The Many Faces of US Politics...

[johnnycool]

Kings letter invite to the UK, talk about begging.

Prince Andrew to chaperone Trump.

They can reminisce about the good ole days on paedo island with buddy Epstein.

[weareros]

In his press conference with Starmer, the orange clown noted Doonbeg as one of his investments in the UK.

Trump talked about his golfing investments in the UK and said: "I own Turnberry, I own Aberdeen, and I own a great place called Doonbeg, in Ireland, so I have a great warm spot for your country."


 

[J70]

As for the tired trope about useless degrees in fine art or the classics, most people who end up with these loans are just regular people who do not come from well-off families but who are nonetheless busting their arses to get a decent, useful degree to set themselves up.

But whose fault is it if they decide to take up a place on a shit degree course that offers no change in future employability vs. not going to College?

Theirs?
Their university's?
Or just shit luck?

Writing off loans would definitely be more palatable if the problem of chronic oversupply of graduates in many degrees of marginal usefulness.

However, just writing off loans without tackling the underlying problem would fuk me off too and I'd definitely not be in favour of it.


[Two wrongs don't make a right, so no strawmen please!]

Look at this (OK, UK, but expect it broadly similar everywhere):

Subject area    Employed Full time
Veterinary sciences    79.00%
Architecture & building    71.00%
Education and teaching    70.00%
Medicine and dentistry    69.00%
Engineering and technology    69.00%
Business and management    66.00%
Geography (social sciences)    65.00%
Computing    64.00%
Subjects allied to medicine    63.00%
Geography (natural sciences)    63.00%
Media, journalism and communications    62.00%
Law    61.00%
Mathematics sciences    60.00%
Social sciences    60.00%
Agriculture and food    58.00%
Physical sciences    55.00%
Psychology    53.00%
Biological and sport sciences    51.00%
Languages and related studies    49.00%
History, philosophy and religion    48.00%
Design, creative & performing arts    46.00%

Again, where is the evidence that all these exorbitant loans have been taken out by misguided idiots studying "shit" courses like Ancient Greek and Rome or Medieval French Poetry or something?

My wife did a degree in Chemistry, and it took us until fifteen years after she completed it for us to finish paying it off. And she works in an applied sciences field. She did not attend an exorbitantly priced private university in US terms.

And we were lucky we earned enough between us that we could seriously tackle the principle.

I've no idea if they'll ever tackle the issue of university costs (my kids will start in the next 5-10 years), but what are people supposed to do in the meantime? Most professional jobs outside of the trades require a degree. In my own line of work is a minimum qualification. Yeah, the US needs lots of electricians and plumbers and carpenters, but it also needs lots of degreed people too.

[whitey]

As for the tired trope about useless degrees in fine art or the classics, most people who end up with these loans are just regular people who do not come from well-off families but who are nonetheless busting their arses to get a decent, useful degree to set themselves up.

But whose fault is it if they decide to take up a place on a shit degree course that offers no change in future employability vs. not going to College?

Theirs?
Their university's?
Or just shit luck?

Writing off loans would definitely be more palatable if the problem of chronic oversupply of graduates in many degrees of marginal usefulness.

However, just writing off loans without tackling the underlying problem would fuk me off too and I'd definitely not be in favour of it.


[Two wrongs don't make a right, so no strawmen please!]

Look at this (OK, UK, but expect it broadly similar everywhere):

Subject area    Employed Full time
Veterinary sciences    79.00%
Architecture & building    71.00%
Education and teaching    70.00%
Medicine and dentistry    69.00%
Engineering and technology    69.00%
Business and management    66.00%
Geography (social sciences)    65.00%
Computing    64.00%
Subjects allied to medicine    63.00%
Geography (natural sciences)    63.00%
Media, journalism and communications    62.00%
Law    61.00%
Mathematics sciences    60.00%
Social sciences    60.00%
Agriculture and food    58.00%
Physical sciences    55.00%
Psychology    53.00%
Biological and sport sciences    51.00%
Languages and related studies    49.00%
History, philosophy and religion    48.00%
Design, creative & performing arts    46.00%

Again, where is the evidence that all these exorbitant loans have been taken out by misguided idiots studying "shit" courses like Ancient Greek and Rome or Medieval French Poetry or something?

