Munster Championship

[rodney trotter]

So only got to watch it now as o was out, phoned turned off, well second half and extra time. Enthralling game and and while there were plenty misses in the game by both it allowed it to be close and give us (supporters) a great watch.

The ref it seems from some on here (footballers) didn't have a good game? For me he allowed the game to develop without pulling up for frees at every tackle, he did it for both btw.. I didn't see him favouring either team, so as long as you are consistent at not giving frees for both then the teams won't be looking for them..

Wasn't too many complaints from players or commentators during it..

Ref's getting injured during a game is very rare though lol!!

But it great that they had a ref of top quality to step in..

This game just means Limerick have to beat one team more to get to the semi final. Losing Munster will hurt but in the grand scheme of things Liam is the prize..

There will be some sore bodies today

He played over 3 minutes at the end of normal time. 1 minute was added, there was no need to play that long with no breaks in play. The limerick players questioned it when he blew up normal time

[Truthsayer]

So only got to watch it now as o was out, phoned turned off, well second half and extra time. Enthralling game and and while there were plenty misses in the game by both it allowed it to be close and give us (supporters) a great watch.

The ref it seems from some on here (footballers) didn't have a good game? For me he allowed the game to develop without pulling up for frees at every tackle, he did it for both btw.. I didn't see him favouring either team, so as long as you are consistent at not giving frees for both then the teams won't be looking for them..

Wasn't too many complaints from players or commentators during it..

Ref's getting injured during a game is very rare though lol!!

But it great that they had a ref of top quality to step in..

This game just means Limerick have to beat one team more to get to the semi final. Losing Munster will hurt but in the grand scheme of things Liam is the prize..

There will be some sore bodies today

Must be a lot of football fans among the Cork supporters and management. As a member of a hurling and football club, I thought there were blatant fouls on Cork forwards he didn't give. Having said that I felt sorry for him when he went down with cramp.. and was a very hard match to ref.

[fullback2023]

So only got to watch it now as o was out, phoned turned off, well second half and extra time. Enthralling game and and while there were plenty misses in the game by both it allowed it to be close and give us (supporters) a great watch.

The ref it seems from some on here (footballers) didn't have a good game? For me he allowed the game to develop without pulling up for frees at every tackle, he did it for both btw.. I didn't see him favouring either team, so as long as you are consistent at not giving frees for both then the teams won't be looking for them..

Wasn't too many complaints from players or commentators during it..

Ref's getting injured during a game is very rare though lol!!

But it great that they had a ref of top quality to step in..

This game just means Limerick have to beat one team more to get to the semi final. Losing Munster will hurt but in the grand scheme of things Liam is the prize..

There will be some sore bodies today

He played over 3 minutes at the end of normal time. 1 minute was added, there was no need to play that long with no breaks in play. The limerick players questioned it when he blew up normal time

It was at the end of extra time, when the clock hit 90:00 the play had already been stopped for a free, Cian Lynch was down with a blood injury and Limerick made a sub (Lynch actually tried to go down again on his way off to waste more time), by the time Gillane took the free it was 91:14. Free then given against Peter Casey for overcarrying at 91:51, that didn't get taken until 92:22 and Quaid spilled it for a 65 at 92:29. The 65 wasn't taken until 93:40 because Limerick brought Lynch back in then were messing around trying to get Diarmaid Byrnes back on for penalties and took Lynch straight back off, the 65 went over at 93:44 then he blew at 93:55 before the puckout could be taken.

So while he played nearly 4 minutes, the ball was actually only in play for around a minute, mainly due to Limerick injuries and substitutions. The only time he could have blown was while the 65 was waiting to be taken if he included the time taken by Fitzgibbon going back to take the free as playing time but there would have been absolute uproar if he ended the game with Cork waiting on a 65 to level it.

[Milltown Row2]

Well that settles it. Hate time wasters. Always stop MY watch, and that's the only one that matters.

As for the fouls, while he didn't blow much he was in my view, fair enough, once I seen what he wasn't giving at the start then I knew what to expect

[johnnycool]

So only got to watch it now as o was out, phoned turned off, well second half and extra time. Enthralling game and and while there were plenty misses in the game by both it allowed it to be close and give us (supporters) a great watch.

The ref it seems from some on here (footballers) didn't have a good game? For me he allowed the game to develop without pulling up for frees at every tackle, he did it for both btw.. I didn't see him favouring either team, so as long as you are consistent at not giving frees for both then the teams won't be looking for them..

