2008 Ulster Club Championships

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Onion Bag

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corn02

Why should Conway be punished?

Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.

Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?

Hardy

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Yes. It would be a significant blow against this abomination in the game. Its prevalence in the game is probably mainly due to what lads see on television. Therefore, it's fitting that television should be employed in its eradication.

amigo

Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?

Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.

Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?

I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!

Hardy

See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.

SidelineKick

Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?

Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.

Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?

I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!

When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now.  Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off.  Did they go down clutching their faces?

I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras.  Conway should be punished yes.  If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it?  If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now.  Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.

There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked.  Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.
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corn02

Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.

I wouldn't say that, but I don't see why one man should be singled out for the fact that tv cameras were there.

saffron sam2

Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.

I blame David Beggy.

Mick Lyons didn't help either when he got the slap from Colm O'Neill.
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amigo

Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?

Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.

Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?

I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!

When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now.  Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off.  Did they go down clutching their faces?

I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras.  Conway should be punished yes.  If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it?  If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now.  Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.

There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked.  Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.

Both incidents occurred in the first half. Tony Kernan went down holding his throat and got Wilkinson his second yellow and sent off!! Steven Kernan lay down after an altercation with Kevin McGuckin and got him booked!! Both players were feigning injury in an attempt to get their opponent the line. Unfortunately this is the world we live in guy's. There are no angels when winning is at stake!!

Onion Bag

Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?

Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.

Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?

I agree Corn,

It is something that we are used to seeing on the tv on a sat eveing on the premiership, but unforunately it does happen and to my knowledge i dont think there is a rule against it, only it is bad sportsmanship
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full back

Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?

Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.

Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?

I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!

When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now.  Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off.  Did they go down clutching their faces?

I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras.  Conway should be punished yes.  If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it?  If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now.  Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.

There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked.  Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.

Both incidents occurred in the first half. Tony Kernan went down holding his throat and got Wilkinson his second yellow and sent off!! Steven Kernan lay down after an altercation with Kevin McGuckin and got him booked!! Both players were feigning injury in an attempt to get their opponent the line. Unfortunately this is the world we live in guy's. There are no angels when winning is at stake!!

Was there any contact when they went down?
You must have been at the game & watching it very closely because the cameras didnt show the incidents

Hardy

Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.

I blame David Beggy.

Mick Lyons didn't help either when he got the slap from Colm O'Neill.

What? You surely can't be using the Lyons/O'Neill incident as an example of feigning injury, given that it's most frequently adduced as an example of the opposite - how to react to a real strike, never mind an imaginary one. In case you don't recall, Lyons just rubbed his jaw and walked away. As far as I recall, he also intervened with the ref to ask him not to send O'Neill off. Disgraceful behaviour all right.

Wait a minute, you've just wound me up - right?


Hardy

Quote from: Onion Bag on December 04, 2008, 10:57:52 AMi dont think there is a rule against it, only it is bad sportsmanship

There is a rule against it. Which is why I can't understand why it's not being used and nobody is doing anything to stamp this stuff out.

amigo

Quote from: full back on December 04, 2008, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?

Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.

Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?

I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!

When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now.  Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off.  Did they go down clutching their faces?

I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras.  Conway should be punished yes.  If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it?  If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now.  Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.

There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked.  Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.

Both incidents occurred in the first half. Tony Kernan went down holding his throat and got Wilkinson his second yellow and sent off!! Steven Kernan lay down after an altercation with Kevin McGuckin and got him booked!! Both players were feigning injury in an attempt to get their opponent the line. Unfortunately this is the world we live in guy's. There are no angels when winning is at stake!!

Was there any contact when they went down?
You must have been at the game & watching it very closely because the cameras didnt show the incidents

I WAS !!

saffron sam2

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Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.

I blame David Beggy.

Mick Lyons didn't help either when he got the slap from Colm O'Neill.

What? You surely can't be using the Lyons/O'Neill incident as an example of feigning injury, given that it's most frequently adduced as an example of the opposite - how to react to a real strike, never mind an imaginary one. In case you don't recall, Lyons just rubbed his jaw and walked away. As far as I recall, he also intervened with the ref to ask him not to send O'Neill off. Disgraceful behaviour all right.

Wait a minute, you've just wound me up - right?



I hope I didn't, no. Your recall of Lyons and O'Neill is different than mine. Fire up the video there so we can have a look at it. Failing that I will think of other examples from the Royals.

My point was that behaviour such as Conway's isn't gradually gaining acceptance as you put it. Rather it has been an accepted part of Gaelic football since Paddy joined the army. As long, of course, as it's a player from your team seeking to gain advantage. Everyone else who does it is a cheating ****.
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