Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[JoG2]

He has a point.


https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/i-think-its-absolutely-crazy-ex-monaghan-ace-conor-mcmanus-slams-new-fielding-directive-from-kickouts-HGDQSR63JNHENLYFEBRCQPLZVI/

The rule (long kickout which I'd do away with) will be grand until a Dublin or Kerry lose a quarter or semi final or even final from a winning position because they unluckily lost a few long kickouts at the end of the game.... Then they'll be an outcry

[Armagh18]

He has a point.


https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/i-think-its-absolutely-crazy-ex-monaghan-ace-conor-mcmanus-slams-new-fielding-directive-from-kickouts-HGDQSR63JNHENLYFEBRCQPLZVI/

The rule (long kickout which I'd do away with) will be grand until a Dublin or Kerry lose a quarter or semi final or even final from a winning position because they unluckily lost a few long kickouts at the end of the game.... Then they'll be an outcry

Sure half the reason for the new rules were that it wasn't fair for teams to make Clifford track back and mark his man .

[Rossfan]

One day one of ye bucks will say something positive..... 

[twohands!!!]

I was wrong on the solo-and-go being an option as part of the mark.
The play-on option from a Kick Out mark is not the same thing as the Solo and Go as per the rules quoted below.

The fact that there are 3 different rules in relation to when a defender can tackle a player who plays on is far from ideal.
My reading of the current rules is as follows
Advanced Mark - player can be tackled immediately
Kick Out Mark - tackled after 4 metres
Solo and Go - the fouled player is allow start the Solo and Go 4 metres forward from where the foul occurred. Has to take a Toe-Tap to start the Solo and Go and then is allowed 4 more metres before they can be tackled]

I can understand why the rules on tackling for the advanced mark are different (not allowing a defender to immediately tackle that close to goal would have given forwards way too much advantage) but you would think it would make sense to have the same rules for tackling for the solo and go from a free and the the play-on from a Kick Out mark to minimise the confusion/make things easier for everyone.

2.12 Mark

The referee shall award a Mark, in either of the following circumstances:

(i) When the player catches the ball cleanly from a kick-out, without it touching the ground, on or past the 45m line nearest the kick-out point (a Kick Out Mark).

 or

(ii) When a player catches the ball cleanly on or inside the 20m line from a kick in play or from a kick-out mark, delivered by an attacking player on or beyond the opposing team's 45m line, and without it touching the ground (an Advanced Mark).

The following procedures shall apply:

(a) Free Kick
The player shall signify to the Referee if the player is availing of the free kick by immediately raising an arm upright and that player then taking the kick from the hands. The free kick shall be taken from the point where the Mark is awarded except in the case of a Mark awarded to an attacking team inside a 13m line when the free shall be taken from the point on the 13m line directly in line with where the Mark is awarded.
Once the player indicates the player is taking the 'Mark', the Referee shall allow up to fifteen
seconds for the player to take the kick. If the player delays longer than fifteen seconds, the Referee shall cancel the 'Mark' and throw in the ball between a player from each side. 
Once the player indicates they are taking the 'Mark, the opposing players must retreat 13m to 50 allow the player space to take the kick. If an opposing player deliberately blocks or attempts to block the kick within 13m, or if an opposing player impedes the player while the player is taking the kick, the Referee shall penalise the opposing team by bringing the ball forward 50m, up to opponents' 13m line.
If the Referee determines that the player who makes the Mark has been injured in the process and is unable to take the kick, the Referee shall direct the player's nearest team-mate to take the kick, but this may only be allowed in exceptional circumstances.
A score may be made from a free awarded for a Mark.

(b) Play on immediately - Kick Out Mark

(i) A player who makes a Kick Out Mark may play on immediately and, in this circumstance, the player may not be challenged within four metres of the position from where the Kick Out Mark is made.

