, on average, have less wealth, because of institutionalized racist policies. 

Such policies have the effect that black families are at a disadvantage with respect to white families in terms of wealth.  Given how schools work in the US, that means that kids in poor areas (disproportionately black) attend schools with significantly less resources, and thus significantly worse outcomes.

All this happens whether or not white people have racist thoughts "in their hearts". 

This is all common sense to anyone with a modicum of common sense and knowledge of US history.  So, why is everyone up in arms about Critical Race Theory? 

Here's why:

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371540368714428416?lang=en

Republican strategists have seized on this as a culture war issue, and are attempting to make every attempt to discuss race and justice seem like an attempt to make white people feel guilty.

Yes, some activists might be trying to do make white people feel guilty, but that is decidedly not what critical race theory is about.

So what is a good age to start teaching these important lessons?


FWIW I have read a bunch of anti racist books-"White Fragility" and "How to be an anti racist" in particular stick out, and I have to say I have never read such a bunch of codswallop in my born days

I would be pretty upset if rubbish like this (what's in these 2 books) was being taught to my kids

The way you describe CRT is pretty accurate and is well intentioned, but my guess is that some teachers are going rogue and using it to further other agendas

Do "other agendas" include the Christopher Rufo-inspired, Tucker Carlson/Fox News-driven movement to hype and harness this issue as a political football?

Haven't read those books BTW (I think you asked that yesterday).

No idea, but I do see the word intersectional used a lot and IMHO that gives teachers a free reign to completely stray off topic and indoctrinate kids

Do you have any examples of "intersectionality" being used by teachers to "completely stray off topic and indoctrinate kids"?

Where are the six year olds being taught that white = bad?

Living in a fairly liberal city my kids should be ripe for this type of indoctrination, but I've yet to see anything even remotely like what the hysterical white grievance movement is alleging.

Well what I would regard as "indoctrination" you may not-you may view it as something else

In our local High School (which my kids don't attend) I've been told by other parents that the BLM/LBTGQ factions have merged to essentially become the thought and word police. If you don't go along with or agree with them....watch out. They have been empowered by certain teachers and school board members to essentially bully the rest of the students into submission

This isn't my town, but this is the kind of nonsense I'm referring to

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/news/2021/10/wellesley-public-schools-sued-over-racial-affinity-groups-biased-speech-policy.html%3foutputType=amp

[dec]

Critical Race Theory, as an academic discipline, focuses on how racism endures in society regardless of whether people personally embrace racist attitudes.  As such, it is the opposite of making people feel guilty because of slavery. 

As an example of critical race theory in action take the question of why a lower percentage of black people own their own homes today in the US? 

This is, in large part, because of decisions made by banks, and municipalities about who would get loans and who could live where.  Certain districts on Long Island, for example, had written into their regulations, that blacks couldn't own homes there, and we're talking mid-twentieth century here.  That's changed of course, but what it meant was that white families have hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity that black families were never allowed to amass.  So black families, on average, have less wealth, because of institutionalized racist policies. 

Such policies have the effect that black families are at a disadvantage with respect to white families in terms of wealth.  Given how schools work in the US, that means that kids in poor areas (disproportionately black) attend schools with significantly less resources, and thus significantly worse outcomes.

All this happens whether or not white people have racist thoughts "in their hearts". 

This is all common sense to anyone with a modicum of common sense and knowledge of US history.  So, why is everyone up in arms about Critical Race Theory? 

Here's why:

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371540368714428416?lang=en

Republican strategists have seized on this as a culture war issue, and are attempting to make every attempt to discuss race and justice seem like an attempt to make white people feel guilty.

Yes, some activists might be trying to do make white people feel guilty, but that is decidedly not what critical race theory is about.

So what is a good age to start teaching these important lessons?


FWIW I have read a bunch of anti racist books-"White Fragility" and "How to be an anti racist" in particular stick out, and I have to say I have never read such a bunch of codswallop in my born days

I would be pretty upset if rubbish like this (what's in these 2 books) was being taught to my kids

The way you describe CRT is pretty accurate and is well intentioned, but my guess is that some teachers are going rogue and using it to further other agendas

Do "other agendas" include the Christopher Rufo-inspired, Tucker Carlson/Fox News-driven movement to hype and harness this issue as a political football?

Haven't read those books BTW (I think you asked that yesterday).

No idea, but I do see the word intersectional used a lot and IMHO that gives teachers a free reign to completely stray off topic and indoctrinate kids

Do you have any examples of "intersectionality" being used by teachers to "completely stray off topic and indoctrinate kids"?

Where are the six year olds being taught that white = bad?

Living in a fairly liberal city my kids should be ripe for this type of indoctrination, but I've yet to see anything even remotely like what the hysterical white grievance movement is alleging.

Well what I would regard as "indoctrination" you may not-you may view it as something else

In our local High School (which my kids don't attend) I've been told by other parents that the BLM/LBTGQ factions have merged to essentially become the thought and word police. If you don't go along with or agree with them....watch out. They have been empowered by certain teachers and school board members to essentially bully the rest of the students into submission

This isn't my town, but this is the kind of nonsense I'm referring to

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/news/2021/10/wellesley-public-schools-sued-over-racial-affinity-groups-biased-speech-policy.html%3foutputType=amp

Which bit do you think is nonsense?