Wasn't too many complaints from players or commentators during it..

Ref's getting injured during a game is very rare though lol!!

But it great that they had a ref of top quality to step in..

This game just means Limerick have to beat one team more to get to the semi final. Losing Munster will hurt but in the grand scheme of things Liam is the prize..

There will be some sore bodies today

Must be a lot of football fans among the Cork supporters and management. As a member of a hurling and football club, I thought there were blatant fouls on Cork forwards he didn't give. Having said that I felt sorry for him when he went down with cramp.. and was a very hard match to ref.

There was a lot of pulling and dragging by both sets of defenders, I'd prefer it was refereed out of the game but hey ho, I'm in the minority it seems.
Ref was consistent and both teams can point to numerous instances where they were denied legitimate frees.

Well done to Cork, they made it a dog of a game, disrupted Limerick who were below par but Cork were the reason for a lot of it.

After today's Leinster final I'd be surprised if we don't get the trilogy in 6 weeks time  .

[thewobbler]

Penalties in hurling?  They might still be taking them Monday!

I don't know why the GAA is so mentally challenged that they can't make a championship schedule which allows time for replays.

As I've posted multiple times per summer since forever:

Once you adapt your mindset so that only winners have earned the right  progress in a championship format, then penalties becomes much easier to accept.

For example: neither side was just quite good enough to win on Saturday. So neither side deserved to progress. It's not a narrative you hear much after close games. But it's the truth.

The competition format though requires someone must go through (to the semis), and this time Cork can count their blessings. They won what is effectively a high energy coin toss.

Limerick not getting there is due to the fact that they weren't - on this occasion - good enough to win. Not because of a penalties lottery.

[Milltown Row2]

It won't matter, its one less game for one, as both will get to the semi finals anyway and avoid each other, should they qualify, till the final, if they don't then that will be down to how Tipp and Kilkenny progress, I don't see them up at that level yet, Kilkenny were impressive at times but that's as poor current a Galway team at Championship level I've seen for a long time, hard to gauge, Kilkenny should/could have beaten Clare last year but a different Clare team came out in the second half..

[EoinW]

Penalties in hurling?  They might still be taking them Monday!

I don't know why the GAA is so mentally challenged that they can't make a championship schedule which allows time for replays.

As I've posted multiple times per summer since forever:

Once you adapt your mindset so that only winners have earned the right  progress in a championship format, then penalties becomes much easier to accept.

For example: neither side was just quite good enough to win on Saturday. So neither side deserved to progress. It's not a narrative you hear much after close games. But it's the truth.

The competition format though requires someone must go through (to the semis), and this time Cork can count their blessings. They won what is effectively a high energy coin toss.

Limerick not getting there is due to the fact that they weren't - on this occasion - good enough to win. Not because of a penalties lottery.

That's a negative assessment but quite true.  Neither side were good enough to win.  My next thought: let them try to prove themselves worthy next weekend.  I don't see what's so awful about 40,000(and a larger tv audience) getting together in Cork for a replay.

[thewobbler]

Well if senior intercounty hurling was a game played in complete isolation of the club game, and played in complete isolation of the scheduling needs of intercounty football, camogie and LGFA, you'd be absolutely right.

But it's not a sport played in isolation.

[johnnycool]

Penalties in hurling?  They might still be taking them Monday!

I don't know why the GAA is so mentally challenged that they can't make a championship schedule which allows time for replays.

As I've posted multiple times per summer since forever:

Once you adapt your mindset so that only winners have earned the right  progress in a championship format, then penalties becomes much easier to accept.

For example: neither side was just quite good enough to win on Saturday. So neither side deserved to progress. It's not a narrative you hear much after close games. But it's the truth.

The competition format though requires someone must go through (to the semis), and this time Cork can count their blessings. They won what is effectively a high energy coin toss.

Limerick not getting there is due to the fact that they weren't - on this occasion - good enough to win. Not because of a penalties lottery.

That's a negative assessment but quite true.  Neither side were good enough to win.  My next thought: let them try to prove themselves worthy next weekend.  I don't see what's so awful about 40,000(and a larger tv audience) getting together in Cork for a replay.

As Wobbler points out, the losing of the game isn't the end, but go through either way so penalties after 90 minutes of hurling is about right.

Another game in 7 days would mean the losers would be out three weeks in a row and leave them bolloxed for the quarter final.