(ii) If the Player is illegally challenged, within four metres of the position from where the Kick Out Mark is
made, a free kick shall be awarded 50m more advantageous than the place of the original mark – up to
opponent's 13m line. The player taking the free may choose to take the free kick from outside the 40m arc
though the application of this Rule would otherwise result in a free kick from inside the 40m arc.

(c) Play on immediately - Advanced Mark
A player who makes an Advanced Mark may play on immediately. The Referee may allow the play to continue if the Referee considers that this presents the potential of an advantage to the team of the player awarded the Mark. A player who is permitted to play on may be immediately challenged for the ball.
The Referee shall signal that the Mark has been awarded and that advantage is being allowed to accrue by raising an arm upright and shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining that arm in the upright position until it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued.
An advantage has accrued if a point or a goal is scored.
If no advantage has accrued to the team of the player awarded the mark, the referee will indicate that by saying 'no advantage gained' and will take the ball back to the point of the Mark.
If a player from the team of the player awarded the Mark commits a technical foul before they have accrued an advantage, the referee will stop play and allow the Mark to be taken from its original position.
If a player from either team commits an aggressive foul before advantage has accrued, the referee will apply the penalty for that subsequent aggressive foul.
Advantage shall not be applied if the referee suspects that a player is seriously injured. The
referee shall apply all other relevant disciplinary action even when advantage is being allowed.

2.5 (a) A free kick, other than a penalty kick or a 45m free kick as prescribed in Rule 2.8, or a free kick awarded for a Mark, may be taken from the hands or from the ground or by means of a Solo and Go.

(b) The ball shall be stationary when a free kick is taken from the ground.

(c) Where a Solo and Go is availed of, it must be taken from a position within four metres of where the foul has occurred and must be taken immediately after the free has been awarded and without undue delay unless
the referee has stopped play for any purpose such as to allow for attention to be given to an injured player
or to deal with a disciplinary issue. The ball must not travel backwards. A player taking a Solo and Go may not be challenged within four metres of the position where the Solo and Go was taken. A Solo and Go may not be
taken within the opposition 20m line. Where a Solo and Go is not taken immediately,the free must be taken
from the hands or from the ground, at the point where the foul occurred.

21. SOLO AND GO To take a free kick, immediately, by executing a Toe-Tap and playing on. (Football only)

25. TOE-TAP To release the ball from the hand(s) to the foot and kick it back into the hand(s)

Also while pondering all this I think I spotted a bit of a loop-hole in how the rule in relation to the Kick Out Mark is written. If a player makes a Kick Out Mark and takes the play on option but doesn't move 4 metres from the spot, I don't think the other team can legally tackle them until they move outside that spot. There's no rule/prohibition on them standing on that spot top-tapping the ball to themselves constantly. If the opposing team try to make a tackle (because this would breach the 4m safe zone) it would be the 50m brought forward free? Does this seem "legit" as in legal according to the rules or an I suffering from heat stroke??

[blanketattack]

I thought for the solo and go, you don't have to take the solo straight away, you can 'go and solo', (as well as 'solo and go'). Definitely seen some refs implement that.

[Milltown Row2]

I was wrong on the solo-and-go being an option as part of the mark.
The play-on option from a Kick Out mark is not the same thing as the Solo and Go as per the rules quoted below.

The fact that there are 3 different rules in relation to when a defender can tackle a player who plays on is far from ideal.
My reading of the current rules is as follows
Advanced Mark - player can be tackled immediately
Kick Out Mark - tackled after 4 metres
Solo and Go - the fouled player is allow start the Solo and Go 4 metres forward from where the foul occurred. Has to take a Toe-Tap to start the Solo and Go and then is allowed 4 more metres before they can be tackled]

I can understand why the rules on tackling for the advanced mark are different (not allowing a defender to immediately tackle that close to goal would have given forwards way too much advantage) but you would think it would make sense to have the same rules for tackling for the solo and go from a free and the the play-on from a Kick Out mark to minimise the confusion/make things easier for everyone.

