Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[BigGreenField]

In tight games the 2 pointer is a bit of extra edge, in uneven games it just helps the pile on.

The kick out in juvenile games (even up
To minor) has been a bit of a challenge and I don't see it encouraging high fielding just a scrum of bodies. Have seen a couple of matches where the keeper struggled to get the ball the distance when kicking into a strong wind.

I'd keep both in adult games but I think the small arc should be used for juvenile.

[tonto1888]

I do like most of the rules changes. 2 points for a free though is one which should go IMO
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I do like most of the rules changes. 2 points for a free though is one which should go IMO

It has to stay as long as the 2 pointer is there or else it rewards fouling a good 2 point shooter outside the arc.

Hmmm. Never thought of that. Still don't agree with being allowed to bring it back beyond the arc for a 2 point attempt

[David McKeown]

David, I am not arguing but where are these stats?

It certainly wasn't. The stats back it up. Turnovers are down, fast breaks are down. Number of lead changes are all down compared to last year

Is a fast break running out of your own 45 and then stopping?

From going to games I am enjoying it and the crowd seem to enjoy more direct football.

One definite thing is that players don't automatically slow down and turn back.

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It's the FRC stats that were released after 3 and 6 games and were thereafter discussed on a number of podcasts I'd listen to.

I'm away for a few days but I'll get the links to what I'd listen to when back at my computer.

[trileacman]

The 1v1 throw in is going to crack a players skull someday. The half forwards/backs are rushing in to the loose ball and pretty soon a county footballer will get decimated.

The old rules there was at least one of your teammates there to hoover up loose ball. Now there's an incentive to rush in as fast and as heedlessly as possible.

[on the sideline]

While most of the new rules are seeming to have a positive effect on the game (and I mean most - definitely not all), exactly what everyone thought would happen with them is happening.

Stronger teams are absolutely thumping weaker teams. Look at the games in Ulster U20s tonight. This hasn't been seen so much in the National leagues we're teams are playing opposition of a similar standard, but come the Champiosnhip there will be 40+ point beatings handed out and games will be over inside 10 minutes. Weaker teams don't stand any chance at all against the stronger ones anymore under the new rules, and can't even structure themselves not to take a hiding. If these rules are to persist then the Provincial Championships won't last much longer.

[Wildweasel74]

It's common knowledge these rules benefit strong teams. There will be some bad trimmings but as long as the top 4/6 going well, all rosy in the world of the gaa.

[screenexile]

It's common knowledge these rules benefit strong teams. There will be some bad trimmings but as long as the top 4/6 going well, all rosy in the world of the gaa.

But sure the top 4-6 teams were going well in the old rules... Dublin and Kerry still won the majority of titles the last 20 years the Dubs did 6 in a row!

[Rossfan]

It's not as if  Carlow, Leitrim etc had been winning Provincials on a regular basis.

15 behind the ball was keeping the score down but won't be coming back.
Up to the GAA to structure competitions so that the weakest won't be getting savage hammerings.

Hint ... NFL, Club Championships, Hurling, Camogie, LGFA....

[Cavan19]

In the U20 game the other night between Cavan and Monaghan there was a strange call after Cavan had breached the 3 up rule.

Monaghan had been attacking and scored a point. The linesman then brought the breach to the referess attention and the point that Monaghan scored was chalked off and they were given a free in front of the goals instead which they tapped over the bar.

In a case like that you would think that they just would have allowed the original point to stand and get on with the game, if it had of been a goal that was scored would it have been chalked off?

[statto]

In the U20 game the other night between Cavan and Monaghan there was a strange call after Cavan had breached the 3 up rule.

Monaghan had been attacking and scored a point. The linesman then brought the breach to the referess attention and the point that Monaghan scored was chalked off and they were given a free in front of the goals instead which they tapped over the bar.

In a case like that you would think that they just would have allowed the original point to stand and get on with the game, if it had of been a goal that was scored would it have been chalked off?

Common sense isn't always too common.  How far over halfway would the player have been?

[Milltown Row2]

In the U20 game the other night between Cavan and Monaghan there was a strange call after Cavan had breached the 3 up rule.

Monaghan had been attacking and scored a point. The linesman then brought the breach to the referess attention and the point that Monaghan scored was chalked off and they were given a free in front of the goals instead which they tapped over the bar.

In a case like that you would think that they just would have allowed the original point to stand and get on with the game, if it had of been a goal that was scored would it have been chalked off?

Common sense isn't always too common.  How far over halfway would the player have been?

He would have needed to be over 4 meters past the line. Not sure why the lines man brought it to his attention when all the ref should have done is raised his hand and played an advantage, can you imagine chalking off a goal for them to tap over a 14m free?

[statto]

In the U20 game the other night between Cavan and Monaghan there was a strange call after Cavan had breached the 3 up rule.

Monaghan had been attacking and scored a point. The linesman then brought the breach to the referess attention and the point that Monaghan scored was chalked off and they were given a free in front of the goals instead which they tapped over the bar.

In a case like that you would think that they just would have allowed the original point to stand and get on with the game, if it had of been a goal that was scored would it have been chalked off?

Common sense isn't always too common.  How far over halfway would the player have been?

He would have needed to be over 4 meters past the line. Not sure why the lines man brought it to his attention when all the ref should have done is raised his hand and played an advantage, can you imagine chalking off a goal for them to tap over a 14m free?

Thought Coldrick made alot of sense on his podcast in relation to he wouldn't be happy if a linesman flagged that a player was just over halfway.  If the Cavan player happened to be 5 metres past halfway and having no direct involvement in the play let it go especially if the attacking side get a score.  If the goal had of went in and chalked off there may have been a few cards and the ball moved up for 50 metres for dissent!

[onefineday]

It's common knowledge these rules benefit strong teams. There will be some bad trimmings but as long as the top 4/6 going well, all rosy in the world of the gaa.

That's likely to be borne out in the provincials too, there's good reason to expect some fair hammerings.
On the positive, it will likely ensure that the 2-pointer doesn't survive past this season.

[onefineday]

i do like most of the rules changes. 2 points for a free though is one which should go IMO

it has to stay as long as the 2 pointer is there or else it rewards fouling a good 2 point shooter outside the arc.

I don't agree with this all, the counter argument is that the longer the 2-point free remains, the more we will see players try and draw fouls outside the arc, but in scoring range.

Surely the referee has the tools at his disposal to deal with fouls outside the arc on this 2-point marksman as he's pulling the trigger?
Stats are showing about 48% success for 2pt kicks, so preventing this by giving away a much higher percentage 1pt kick would be unlikely to lead to much success in the long run.

[Armagh18]

It's common knowledge these rules benefit strong teams. There will be some bad trimmings but as long as the top 4/6 going well, all rosy in the world of the gaa.

That's likely to be borne out in the provincials too, there's good reason to expect some fair hammerings.
On the positive, it will likely ensure that the 2-pointer doesn't survive past this season.

Disagree, there likely won't be hammerings in the semi finals/final when games are between teams of a similar level and it'll be those games fresh in peoples heads when rules are being voted on.

I'd happily scrap the arc for both kickouts and 2 point scores.