Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Rossfan]

The doom and gloom lads beginning to crawl back out!!

[trileacman]

From what I've seen so far it's Donegal who've conquered the new rules format best. All except for the kickout rules. The way they push all 12 attackers deep into the defenders 45 seems to be the way to open up opportunities out the field.

Whilst the old 15 back was very ugly the way teams can't double up now means attacking strategy seems to rest more and more on endless recycling until you manufacture a size mismatch and push/run past him to score a point. Would have preferred if teams were incentivised more to throw caution to the wind and attack rather than looking to "manufacture" scores.

[AustinPowers]

2 days in a row you could have left with 15 mins to go but what a great sport we now have.
Last years semi finals and final were much better sporting contests.
Now Kerry and Donegal were excellent but these one sided contests are poor to watch.

People really confuse high scoring with high quality. It's just field basketball not

I agree. The constant  back and forth hand passes around the arc  is as plentiful, if not more,  as  last year. And as boring to watch as it ever was.

Only difference is  if you  handpass enough times , you might  create a space for a score.  There's a little bit more room now to do that with 6 players up , but the game  is  as ponderous  as it ever was, with the odd moment of  magic from Clifford, Conaty, Con O'C or whoever.

[David McKeown]

I was talking about the incident right at the end where there was an advantage awarded out the field and play continued Tyrone had a goal scoring chance but it was deflected up over the bar.  My understanding was that scoring the point ends the advantage and the point stood.  There was a similar incident in a Cork hurling match last year.

If the point doesn't end the advantage who determines which outcome is chosen?  Is it the referee, are the fouled team given a choice?

McQuillan was wrong on this.  The point was the advantage, it shouldn't have been brought back for the 2 pointed free attempt.  I guess the game scoreline is what influenced his decision.

That's what I thought but I've lost all track of the rules at this stage.

[David McKeown]

The doom and gloom lads beginning to crawl back out!!

Just so I'm clear good games earlier in the year were a result of the new rules?

Poor games in the semi finals nothing to do with the new rules?

That's obviously tongue in cheek and not aimed specifically at anyone but it is the way I've seen some people get on.

Overall I've warmed a lot on the rules. I particularly like the solo and go as it's now been refereed and played. That said I still think there's a lot of problems with them. The introduction of the two pointer has devalued a goal and even a one pointer. The fact that two pointers can be scored from accidental fouls or 3v3 breaches etc devalues them further.

I think the rules also work better for the sport as a tv sport rather than an in person sport were decisions can be baffling and seem very unfair at times.

All that said I think the majority are here to stay and I'm not going to be tearing up my season ticket or anything over that. I just still remain of the view that the changes made went too far to correct supposed failings that weren't really there.

I don't think the quality of football has improved this year to the extent the rules had envisioned.

[DuffleKing]

No time limit but we can't keep the hand up forever so within 5 seconds the ref will make a decision based on the play..

I've yet to see an advantage given for anything longer bar the player making a mark from ball kicked into the 21 from outside the 45

Has anybody seen this applied for over 10 seconds?

Vast majority this season are beyond 10s

[DuffleKing]

Six knock out games played in the all Ireland series...

Tyrone 0-23 Dublin 0-16
Donegal 1-26 Monaghan 1-20
Meath 2-16 Galway 2-15
Kerry 0-32 Armagh 1-21
Kerry 1-20 Tyrone 0-17
Donegal 3-26 Meath 0-15

[Rossfan]

There's 10.
The Prelim Qtr Finals too.

[thebigfullforward]

The doom and gloom lads beginning to crawl back out!!

Just so I'm clear good games earlier in the year were a result of the new rules?

Poor games in the semi finals nothing to do with the new rules?

That's obviously tongue in cheek and not aimed specifically at anyone but it is the way I've seen some people get on.

Overall I've warmed a lot on the rules. I particularly like the solo and go as it's now been refereed and played. That said I still think there's a lot of problems with them. The introduction of the two pointer has devalued a goal and even a one pointer. The fact that two pointers can be scored from accidental fouls or 3v3 breaches etc devalues them further.

I think the rules also work better for the sport as a tv sport rather than an in person sport were decisions can be baffling and seem very unfair at times.

All that said I think the majority are here to stay and I'm not going to be tearing up my season ticket or anything over that. I just still remain of the view that the changes made went too far to correct supposed failings that weren't really there.

