Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[The Boy Wonder]

Starting to look like McGuinness, Harte and all the county, club and college coaches that copied them have left the game unfixable...

That's it in a nutshell.

Some of the remedies that the FRC have introduced to address the no-risk possession game have drastically altered the nature and shape of the game.

The introduction of the 2-pointer has seen a huge amount of the play happening back and forth around the 40m arc.
It has distorted the shape of the game. It has also distorted the scoring system which did not need fixing.

For Mickey Harte the chickens came home to roost last Sunday.

[Milltown Row2]

I see this happening a lot at inter county and club level whereby the kicker knocks the ball backwards to an unmarked player to create the opportunity for a two pointer.

thats on the other team for not picking up the loose player

[flowerpot]

So you can have a short 45 with the onus on the opposition to pick up loose players, but not a short kick out with the same onus, one scenario rewards 2 points the other mere possession in your own half, interesting.

[Milltown Row2]

So you can have a short 45 with the onus on the opposition to pick up loose players, but not a short kick out with the same onus, one scenario rewards 2 points the other mere possession in your own half, interesting.

If your are managing your team and in a free kick situation and your players are not picking up the loose players then that's poor management

[flowerpot]

Ditto for short kick outs, but those aren't allowed, just hoof it into a crowd, top skillset there.

[thewobbler]

Ditto for short kick outs, but those aren't allowed, just hoof it into a crowd, top skillset there.

There is zero skill involved by anyone when a keeper butts a 13m kickout to an unmarked teammate.

Zero.

None at all.

Zilch.

Stop describing long kickouts as skillless when your preferred alternative is the very and utter definition of skillless. Find some other bat to use if you may, but not this one.

[thebigfullforward]

Ditto for short kick outs, but those aren't allowed, just hoof it into a crowd, top skillset there.

Exactly. Good to see Morgan get some kickouts away into pockets against Cavan but 90% of the time it's just a hoof up the pitch. No skill there whatsoever. People go on about the risk/reward of a long ball into the forward line but don't apply the same thinking to kickouts

[flowerpot]

The skill then is for the attacking team to work it up for a score, the skill for the defending team is to stop them. There is zero skill in hoofing a ball 50 yards and hoping someone from your team wins a breaking ball.

[thewobbler]

The skill then is for the attacking team to work it up for a score, the skill for the defending team is to stop them. There is zero skill in hoofing a ball 50 yards and hoping someone from your team wins a breaking ball.

For this to be in any way valid, then it requires the game (rules and culture) to follow a principle that every time a team gets a shot away, then their opponent gains an advantage of directly receiving the ball.

Basketball follows that principle. And it's a largely unwatchable sport until the final quarter.

Go watch basketball Pot. Most of us would prefer to watch a game that rewards conviction, challenges, and bravery.

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Also if you think there's no skill involved in accurate long kickouts, high fielding, and winning breaking ball, then there's no hope for you. You're too young and you've been watching / playing  the wrong sport. Over time you'll understand..

[Milltown Row2]

The skill then is for the attacking team to work it up for a score, the skill for the defending team is to stop them. There is zero skill in hoofing a ball 50 yards and hoping someone from your team wins a breaking ball.

Someone has to win the ball regardless! Why not the team that their keeper is kicking the ball out to?

So are we looking at a team that has a kick out gets automatic possession of the ball? Would that help make the game better?

Teams have to set up accordingly to win their kickouts depending on their opponents, either you are competing for the ball by catching, breaking it down for a team mate or punching it on and competing for the break ball that's is something for the team to work out...

Mindless handing the ball over to a unmarked player for a short kickout is not a skill, so I'm not sure why one of these is looked at as a skill and the other is not. It infuriates me when short kick outs were allowed to happen in the first place and why teams didn't press and apply pressure. 

[flowerpot]

Bless you for thinking I am young ill take that, high fielding back in the day was a joy to watch, maybe because of the last decade that has been lost but clean catches are very rare, there are 4 or five lads going for a ball, wee niggles in the back going on all the time, more often than not the ball spills and its a lottery who gets it.  Take Morgan or Blaine last year picking out lads breaking free and running into space that was skill on the keeper spotting the runner and the runner breaking free.

Edit you could argue well why is that not happening now, it's because everyone is over the arch and between it and midfield except the 6 at the other end, its a fecking minefield!

[flowerpot]

The skill then is for the attacking team to work it up for a score, the skill for the defending team is to stop them. There is zero skill in hoofing a ball 50 yards and hoping someone from your team wins a breaking ball.

Someone has to win the ball regardless! Why not the team that their keeper is kicking the ball out to?

So are we looking at a team that has a kick out gets automatic possession of the ball? Would that help make the game better?

Teams have to set up accordingly to win their kickouts depending on their opponents, either you are competing for the ball by catching, breaking it down for a team mate or punching it on and competing for the break ball that's is something for the team to work out...

Mindless handing the ball over to a unmarked player for a short kickout is not a skill, so I'm not sure why one of these is looked at as a skill and the other is not. It infuriates me when short kick outs were allowed to happen in the first place and why teams didn't press and apply pressure. 

Who said that, as you pointed out.

thats on the other team for not picking up the loose player

[thebigfullforward]

Ditto for short kick outs, but those aren't allowed, just hoof it into a crowd, top skillset there.

There is zero skill involved by anyone when a keeper butts a 13m kickout to an unmarked teammate.

Zero.

None at all.

Zilch.

Stop describing long kickouts as skillless when your preferred alternative is the very and utter definition of skillless. Find some other bat to use if you may, but not this one.

Opposition press up, keeper gets a kickout away short to the sideline or outside the D and possession is retained if the player keeps hold. If the player looses it and the opposition are pressed up that's a goal. There's no skill in getting a kickout away to an unmarked man 13m away the same way there's no skill in hoofing the ball 50m

[Milltown Row2]

The skill then is for the attacking team to work it up for a score, the skill for the defending team is to stop them. There is zero skill in hoofing a ball 50 yards and hoping someone from your team wins a breaking ball.

Someone has to win the ball regardless! Why not the team that their keeper is kicking the ball out to?

So are we looking at a team that has a kick out gets automatic possession of the ball? Would that help make the game better?

Teams have to set up accordingly to win their kickouts depending on their opponents, either you are competing for the ball by catching, breaking it down for a team mate or punching it on and competing for the break ball that's is something for the team to work out...

Mindless handing the ball over to a unmarked player for a short kickout is not a skill, so I'm not sure why one of these is looked at as a skill and the other is not. It infuriates me when short kick outs were allowed to happen in the first place and why teams didn't press and apply pressure. 

Who said that, as you pointed out.

thats on the other team for not picking up the loose player

No one.. That's a question, I'm asking it, and that is why I put a question mark on the end of that sentence, you must know by now how that works? 

[flowerpot]

Ask away, seems like a daft question, I am sure you will be flooded with replies.