Antrim Football Thread

[Milltown Row2]

From the Irish Examiner

Central Council are expected to be charged with endorsing an amendment or two to the new football rules, following Football Review Committee (FRC) meetings over the coming days.
The question is when they will come into force – for the final two rounds of the league on March 15/16 and 22/23 or the start of the provincial championships.
And the other question - what may they be?



Black and red cards.

In Pomeroy, Tyrone managed with the help of a couple of Michael McKernan two-pointers to outscore Kerry 0-4 to 0-1 for the first-half period while Eoin McElholm was in the sin bin for a black card.
In the second half, Tyrone failed to score for the combined 13 minutes Joe O'Connor and David Clifford were off the field while Dylan Casey scored a point for Kerry. With Clifford yet to return to the fray, Paul Geaney converted a free.
In other instances like Galway v Donegal later that afternoon aswell as Mayo v Armagh and Cavan v Westmeath, teams that were supposed to be numerically disadvantaged were compensated by not having to keep as many players in the opposition's half.

A day after Jim McGuinness described the circumstances that led to that anomaly in Salthill as "farcical", FRC member Éamonn Fitzmaurice admitted it's an area they have to address.
The body might simply insist teams have to abide by the three-up rule at all times. That would re-enforce the need for discipline but it may lend to more lopsided results, which is the very reason why they jettisoned the increase of a goal to four points.
Allowing the team with more players to simply mirror what the opposition is doing and drop back a player into their own half could solve the issue.
Whatever about a red card, there's the alternative of returning the black card to an automatic replacement thereby ensuring there is numerical parity. That could also allow them to increase the number of substitutes to six as was the case before the sin bin was introduced in 2020.

Although data has yet to show that the game is more demanding, managers have been calling for more interchanges.
Expectation: Change on the way.

12 v 11.

The overload being created by advanced goalkeepers is the bane of managers. We can count five who have at some stage or another complained about them – Ger Brennan, John Cleary, Dessie Farrell, Dermot McCabe and Paddy Tally.
The advantage given to those teams with keepers who are comfortable heading up the field is obvious but the risks are clear too. Shane Ryan was almost caught in no man's land last weekend and in better weather we could see more goals scored on the break as netminders scurry back to the literal and metaphorical posts.

At the same time, the extra player sure comes in handy in retaining the football and killing the clock.
It may just be that the FRC either restricts goalkeepers to kick-passing beyond the halfway line or prohibits them from crossing it in open play but compensating for that by allowing them to take and make passes from anywhere inside their own half to see if that helps but that could have drawbacks too.

Expectation: An amendment is likely.


Kick-outs.

Seeing as the longer restarts have added to the amount of contests and there is genuine excitement and expectation about their outcome, the FRC may be reluctant to take their former member Malachy O'Rourke's advice and relax the kick-out length from clearing the 40-metre arc to the "D".

O'Rourke might be drowned out on this one but the FRC will want to see the amount of kick-out marks claimed and breaking ball compared with last season.

Expectation: Too early to call.


Clock/hooter.
It appears the FRC are going to persevere with the technology for the moment even though it counts up rather than down as was envisaged and it doesn't have the full support of the Central Competitions Control Committee.
There has been plenty of dramatic finishes where clock/hooters have been involved but the "negative possession" argument against it has also been underlined by teams playing keep-ball knowing what remains on the clock.

Expectation: Nothing just yet.


50-metre penalty.
Referees at inter-county level at least are feeling more empowered because of the new disciplinary rules but some match officials' interpretations of players not handing the ball back to opponents or delaying the play could be questioned.
It was they who wanted the 50m advancement, the FRC suggested 30m. The severity of the punishment could become more of a deterrent than a reality but infringing players in future might be allowed to drop, roll or throw the ball instead of having to hand it to their opponent.

Expectation: A tweak but maybe before championship.

[paddyjohn]

Any updated management teams from across the county?

[Milltown Row2]

Any updated management teams from across the county?

John mighty Raff looking after Aldergrove

[paddyjohn]

Any updated management teams from across the county?

John mighty Raff looking after Aldergrove

Great fella.

[marty34]

Any updated management teams from across the county?

John mighty Raff looking after Aldergrove

Great fella.

Any updated management teams from across the county?

John mighty Raff looking after Aldergrove

More clubs than Tiger Woods.

[Milltown Row2]

Honestly for me, as biased as I am, I never seen a man put in as much effort for us as a player and as a manager. Good all round man

[FactCheck]

There is no consistency because the rules have changed so much since this has started

But hey ho lets just stick to zero tolerance, any vocal dissent of any kind from the pitch to the sideline will be met with a 50m free

2 weeks away from the fireworks

Can a free be given for dissent if no foul is given?

if someone see's a challenge as a foul that the ref doesn't give and that person gives verbal abuse to the ref can the ref give a free?

Or is it only dissent after fouls?

You could always stop play give a yellow card and depending on who had the ball either give it a hop ball or non direct free. But think I heard one's saying frees can be overturned? Again from games I've done or watched it's changed from one ref to the next, and that's on the national stage

dissent is a foul and a 50m mark

no ifs or buts of maybes

when a player gives off to a ref, even if he's right in what he might be screaming, then it's dissent and it's a free

i can't see why any ref would not be in favour of this rule and look for reasons as to not enforce the rules as stated

it's shows the bias that goes on and the lack of consistency in truth and that's not a dig MR2

everyone has their own bias

[Milltown Row2]

There is no consistency because the rules have changed so much since this has started

But hey ho lets just stick to zero tolerance, any vocal dissent of any kind from the pitch to the sideline will be met with a 50m free

2 weeks away from the fireworks

Can a free be given for dissent if no foul is given?

if someone see's a challenge as a foul that the ref doesn't give and that person gives verbal abuse to the ref can the ref give a free?