I don't think the quality of football has improved this year to the extent the rules had envisioned.

I'd agree with that point. Not a fan of the rules but have grown accustomed to them you could say. I find it easier to follow on TV than going to club games but I suppose at club games there's no-one there to explain why something was given or why it was let go. There's times at club games where the ref blows the whistle and suddenly it's brought forward or something like that. Da especially struggles to follow it in person nowadays

[J70]

The doom and gloom lads beginning to crawl back out!!

Yep. People have short memories.

Personally, I was close to giving up on the game in the last couple of years, and was only really going out of my way to watch my own county, which was getting very tough also. This year has been brilliant to watch by comparison to the past five years.

I really hope they keep the main changes (three men up, two pointer, quick start frees, and no back pass).

[blanketattack]

I was talking about the incident right at the end where there was an advantage awarded out the field and play continued Tyrone had a goal scoring chance but it was deflected up over the bar.  My understanding was that scoring the point ends the advantage and the point stood.  There was a similar incident in a Cork hurling match last year.

If the point doesn't end the advantage who determines which outcome is chosen?  Is it the referee, are the fouled team given a choice?

McQuillan was wrong on this.  The point was the advantage, it shouldn't have been brought back for the 2 pointed free attempt.  I guess the game scoreline is what influenced his decision.

Surely that rule has to be changed. If a team are 2 or 3 points down after the hooter has gone and the ref is playing advantage and the team's shot at goal is parried over the bar, the team should have the option to take the free instead of the 1 pointer.

From a cynical point of view, a team could do a deliberate foul in such a circumstance and then score an own-point to guarantee the win.

[blanketattack]

At the weekend Shane Ryan used one hand to swing up off the crossbar and the other to save a point attempt. Is that illegal?

[marty34]

At the weekend Shane Ryan used one hand to swing up off the crossbar and the other to save a point attempt. Is that illegal?

I remember that.

But was thinking would it not be easier to just jump up. Would you not get the same height?

In a similiar vein to rugby line outs, I'd wonder if a few lads on goal-line 'rugby lifted' a mid-fielder say, in a controlled fashion in stopping a point from a 45 for example.

Would the referee blow it and under what rule?

[blanketattack]

At the weekend Shane Ryan used one hand to swing up off the crossbar and the other to save a point attempt. Is that illegal?

I remember that.

But was thinking would it not be easier to just jump up. Would you not get the same height?

In a similiar vein to rugby line outs, I'd wonder if a few lads on goal-line 'rugby lifted' a mid-fielder say, in a controlled fashion in stopping a point from a 45 for example.

Would the referee blow it and under what rule?

Gough was asked by Kerry players who were planning it at end of 2019 final and he said it was fine, but afterwards rulebook showed it's not allowed.

[tbrick18]

The doom and gloom lads beginning to crawl back out!!

Just so I'm clear good games earlier in the year were a result of the new rules?

Poor games in the semi finals nothing to do with the new rules?

That's obviously tongue in cheek and not aimed specifically at anyone but it is the way I've seen some people get on.

Overall I've warmed a lot on the rules. I particularly like the solo and go as it's now been refereed and played. That said I still think there's a lot of problems with them. The introduction of the two pointer has devalued a goal and even a one pointer. The fact that two pointers can be scored from accidental fouls or 3v3 breaches etc devalues them further.

I think the rules also work better for the sport as a tv sport rather than an in person sport were decisions can be baffling and seem very unfair at times.

All that said I think the majority are here to stay and I'm not going to be tearing up my season ticket or anything over that. I just still remain of the view that the changes made went too far to correct supposed failings that weren't really there.

I don't think the quality of football has improved this year to the extent the rules had envisioned.

Yeah I agree with most of this.
To listen to the TV pundits, you'd swear the game is night and day a better spectacle than last year and all down to the new rules.
But higher figures on the scoreboard don't necessarily mean a better game.
Solo and go I like, keeps the game moving. I don't mind the dissent rule either. The handing the ball over rule is ridiculous and I think the kickout rule is purpose built for a few teams.
I can live with no-backpassing to the keeper too, but the game isn't this free-flowing kicking game that was envisaged by keeping 3 forward at all times.
IMO, they should be removing rules rather than adding to allow a bit more fluidity in games. Remove the mark, remove the kickout rule, remove the 3-up rule, remove the 2pt'ers and arc altogether, utilise the black card the way it was meant to be used and the game is perfectly fine.