2.12 Mark

The referee shall award a Mark, in either of the following circumstances:

(i) When the player catches the ball cleanly from a kick-out, without it touching the ground, on or past the 45m line nearest the kick-out point (a Kick Out Mark).

 or

(ii) When a player catches the ball cleanly on or inside the 20m line from a kick in play or from a kick-out mark, delivered by an attacking player on or beyond the opposing team's 45m line, and without it touching the ground (an Advanced Mark).

The following procedures shall apply:

(a) Free Kick
The player shall signify to the Referee if the player is availing of the free kick by immediately raising an arm upright and that player then taking the kick from the hands. The free kick shall be taken from the point where the Mark is awarded except in the case of a Mark awarded to an attacking team inside a 13m line when the free shall be taken from the point on the 13m line directly in line with where the Mark is awarded.
Once the player indicates the player is taking the 'Mark', the Referee shall allow up to fifteen
seconds for the player to take the kick. If the player delays longer than fifteen seconds, the Referee shall cancel the 'Mark' and throw in the ball between a player from each side. 
Once the player indicates they are taking the 'Mark, the opposing players must retreat 13m to 50 allow the player space to take the kick. If an opposing player deliberately blocks or attempts to block the kick within 13m, or if an opposing player impedes the player while the player is taking the kick, the Referee shall penalise the opposing team by bringing the ball forward 50m, up to opponents' 13m line.
If the Referee determines that the player who makes the Mark has been injured in the process and is unable to take the kick, the Referee shall direct the player's nearest team-mate to take the kick, but this may only be allowed in exceptional circumstances.
A score may be made from a free awarded for a Mark.

(b) Play on immediately - Kick Out Mark

(i) A player who makes a Kick Out Mark may play on immediately and, in this circumstance, the player may not be challenged within four metres of the position from where the Kick Out Mark is made.

(ii) If the Player is illegally challenged, within four metres of the position from where the Kick Out Mark is
made, a free kick shall be awarded 50m more advantageous than the place of the original mark – up to
opponent's 13m line. The player taking the free may choose to take the free kick from outside the 40m arc
though the application of this Rule would otherwise result in a free kick from inside the 40m arc.

(c) Play on immediately - Advanced Mark
A player who makes an Advanced Mark may play on immediately. The Referee may allow the play to continue if the Referee considers that this presents the potential of an advantage to the team of the player awarded the Mark. A player who is permitted to play on may be immediately challenged for the ball.
The Referee shall signal that the Mark has been awarded and that advantage is being allowed to accrue by raising an arm upright and shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining that arm in the upright position until it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued.
An advantage has accrued if a point or a goal is scored.
If no advantage has accrued to the team of the player awarded the mark, the referee will indicate that by saying 'no advantage gained' and will take the ball back to the point of the Mark.
If a player from the team of the player awarded the Mark commits a technical foul before they have accrued an advantage, the referee will stop play and allow the Mark to be taken from its original position.
If a player from either team commits an aggressive foul before advantage has accrued, the referee will apply the penalty for that subsequent aggressive foul.
Advantage shall not be applied if the referee suspects that a player is seriously injured. The
referee shall apply all other relevant disciplinary action even when advantage is being allowed.

2.5 (a) A free kick, other than a penalty kick or a 45m free kick as prescribed in Rule 2.8, or a free kick awarded for a Mark, may be taken from the hands or from the ground or by means of a Solo and Go.

(b) The ball shall be stationary when a free kick is taken from the ground.

(c) Where a Solo and Go is availed of, it must be taken from a position within four metres of where the foul has occurred and must be taken immediately after the free has been awarded and without undue delay unless
the referee has stopped play for any purpose such as to allow for attention to be given to an injured player
or to deal with a disciplinary issue. The ball must not travel backwards. A player taking a Solo and Go may not be challenged within four metres of the position where the Solo and Go was taken. A Solo and Go may not be
taken within the opposition 20m line. Where a Solo and Go is not taken immediately,the free must be taken
from the hands or from the ground, at the point where the foul occurred.

