Things that make you go What the F**k?

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Go for the tin hats, stop the tracking!

The framing of it as a "Britcard" won't help sell the idea to Scottish or Irish Nationalists, or Welsh if there is any..

True, but I doubt that though entered the conversation! Alot more votes in Brexity England.

Doubt that'll be a vote winner with the Brexit brigade, basically an open goal for Farage. Looking worryingly like a Reform government the next time

Reform government should finally push the others here into pro UI

[Munchie]

Embrace it, for the majority what matters, family and health, why stress for things out of your control.

When did you  last embrace anything dreamt up by  the British government?

Perhaps you'd like to  embrace their legacy act  while you're at  it?

Sweet Mother of God. You were born, someone within 2 weeks registered your birth, you were then registered on a database for Health Care, you got a national insurance number where you were 16 and placed on another database, you passed exams and were put on another database, got a driving licence onto another database, started paying tax more information for the government, a passport there you go again, the list goes on, the premise however misguided you believe it to be is to cut down on folk working when they aren't entitled to. Explain how it will impact you having an extra piece of ID?

Maybe you should ask  the Chinese  how their social credit system impacts them. That's clearly  where this is heading. 

If I start  a job , I'll bring in my NI Card,  take a flight I'll show a passport. If I want  to vote, I use  a  drivers license/passport.  That entities me to work legally ,  fly  to another country and vote . That's enough. Why would I need  an ID card in my pocket everywhere I go, when  I can live without  showing this sort of ID  , bar 2 or 3 times a year?

NI numbers have been  around for decades , yet there's  still people working illegally. So  having a brit card  won't stop that.

PS. You still didn't. answer my question

       That's your line of attack, I repeat Sweet Mother of God! As for the other tin hat stuff, as another poster has pointed out NI numbers were just a plastic card now just a number on a letter as for the Chinese I don't have their number to give them a bell, they also don't have a democracy so not sure of your point.

[AustinPowers]

Embrace it, for the majority what matters, family and health, why stress for things out of your control.

When did you  last embrace anything dreamt up by  the British government?

Perhaps you'd like to  embrace their legacy act  while you're at  it?

Sweet Mother of God. You were born, someone within 2 weeks registered your birth, you were then registered on a database for Health Care, you got a national insurance number where you were 16 and placed on another database, you passed exams and were put on another database, got a driving licence onto another database, started paying tax more information for the government, a passport there you go again, the list goes on, the premise however misguided you believe it to be is to cut down on folk working when they aren't entitled to. Explain how it will impact you having an extra piece of ID?

Maybe you should ask  the Chinese  how their social credit system impacts them. That's clearly  where this is heading. 

If I start  a job , I'll bring in my NI Card,  take a flight I'll show a passport. If I want  to vote, I use  a  drivers license/passport.  That entities me to work legally ,  fly  to another country and vote . That's enough. Why would I need  an ID card in my pocket everywhere I go, when  I can live without  showing this sort of ID  , bar 2 or 3 times a year?

NI numbers have been  around for decades , yet there's  still people working illegally. So  having a brit card  won't stop that.

PS. You still didn't. answer my question

       That's your line of attack, I repeat Sweet Mother of God! As for the other tin hat stuff, as another poster has pointed out NI numbers were just a plastic card now just a number on a letter as for the Chinese I don't have their number to give them a bell, they also don't have a democracy so not sure of your point.

What "Other tin hat stuff" would  that be?

Illegal immigrants could  still work cash in hand (while  we still have cash). No ID or  NI number needed there.  No reason why that won't continue , ID card  or not. If there's really a  problem with illegal workers , then it's  the employers  you need to  look at.

[AustinPowers]

Embrace it, for the majority what matters, family and health, why stress for things out of your control.

When did you  last embrace anything dreamt up by  the British government?

Perhaps you'd like to  embrace their legacy act  while you're at  it?

You support a British team, you speak and write in English, you live unfortunately for us, in a uk state and get paid in Sterling. You've embraced that ok, You also have already a fully fledged digital footprint whether you like it or not

You are not going to fix the ills or problems of today, you have one vote, that's your lot.

You also have one life with a family that are, or should be more important that the shit going around, that you have literally no control of, so embrace the small time we have on this planet, it's ok to have a moan about life and the injustices, but unless you're a billionaire or a world leader you don't count other than that one vote you have.

I follow a PL team. The rest  was forced on  us.

I  don't know  about you, but  I speak Hiberno-English.

[Munchie]

Your country of birth, your sex at birth, your environment at birth means a lot is forced onto everyone, choosing to follow an English team is a conscious decision. 

[Rossfan]

If this Britcard is applied to the 6 Cos...  will all of ye who choose Irish citizenship be unable to work (other than cash in hand)?