My wife did a degree in Chemistry, and it took us until fifteen years after she completed it for us to finish paying it off. And she works in an applied sciences field. She did not attend an exorbitantly priced private university in US terms.

And we were lucky we earned enough between us that we could seriously tackle the principle.

I've no idea if they'll ever tackle the issue of university costs (my kids will start in the next 5-10 years), but what are people supposed to do in the meantime? Most professional jobs outside of the trades require a degree. In my own line of work is a minimum qualification. Yeah, the US needs lots of electricians and plumbers and carpenters, but it also needs lots of degreed people too.

Problem is a lot of "kids" over here are spoilt brats and want to to to certain prestigious colleges because their friends go there or it's in a cool city.

My former boss' daughter went to BU for a Masters in Social Work-that was $80K per year 10 years ago-living in the Back Bay (one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the country)

I'm band smack in the middle of it right now

One of my guys got offered a spot at Providence College-$80K+ per year and zero merit scholarship or needs based aid

His number 2 choice was $70K per year with $35K merit scholarship and he's in the paid co-op program-making $5K per year.

You can do 2 years of Community College for free in some states and then transfer all your credits to a State School and only pay for the last two years

You can commute

One of my clients sons is at Trinity in Dublin ($35K) studying applied mathematics and computer science

[gallsman]

The fact that you see the issue here as people having the nerve to be ambitious, rather than the cost of tuition in the US, is absolutely mental. You are an imbecile.

[Milltown Row2]

My cousin has sorta come home, her two kids now go to top grammar school here and will go to college here. They will head home but it's going to work out far cheaper I'd say to go to the likes of Queens or even Trinity than one of the Ivy League colleges in the US which would cost a fortune and no guarantee

[whitey]

The fact that you see the issue here as people having the nerve to be ambitious, rather than the cost of tuition in the US, is absolutely mental. You are an imbecile.

Nothing whatsoever to do with ambition

For some jobs/professions it makes absolutely no difference where you go to school.  You will have exactly the same outcome

Eg....If you want to be a teacher or a social worker you can go to state school for $25-30K or you can pay $80K + to go to a private school (that's per year)

I think the imbecile is the one who would pay $80K when they'll end up with exactly the same job

[Keyser soze]

The Trump years are going to be the end of the hegemony of the USA as the self-styled 'leaders of the free world'.

At this stage it is only 'whiteys' that truly believe this, and a decreasing number of them at that. Most of the world never believed it, but now that there are means by which their shenanigans can be truly exposed an increasing number realise how malevolent their 'policing' has really been.

His madcap approach to trade and tariffs will only serve to strengthen BRICS and weaken the dollar as the go to currency.

Whilst this can only be a good thing in the long run, unfortunately a lot of poor people, in the USA and around the world, are going to suffer a lot of severe consequences whilst this transition is taking place, and there is every likelihood that there will be future major conflict before order is restored.

I feel that there is a distinct possibility that the USA will cease to be united at some point in the not too distant future, I just cannot see how you could have a rapprochement between MAGA people and democrats [and I have used a small d advisedly] and therefore a schism is an inevitablity.

[weareros]

I see Michéal finally got the invite. The hopes of Ireland and the whole EU now rest on his sole shoulders. He'll need to kiss the blarney stone before he departs. Can he pull a rabbit out of the bowl of shamrock. Maybe offer Trump the Irish Open at Doonbeg.

[whitey]

The Trump years are going to be the end of the hegemony of the USA as the self-styled 'leaders of the free world'.

At this stage it is only 'whiteys' that truly believe this, and a decreasing number of them at that. Most of the world never believed it, but now that there are means by which their shenanigans can be truly exposed an increasing number realise how malevolent their 'policing' has really been.

His madcap approach to trade and tariffs will only serve to strengthen BRICS and weaken the dollar as the go to currency.

Whilst this can only be a good thing in the long run, unfortunately a lot of poor people, in the USA and around the world, are going to suffer a lot of severe consequences whilst this transition is taking place, and there is every likelihood that there will be future major conflict before order is restored.