21. SOLO AND GO To take a free kick, immediately, by executing a Toe-Tap and playing on. (Football only)

25. TOE-TAP To release the ball from the hand(s) to the foot and kick it back into the hand(s)

Also while pondering all this I think I spotted a bit of a loop-hole in how the rule in relation to the Kick Out Mark is written. If a player makes a Kick Out Mark and takes the play on option but doesn't move 4 metres from the spot, I don't think the other team can legally tackle them until they move outside that spot. There's no rule/prohibition on them standing on that spot top-tapping the ball to themselves constantly. If the opposing team try to make a tackle (because this would breach the 4m safe zone) it would be the 50m brought forward free? Does this seem "legit" as in legal according to the rules or an I suffering from heat stroke??

So the kick out Mark now there is no need to raise the hand, the ref always blew for it, indicating that a mark has taken place, the player can op to take the mark or move as normal. 4 steps or meters rule beforE being tackled is in as it was always but being impeded before he's taken the full distance will result in a 50 meter (rather than the 13m) move of the ball, but should he stand still he is only allowed the time it takes to move 4 meters, if he goes over that time he'll be blown for overcarrying, the only time he can stand still is if he takes the mark and he'll have the time the ref allows to take the MARK

[tonto1888]

Listening to Ethan Rafferty on the smaller fish podcast. He was saying the time for a goal kick is now down to the referees discretion. I don't like that. Will be very inconsistent

[GTP]

I thought for the solo and go, you don't have to take the solo straight away, you can 'go and solo', (as well as 'solo and go'). Definitely seen some refs implement that.

I will go back to a previous point I am unsure on. The solo and go by rule quoted earlier should be must be taken immediately after the free has been awarded and without undue delay. This should mean a go and solo is not permitted as it is neither  immediate nor without delay. Don't know why both terms are  needed in the rule.

[Milltown Row2]

Listening to Ethan Rafferty on the smaller fish podcast. He was saying the time for a goal kick is now down to the referees discretion. I don't like that. Will be very inconsistent

Yeah, they monitored a load of games and the average kick out time was 21 seconds ... We still know that the keeper is taking the piss and will give in a close in free, if a keeper wants to play that game of poker, well, as Trump says, he aint got the cards, I do lol

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I mentioned this before but Ethan Rafferty highlighted it in the game yesterday.
It shouldn't be the case that slabbering at the ref out the field carries the severe punishment of a 50m advanced free while slabbering at the ref after the awarding of a penalty (or 13m free) carries no punishment at all. They need a deterrent for that.

[marty34]

I mentioned this before but Ethan Rafferty highlighted it in the game yesterday.
It shouldn't be the case that slabbering at the ref out the field carries the severe punishment of a 50m advanced free while slabbering at the ref after the awarding of a penalty (or 13m free) carries no punishment at all. They need a deterrent for that.

Maybe a black card for some of the 'slabberers' might cut that out?

[Milltown Row2]

I mentioned this before but Ethan Rafferty highlighted it in the game yesterday.
It shouldn't be the case that slabbering at the ref out the field carries the severe punishment of a 50m advanced free while slabbering at the ref after the awarding of a penalty (or 13m free) carries no punishment at all. They need a deterrent for that.

There is a deterrent for it, Cassidy didn't apply it, if a free is given or in this case the penalty after it's given, if there is further dissent then the game will restart with a free in, it was brought in for that exact reason..

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

How does that work on a saved penalty where the ball doesn't go dead?

No surprise that refs stop applying these rules. Sure the black card was there as a deterrent and they refused to use it.

[Armagh18]

If theres enough slabbering going on that its worth talking about the ref should be dishing out black cards, maybe a quick warning first. If he doesnt then its on the ref.

[Milltown Row2]

How does that work on a saved penalty where the ball doesn't go dead?

No surprise that refs stop applying these rules. Sure the black card was there as a deterrent and they refused to use it.

So when it goes dead, you apply it.