Man Utd Thread:

[Bensars]

Look on the brightside R4L, sam allerdyce said last week at the press conference that he would start experimenting with his team until the end of the season.

You'll be happy again at the weekend.

[ross4life]

Why didn't MU put another player on the post since they knew Rafael had been sent off??

You cannot put 2 players on posts when you are playing 10 v. 11. Carrick should have been closer to Robben but I can understand why he was where he was.

Robben was unmarked...Ribery was taking the corner, and Bayern had 5 players in the box...Utd
had 9 outfield players.  One on each post leaves 7 players to mark 5 (or 6 if you count Robben.) If Carrick wasn't marking Robben he should he have been on the post??

Makes sense to me anyway A Quinn Martin...and the fact that Robben was left unmarked anyway regardless and scored at a unmanned goalpost would also prove you to be correct IMHO,I can't understand any team not putting players on either posts for a corner or free kick from the corner areas of the pitch.

so do you agree with liverpools zonal marking then?

[ross4life]

Look on the brightside R4L, sam allerdyce said last week at the press conference that he would start experimenting with his team until the end of the season.

You'll be happy again at the weekend.

United record after European games this year is shocking poor & Away to Blackburn is not much better

at best united will get a Draw & i already said it's Chelsea title after that defeat last weekend

[Bensars]

Big Sam always does Fergie a favour though.  I'd be shocked if United dont get three points, especially now as they need them

[EC Unique]

Big Sam always does Fergie a favour though.  I'd be shocked if United dont get three points, especially now as they need them

Hope you are right.

[ross4life]

Big Sam always does Fergie a favour though.  I'd be shocked if United dont get three points, especially now as they need them

Big Sam has managed teams that has won in old Trafford "i should know i was at the games"  even if they do pull off a win united will slip up away to Sunderland & Man City anyways

[magpie seanie]

Is it more improtant to mark a post or a player? Most people would say the player as last night proved. The reason team can put two players on the posts is that usually the attacking team leaves an extra man back. This together with the corner taker makes 2 spare men for the posts. If you are down to 10 men you do not have two spare men for the posts.

So in short the marking was the problem, not the absence of a man on the post. Carrick should have been closer to Robben. Bayern deserve a bit of credit too because the corner routine was well designed and they held men outside the box to mess up the marking (United players would have been in the box anticipating runs by them) and give the shot more chance of getting through.

Most people I've spoken to today (including supporters of Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal) reckon Rafael was going to get a talking to and no more until the Bayern players surrounded the ref. I forgot though - its only when United surround the ref that its a disgrace. For those who don't think it was a harsh sending off - did no other player on the pitch commit two fouls of equal or worse magnitude? There were only 4 yellow cards in the game and Rafael got two of them. A bit of a joke.

[AZOffaly]

Who are you quoting ross4life?


I thought United were the better team for 60 minutes out of 180. They were the better team in Munich until about 20 minutes in, and then they were second fiddle for the rest of that game.

I knew United could score enough at Old Trafford, but I also knew Munich would be more of a threat themselves. I didn't see United imploding though. At 3-0 up, that should be game over. But 40 minutes in, and United were either on the back foot, or sitting back themselves. I think the latter initially, and then when Bayern got the goal it became the former.

Rafael's sending off was crucial, but I still think at that stage that Bayern were gaining the upper hand. I agree with Ray Houghton (!) that if united don't concede that Olic goal, and go in up 3-0 at half time, the tie is over.

Rafael's sending off was symptomatic of United's general malaise at that stage I felt.

Dunphy and co afterwards were their usual self when discussing clubs like Liverpool or Man United. They use highly emotive language because they know there's hundreds of thousands of fans of those teams in Ireland.

Their central point gets lost in the hyperbole, but it does remain a truism. Both United and Liverpool are hamstrung by financial issues in what should be profitable businesses, and it's going to leave both of them fighting just to stay competitive.

United's saving grace is that they are starting from a better place that Liverpool in terms of current ability, current manager and current stadium. But their ability is waning. The manager can't last for many more years and the stadium money is paying the Glaziers debt.

it's a shitty situation, and once again Liverpool and United have more in common than anything that differentiates them.

For my money Arsenal are the club best placed to kick on. Wenger might be sticking around waiting for United and Chelsea to blow up. If they do, Arsenal may well be the dominant team for a few years.

[AZOffaly]

Is it more improtant to mark a post or a player? Most people would say the player as last night proved. The reason team can put two players on the posts is that usually the attacking team leaves an extra man back. This together with the corner taker makes 2 spare men for the posts. If you are down to 10 men you do not have two spare men for the posts.

So in short the marking was the problem, not the absence of a man on the post. Carrick should have been closer to Robben. Bayern deserve a bit of credit too because the corner routine was well designed and they held men outside the box to mess up the marking (United players would have been in the box anticipating runs by them) and give the shot more chance of getting through.

Most people I've spoken to today (including supporters of Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal) reckon Rafael was going to get a talking to and no more until the Bayern players surrounded the ref. I forgot though - its only when United surround the ref that its a disgrace. For those who don't think it was a harsh sending off - did no other player on the pitch commit two fouls of equal or worse magnitude? There were only 4 yellow cards in the game and Rafael got two of them. A bit of a joke.

Seanie, that's just wrong. Rafael pulled back a lad that was running towards goal and had left him behind (for once!). That's a yellow card all day and all night.

[magpie seanie]

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. It was barely a foul. Ribery tried to hold him off (by raising his right elbow and leaning towards Rafael) until he remembered who was at him and stopped running.

Should there have been other bookings in the game so or were those 4 the only ones? If he reffed to those standards it would have ended up 8 v. 8

[Minder]

Can anyone explain why Ross4life has started to quote himself in his posts?

[bingobus]

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. It was barely a foul. Ribery tried to hold him off (by raising his right elbow and leaning towards Rafael) until he remembered who was at him and stopped running.

Should there have been other bookings in the game so or were those 4 the only ones? If he reffed to those standards it would have ended up 8 v. 8

I don't post here but have to in this instance. A few backs at OT, many on here where calling for Masch to be sent off for a foul V united. His pull or tug was very similar to Rafaels last night. Ribery raised his elbow and leaned into Rafeal after the foul had been comitted.

Was Maschs a foul and yellow/red card?

[ross4life]

Who are you quoting ross4life?

i have lost count of the amount of people i have Quoted here?

so which Quote??

[The Real Laoislad]

Who are you quoting ross4life?

i have lost count of the amount of people i have Quoted here?

so which Quote??

[The Real Laoislad]

Big Sam has managed teams that has won in old Trafford "i should know i was at the games"  even if they do pull off a win united will slip up away to Sunderland & Man City anyways