It is what it is.

[EoinW]

Well if senior intercounty hurling was a game played in complete isolation of the club game, and played in complete isolation of the scheduling needs of intercounty football, camogie and LGFA, you'd be absolutely right.

But it's not a sport played in isolation.

This is quite true.  I'd be the first to admit that I'm ignorant about club hurling issues and scheduling.  You can't expect a foreigner to follow everything.

The questions to ask: in Ireland, isn't the inter county championships the most important thing?  If yes, then isn't getting it absolutely right the most important thing?

[EoinW]

As Wobbler points out, the losing of the game isn't the end, but go through either way so penalties after 90 minutes of hurling is about right.

Another game in 7 days would mean the losers would be out three weeks in a row and leave them bolloxed for the quarter final.

It is what it is.
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Yes it is what it is and we have to accept reality and make the best of it.

Two points:

1) It's a bit disingenuous to pretend no harm is done when any of the upcoming championship games could also be decided by penalties.  Both teams do not advance in that situation.

2) How important are the provincial championships?  Maybe it's time to get rid of them - also in football?

I'm a traditionalist, however the initial idea was four provincial champs advancing to the AI semi final.  That's never really worked in hurling.  Not sure it works that well in football either.  Like Kerry dominating a hurling province.

[johnnycool]

As Wobbler points out, the losing of the game isn't the end, but go through either way so penalties after 90 minutes of hurling is about right.

Another game in 7 days would mean the losers would be out three weeks in a row and leave them bolloxed for the quarter final.

It is what it is.
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Yes it is what it is and we have to accept reality and make the best of it.

Two points:

1) It's a bit disingenuous to pretend no harm is done when any of the upcoming championship games could also be decided by penalties.  Both teams do not advance in that situation.

2) How important are the provincial championships?  Maybe it's time to get rid of them - also in football?

I'm a traditionalist, however the initial idea was four provincial champs advancing to the AI semi final.  That's never really worked in hurling.  Not sure it works that well in football either.  Like Kerry dominating a hurling province.

The point was originally about the Munster final and no one was kicked out of the competition and that stands.

As for the other games left in the championship, this weekend qualifiers, quarter finals and semi-finals are all "winner on the day" with only the AI final able to go to a replay after extra time when the replay will be "winner on the day". All teams are fully aware of that from the get go.

There are teams who win World Cups, Champions league finals when the game goes to penalties and no one bats an eyelid.

It's pretty new in GAA terms and something we need to get used to.

[EoinW]

As Wobbler points out, the losing of the game isn't the end, but go through either way so penalties after 90 minutes of hurling is about right.

Another game in 7 days would mean the losers would be out three weeks in a row and leave them bolloxed for the quarter final.

It is what it is.

Yes it is what it is and we have to accept reality and make the best of it.

Two points:

1) It's a bit disingenuous to pretend no harm is done when any of the upcoming championship games could also be decided by penalties.  Both teams do not advance in that situation.

2) How important are the provincial championships?  Maybe it's time to get rid of them - also in football?

I'm a traditionalist, however the initial idea was four provincial champs advancing to the AI semi final.  That's never really worked in hurling.  Not sure it works that well in football either.  Like Kerry dominating a hurling province.

The point was originally about the Munster final and no one was kicked out of the competition and that stands.

As for the other games left in the championship, this weekend qualifiers, quarter finals and semi-finals are all "winner on the day" with only the AI final able to go to a replay after extra time when the replay will be "winner on the day". All teams are fully aware of that from the get go.

There are teams who win World Cups, Champions league finals when the game goes to penalties and no one bats an eyelid.

It's pretty new in GAA terms and something we need to get used to.


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No one bats an eyelid?  Seriously?  I stopped watching the World Cup 30 years ago when the 1994 final was decided by penalties.

What you're saying is: no one in authority bats an eyelid.  In other words: obedient people get used to doing anything Authority wants.  Never mind standards, traditions nor fair play.

Sorry for rocking the boat.  21st century sporting standards suck because there aren't any.  Whatever feels right, makes money or appears popular on any given day is all that counts.  Liberalism at it's worst!

[thewobbler]

EoinW you're going to find yourself lost in a conundrum here here.

The decision to shelve replays in county championships has not been fuelled by money, but by time. And by time, I mean by giving time back to the purest version of the sport: club championships.

Intercounty is the showcase. But it's not the most important thing. This should be applauded.