The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

[laoislad]

Never a penalty despite what the two lads on match of the day are saying. They are wrong. It was a dive. Lovren had the situation under control. The referee was fooled by the dive.

I disagree. I think it was a clear penalty.  I would have been annoyed if it wasn't given to Liverpool if the situation was reversed.

[Armamike]

It was enough for a penalty. Sometimes they're not given but the ref was entitled to give that. There's a bad mistake in Lovren in too many games.  His decision making isn't good enough.  Klopp's meltdown was bad.  He made some poor calls before,during and after the match.  He keeps picking the likes of Lovren, Moreno etc who keep letting him down.  Everton will have smiles on their faces for weeks after this one.  Dick Turpin wouldn't have a look in.

[Maroon Manc]

Never a pen, an appalling decision and I'm amazed so many ex players think it was a pen. It doesn't say in the rules you can't touch an opponent, Lovren had his hands on him but didn't push or shove him.

[Minder]

Never a pen, an appalling decision and I'm amazed so many ex players think it was a pen. It doesn't say in the rules you can't touch an opponent, Lovren had his hands on him but didn't push or shove him.

Yeah it's like when you hear people saying "there was contact", contact doesent mean you fall over or throw yourself to the ground

[Maroon Manc]

Never a pen, an appalling decision and I'm amazed so many ex players think it was a pen. It doesn't say in the rules you can't touch an opponent, Lovren had his hands on him but didn't push or shove him.

Yeah it's like when you hear people saying "there was contact", contact doesent mean you fall over or throw yourself to the ground

Its infuriating, since when did contact enter the rules of the game.

[Esmarelda]

The referee and linesman were about 40-50 metres away. They see hands being raised,  placed on a blue shirt and the Everton player hitting the ground. They weren't close enough to even make a guess as to the strength of the push. What are they supposed to do? If I was the ref I'd ask myself "why is that defender putting his hands on the Everton player?" and I'd feel entitled to give the penalty.

[Boycey]

I'm in the not a penalty camp too. It's funny a defender can get a forward in a wrestling hold at a corner and throw him to the ground and not concede a penalty but in open play what Lovren did is considered a penalty..

[AZOffaly]

The referee and linesman were about 40-50 metres away. They see hands being raised,  placed on a blue shirt and the Everton player hitting the ground. They weren't close enough to even make a guess as to the strength of the push. What are they supposed to do? If I was the ref I'd ask myself "why is that defender putting his hands on the Everton player?" and I'd feel entitled to give the penalty.

Well I have a problem with that. You can't give what you guess. You have to know. They must have been sure in their own minds that it was a push, otherwise you can't give it.

[Esmarelda]

The referee and linesman were about 40-50 metres away. They see hands being raised,  placed on a blue shirt and the Everton player hitting the ground. They weren't close enough to even make a guess as to the strength of the push. What are they supposed to do? If I was the ref I'd ask myself "why is that defender putting his hands on the Everton player?" and I'd feel entitled to give the penalty.

Well I have a problem with that. You can't give what you guess. You have to know. They must have been sure in their own minds that it was a push, otherwise you can't give it.

But how can you be sure? All he's sure of is that hands were placed on the Everton player. Even if he was closer he'd still be guessing. Didn't Henderson do something similar against Brighton for their penalty last week. The ref sees the hands, sees the opposition player move as if he was pushed and has to make a call. If they weren't given then every defender could push in every instance. Don't put your hands on the back of a player. Why would you ever do that unless you wanted to push him?

[AZOffaly]

Well to push someone, you have to extend your arms. Try and push something without extending your arms? If he saw that, then he gives a penalty. If he didn't then he's just guessing.

[Esmarelda]

Well to push someone, you have to extend your arms. Try and push something without extending your arms? If he saw that, then he gives a penalty. If he didn't then he's just guessing.

How far do you have to extend your arms?

Walk up behind someone with the backs of  your hands on  your chest, you barely have to bend your arms to make a pushing movement.

You're right, he's guessing. In my opinion, Lovren gave him enough reason to make the call. And, as it happens, I think it was a correct call.

[AZOffaly]

That's grand. You're entitled to your opinion. Like you I think Lovren was daft to even make contact. But I don't think it was a push. I think Henderson against Brighton was a push. Henderson had is hand on the Brighton lads back and extended his arm. I don't think Lovren ever extended his arm when he was in contact with the Everton lad, so I can't see how it was a push. It certainly wasn't a push as indicated by the referee. If Lovren did what the ref said, then it would have been a stone wall penalty.

But these things happen. Liverpool should have been further ahead, and in soccer you are always one mistake away from a goal being conceded. If it was 3-0 at the time, it wouldn't have mattered.

[J70]

The referee and linesman were about 40-50 metres away. They see hands being raised,  placed on a blue shirt and the Everton player hitting the ground. They weren't close enough to even make a guess as to the strength of the push. What are they supposed to do? If I was the ref I'd ask myself "why is that defender putting his hands on the Everton player?" and I'd feel entitled to give the penalty.

Well I have a problem with that. You can't give what you guess. You have to know. They must have been sure in their own minds that it was a push, otherwise you can't give it.

He obviously was sure. "Sure" and "wrong" are not mutually exclusive. 

It looked legit to me from behind, the angle the ref had. He only gets one look, in real time.

Slowed down and from other angles, the player looked like he was waiting for the slightest of contact and went down. Lovren, unfortunately, stupidly indulged him.

Herrera tried to buy a penalty against City and got rightfully booked. Chelsea scored a goal last week off a much more blatant push by Morata, but it wasn't spotted. Short of video reviewing all of these incidents, there's nothing anyone can do.

I would expect Klopp to be telling people to keep their f**king hands off opposition backs in the area now. That's two weeks in a row stupid penalties were given away.

[AZOffaly]

The referee and linesman were about 40-50 metres away. They see hands being raised,  placed on a blue shirt and the Everton player hitting the ground. They weren't close enough to even make a guess as to the strength of the push. What are they supposed to do? If I was the ref I'd ask myself "why is that defender putting his hands on the Everton player?" and I'd feel entitled to give the penalty.

Well I have a problem with that. You can't give what you guess. You have to know. They must have been sure in their own minds that it was a push, otherwise you can't give it.

He obviously was sure. "Sure" and "wrong" are not mutually exclusive. 

It looked legit to me from behind, the angle the ref had. He only gets one look, in real time.

Slowed down and from other angles, the player looked like he was waiting for the slightest of contact and went down. Lovren, unfortunately, stupidly indulged him.

Herrera tried to buy a penalty against City and got rightfully booked. Chelsea scored a goal last week off a much more blatant push by Morata, but it wasn't spotted. Short of video reviewing all of these incidents, there's nothing anyone can do.

I would expect Klopp to be telling people to keep their f**king hands off opposition backs in the area now. That's two weeks in a row stupid penalties were given away.

Absolutely. I'm not saying he can't give a wrong decision, but he has to be sure at the time it's right. That's just a mistake. What a ref can't do is guess what he saw. If he was sure it was a push, then it's a peno all day long. I was saying I had a problem with the ref guessing, which is what Esmerelda said. A guess, knowing it's a guess, is not acceptable.

[angermanagement]

Porto in the CL. Not a bad draw.