The affinity groups or the group suing the school district over the existence of the affinity groups.

[J70]

I don't see the problem with minority groups of kids getting together to discuss their particular group-based experiences. You can't ignore the context of history and the reality that race does play a role in society, often to the detriment of those people. Like it or not, there's generally no good reason why a whites-only group would need to exist in America.

On indoctrination, just about everything kids are learning at that age is indoctrination if you want to look at it that way. Its not like there's independent thought or research demanded of them. Your issue is that you don't like WHAT they're being indoctrinated with.

On the BLM stuff in that school, personally I think BLM is the morally right side. I've no tolerance for the All Lives Matter crap; its just more white grievance bullshit. But... I think the schools should leave any of that politically charged stuff like marching or displaying symbols at the door. Talk about it in debate class or whatever. Teach kids about tolerance and the value and dignity of everyone, regardless of their race or sexuality or gender identity. Teach them that bigotry and intolerance are repugnant. And leave it at that.

I predict you'll still get the loudmouths screaming at the school board meeting, but its a lot easier to stand your ground.

[whitey]

I don't see the problem with minority groups of kids getting together to discuss their particular group-based experiences. You can't ignore the context of history and the reality that race does play a role in society, often to the detriment of those people. Like it or not, there's generally no good reason why a whites-only group would need to exist in America.

On indoctrination, just about everything kids are learning at that age is indoctrination if you want to look at it that way. Its not like there's independent thought or research demanded of them. Your issue is that you don't like WHAT they're being indoctrinated with.

On the BLM stuff in that school, personally I think BLM is the morally right side. I've no tolerance for the All Lives Matter crap; its just more white grievance bullshit. But... I think the schools should leave any of that politically charged stuff like marching or displaying symbols at the door. Talk about it in debate class or whatever. Teach kids about tolerance and the value and dignity of everyone, regardless of their race or sexuality or gender identity. Teach them that bigotry and intolerance are repugnant. And leave it at that.

I predict you'll still get the loudmouths screaming at the school board meeting, but its a lot easier to stand your ground.

Neither do I have a problem with " minority groups of kids getting together to discuss their particular group-based experiences"

I have a problem with school  allowing these groups to bully people who don't agree with them because they're afraid to stand up to them

I have a friend who's a cop and a bunch of the LBTGQ students at his daughters school jumped on the BLM/Defund bandwagon. When she responded by putting up a Blue Lives Matter post on her Instagram page, all hell broke loose and she was accused of bullying by not only the students but also by their parents.

A lesbian teacher in the school had actually attended several BLM protests with the LBTGQ students and their parents and was driving a lot of this

[J70]

I don't see the problem with minority groups of kids getting together to discuss their particular group-based experiences. You can't ignore the context of history and the reality that race does play a role in society, often to the detriment of those people. Like it or not, there's generally no good reason why a whites-only group would need to exist in America.

On indoctrination, just about everything kids are learning at that age is indoctrination if you want to look at it that way. Its not like there's independent thought or research demanded of them. Your issue is that you don't like WHAT they're being indoctrinated with.

On the BLM stuff in that school, personally I think BLM is the morally right side. I've no tolerance for the All Lives Matter crap; its just more white grievance bullshit. But... I think the schools should leave any of that politically charged stuff like marching or displaying symbols at the door. Talk about it in debate class or whatever. Teach kids about tolerance and the value and dignity of everyone, regardless of their race or sexuality or gender identity. Teach them that bigotry and intolerance are repugnant. And leave it at that.

I predict you'll still get the loudmouths screaming at the school board meeting, but its a lot easier to stand your ground.

Neither do I have a problem with " minority groups of kids getting together to discuss their particular group-based experiences"

I have a problem with school  allowing these groups to bully people who don't agree with them because they're afraid to stand up to them

I have a friend who's a cop and a bunch of the LBTGQ students at his daughters school jumped on the BLM/Defund bandwagon. When she responded by putting up a Blue Lives Matter post on her Instagram page, all hell broke loose and she was accused of bullying by not only the students but also by their parents.

A lesbian teacher in the school had actually attended several BLM protests with the LBTGQ students and their parents and was driving a lot of this

Ok. I can't speak to your friend's experience. There are arseholes on the side of every issue, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the issue itself. Adults need to show children the correct way to behave and interact.

Its not going to get better though. Trump and his movement, which is based completely on hyper-aggressive disrespect and demonization of "the other", is probably going to be foisted on the country again in a couple of years if the Dems don't get their shit together.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Joe update: inflation through roof , wide open southern border, lack of products on shelves, crime through the roof , gas prices way up , falling asleep at  cop26, shitting his pants at Vatican other than that he's doing a great job .

the rantings of a simpleton

[whitey]

Eh.....one of the Democrats "unaccompanied minors" was actually 24 years old, and was released with a "notice to appear".  Guess what.....he just murdered someone!