I feel that there is a distinct possibility that the USA will cease to be united at some point in the not too distant future, I just cannot see how you could have a rapprochement between MAGA people and democrats [and I have used a small d advisedly] and therefore a schism is an inevitablity.

Eh....you have misjudged my perspective

This country is completely fvcked

We're paying more in interest on our debt than we spend on the military (and that's saying something)

We let 10 M people enter the country illegally over the past 4 years

We have major cities where huge percentages of the population live in abject poverty with no hope of improving their station in life

There's a crisis in healthcare

Kids in school can't hardly read, write or do basic math

I'd say the top half of the population will be okay, but the bottom half and especially the bottom quartile are drifting further and further behind

[Orior]

Trump to press "Hey you, fake news, get out"

Vance "The UK does not allow free speech"

[Keyser soze]

The Trump years are going to be the end of the hegemony of the USA as the self-styled 'leaders of the free world'.

At this stage it is only 'whiteys' that truly believe this, and a decreasing number of them at that. Most of the world never believed it, but now that there are means by which their shenanigans can be truly exposed an increasing number realise how malevolent their 'policing' has really been.

His madcap approach to trade and tariffs will only serve to strengthen BRICS and weaken the dollar as the go to currency.

Whilst this can only be a good thing in the long run, unfortunately a lot of poor people, in the USA and around the world, are going to suffer a lot of severe consequences whilst this transition is taking place, and there is every likelihood that there will be future major conflict before order is restored.

I feel that there is a distinct possibility that the USA will cease to be united at some point in the not too distant future, I just cannot see how you could have a rapprochement between MAGA people and democrats [and I have used a small d advisedly] and therefore a schism is an inevitablity.

Eh....you have misjudged my perspective

This country is completely fvcked

We're paying more in interest on our debt than we spend on the military (and that's saying something)

We let 10 M people enter the country illegally over the past 4 years

We have major cities where huge percentages of the population live in abject poverty with no hope of improving their station in life

There's a crisis in healthcare

Kids in school can't hardly read, write or do basic math

I'd say the top half of the population will be okay, but the bottom half and especially the bottom quartile are drifting further and further behind

I didn't mean you personally, hence no capitalisation, but westerners, who are generally white. Might well include you though 

[Milltown Row2]

The Trump years are going to be the end of the hegemony of the USA as the self-styled 'leaders of the free world'.

At this stage it is only 'whiteys' that truly believe this, and a decreasing number of them at that. Most of the world never believed it, but now that there are means by which their shenanigans can be truly exposed an increasing number realise how malevolent their 'policing' has really been.

His madcap approach to trade and tariffs will only serve to strengthen BRICS and weaken the dollar as the go to currency.

Whilst this can only be a good thing in the long run, unfortunately a lot of poor people, in the USA and around the world, are going to suffer a lot of severe consequences whilst this transition is taking place, and there is every likelihood that there will be future major conflict before order is restored.

I feel that there is a distinct possibility that the USA will cease to be united at some point in the not too distant future, I just cannot see how you could have a rapprochement between MAGA people and democrats [and I have used a small d advisedly] and therefore a schism is an inevitablity.

Could the likes of California become an independent country? and secondly could it sustain itself?   

[Louther]

It's like they have a playbook of words when things start to go bad they flood the social media channels with it.

Hunters Laptop.
Fentanyl
Immigrants

Now it's back to The Epstein Files.

They would eat themselves not to be proven wrong. And not Trump, I mean this whole Cult movement - MAGA.

[whitey]

It's like they have a playbook of words when things start to go bad they flood the social media channels with it.

Hunters Laptop.
Fentanyl
Immigrants

Now it's back to The Epstein Files.

They would eat themselves not to be proven wrong. And not Trump, I mean this whole Cult movement - MAGA.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/28/politics/hunter-biden-joe-biden-2017-text-message


"I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled," according to testimony the whistleblower gave to Congress, which quotes from texts that are allegedly from Hunter Biden to the CEO of a Chinese fund management company.

The message continues: "Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand. And now means tonight." The message goes onto say, "I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father"


Nothing to see folks. Please move right along