[armaghniac]

Illegal immigrants could  still work cash in hand (while  we still have cash). No ID or  NI number needed there.  No reason why that won't continue , ID card  or not. If there's really a  problem with illegal workers , then it's  the employers  you need to  look at.

No, but it would make it a bit easier to clamp down on dodgy employers, which would pay for itself.

[Armagh18]

Think Frankie Boyle summed it up well- will cost billions to roll out, will be done wrong anyway and likely result in huge data breaches. And good luck trying to get any self respecting Nationalist to sign up to prove their British identity. 

[Armagh18]

It is self evident that Keir Starmer's rush to embrace digital ID is to be thought to be doing something about out of control immigration. However, if he was serious about addressing that issue he'd be taking much stronger direct action to stop the boats.

I have serious concerns about centralised control of personal data and its misuse. I will happily join in the national battle to protect individual privacy and details.

ID cards are a national issue which if they were to exist must apply across the whole United Kingdom. There should be no question of again caving in to Sinn Féin's anti- British agenda to exempt Northern Ireland from a national British ID scheme, if one is imposed. There would be serious constitutional issues in such exemption of NI, with nationalism again emboldened to proclaim all-island alignment.

Jim managing to blame the Shinners already..

[RedHand88]

It is self evident that Keir Starmer's rush to embrace digital ID is to be thought to be doing something about out of control immigration. However, if he was serious about addressing that issue he'd be taking much stronger direct action to stop the boats.

I have serious concerns about centralised control of personal data and its misuse. I will happily join in the national battle to protect individual privacy and details.

ID cards are a national issue which if they were to exist must apply across the whole United Kingdom. There should be no question of again caving in to Sinn Féin's anti- British agenda to exempt Northern Ireland from a national British ID scheme, if one is imposed. There would be serious constitutional issues in such exemption of NI, with nationalism again emboldened to proclaim all-island alignment.

Jim managing to blame the Shinners already..

So to sum up, Jim is against them, but doesn't want Sinn Fein to get their way despite them also being against them.

[Armagh18]

It is self evident that Keir Starmer's rush to embrace digital ID is to be thought to be doing something about out of control immigration. However, if he was serious about addressing that issue he'd be taking much stronger direct action to stop the boats.

I have serious concerns about centralised control of personal data and its misuse. I will happily join in the national battle to protect individual privacy and details.

ID cards are a national issue which if they were to exist must apply across the whole United Kingdom. There should be no question of again caving in to Sinn Féin's anti- British agenda to exempt Northern Ireland from a national British ID scheme, if one is imposed. There would be serious constitutional issues in such exemption of NI, with nationalism again emboldened to proclaim all-island alignment.

Jim managing to blame the Shinners already..

So to sum up, Jim is against them, but doesn't want Sinn Fein to get their way despite them also being against them.

If in doubt blame the immigrants and the taigs

[Captain Obvious]

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[Smokin Joe]

Yes you have a passport, and a drivers licence and an NI number, but you don't need to show an ID card to get into a concert or a sports stadium or on a train.
If the Digital ID system comes into being there is a strong chance, IMO, that you will need to scan your Digital ID card in order to enter places such as these or to avail of services.

If that does happen imagine what could be done with that in a politicized system?  Kneecap go to enter a sports stadium or get on a train and the machine flashes red so they care not allowed through.  That is where this may be headed.  Whether it goes there or not it is clear how having a Digital ID that must be carried with you and can be checked by the establishment, increase the likliehood of dissenters / those who disagree with the establishment of being refused services.
We'll likely find that free speech will come with a reduction in privileges.

[DaleCooper]

Tldr do you want Jeffrey Epstein having all of your personal information, pics of your kids etc

If people want that then good luck to them.

Larry Ellison , the billionaire taking over tiktok to tamp down on an Anti Israel content is a key player

https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/inside-the-tony-blair-institute-larry-ellison-peter-kyle-starmer

[AustinPowers]

Yes you have a passport, and a drivers licence and an NI number, but you don't need to show an ID card to get into a concert or a sports stadium or on a train.
If the Digital ID system comes into being there is a strong chance, IMO, that you will need to scan your Digital ID card in order to enter places such as these or to avail of services.

If that does happen imagine what could be done with that in a politicized system?  Kneecap go to enter a sports stadium or get on a train and the machine flashes red so they care not allowed through.  That is where this may be headed.  Whether it goes there or not it is clear how having a Digital ID that must be carried with you and can be checked by the establishment, increase the likliehood of dissenters / those who disagree with the establishment of being refused services.
We'll likely find that free speech will come with a reduction in privileges.

The COVID passport was  obviously a  trial run for  this. No jab, no entry and  all that.

No doubt it will become a tool to  deny  any freedoms to folk who question  anything, or don't toe the line. As you say, Kneecap and Gaza, for instance. Immigration/Palestine  protests, teachers/doctors striking.