Or is it only dissent after fouls?

You could always stop play give a yellow card and depending on who had the ball either give it a hop ball or non direct free. But think I heard one's saying frees can be overturned? Again from games I've done or watched it's changed from one ref to the next, and that's on the national stage

dissent is a foul and a 50m mark

no ifs or buts of maybes

when a player gives off to a ref, even if he's right in what he might be screaming, then it's dissent and it's a free

i can't see why any ref would not be in favour of this rule and look for reasons as to not enforce the rules as stated

it's shows the bias that goes on and the lack of consistency in truth and that's not a dig MR2

everyone has their own bias

How's it bias if you are consistently doing it to everyone?

[Milltown Row2]

An email has been sent to counties and referees updating the guidance on the application of the new football rules.

The correspondance on the New Football Rules issued by the Football Review Committee and National Referees in an email from National Match Officials Manager Donal Smyth.

Guidance on application of the new Football Rules

SOLO & GO

i. The ball is spilled/ fumbled by a player in the act of taking a toe-tap for the purposes  of starting a solo & go - the solo & go is cancelled and a free kick is taken from the  original position of the foul. A subsequent solo & go may not be taken.

ii. When taking a solo & go a player must take the toe-tap within 4m of the position of  the original foul. A player is allowed to carry the ball up to this 4m point and the toe tap must be completed before he reaches this point i.e. 4m from where the foul  occurred. The player cannot be challenged for 4m beyond the point of where he took  the toe-tap, for the purpose of starting a solo & go.


iii. If the player takes a toe-tap to start a solo & go beyond 4m where the foul occurred - it is a 'hop ball' as this is a breach of Rule 4.24 (a) "To advance the ball deliberately from  the place at which a free kick or sideline kick is to be taken. Penalty: Cancel the Free kick and Throw in the ball

HANDING BACK THE BALL

• In the situation where a player takes possession of the ball after a foul has occurred  but is not on the team of the player awarded the free kick - where the player in  possession of the ball is not in the immediate vicinity of an opposition player/or the  player fouled, for the purposes of not delaying his opponent taking a free kick, he may  pass the ball to a teammate who will in turn "hand over the ball" to the nearest  opposition player, or the player fouled.

• Example: A goalkeeper standing on his goal line caught the ball after it was kicked in  from distance by the opposition. The referee then called the ball back for a free - if  there was no opposition player beside him, the goalkeeper may pass the ball back  out the field to a teammate, who can then "hand over the ball" to the nearest  opposition players or the player fouled (rather than the goalkeeper having to leave his  goal line and travel out the field to hand over the ball).

PLAY ON IMMEDIATELY – Advanced Mark

Rule 2.12 – has been amended by Motion as follows:

"If the referee deems that a clear advantage has accrued to the team of the player  awarded the Mark, the advantage ends and the referee will indicate that by saying  "advantage over", lowering their arm and allowing play to continue as normal".

• If a point or goal is scored from the 'Play on immediately – Advanced Mark' regardless  of the score, it will be considered that the advantage is over.

DISSENT

Examples of players calling "Steps ref", "How long ref" or "Pick up ref" do not warrant a 50m  advancement of the ball.

Players

The penalty for the foul described in Rule 6 - Dissent - Rule 6.4 (i.e. "To show dissent  with the Referee's decision to award a free kick to the opposing team") The free  kick already awarded shall be taken from a place 50m more advantageous than the  place of original kick, up to the13m line. If the ball is advanced inside the 40m, the  team awarded the free kick may choose to take it outside the 40m arc. 

Managers/ Team Officials

It is not in rule to advance the ball 50m if a Team Officials shows dissent with Rule 6.4  i.e. "To show dissent with the Referee's decision to award a free kick to the opposing  team", as Dissent Rule 6.4 is only for players.

However, what is in rule is if a Team Official receives a Yellow or Red Card (for  committing any of the five categories of infractions in Rule 5 – Rules of Control - Misconduct at Games) a free kick is awarded on the offending team's 13m line. This  includes a Yellow Card for challenging the authority of a Match Official; or a Red  Card for using abusive language to a Match Official. The team awarded the 13m free kick have the option to take the free kick outside the 40m arc. Note: Selectors,  Medical staff, Maor Uisce etc. are considered Team Officials.

TIME WASTING

Free Kick

• For the purposes players deliberately time wasting when taking a free kick, as a  guideline a delay of over 20 seconds from when the free is awarded until the ball is  kicked, may be considered an infraction of the relevant rules

Kickout

• As a guideline 20 seconds should be used as a reference from the moment the  referee blows their whistle to signal a score or wide until the ball is kicked out.

GOALKEEPER

• If a team has a goalkeeper sent off for a Black or Red Card, he must be replaced i.e. a  team must always have a goalkeeper on the field of play (the exception is if the  goalkeeper is off the field receiving treatment for an injury)

[Saffron_sam20]

An email has been sent to counties and referees updating the guidance on the application of the new football rules.

The correspondance on the New Football Rules issued by the Football Review Committee and National Referees in an email from National Match Officials Manager Donal Smyth.

Guidance on application of the new Football Rules

SOLO & GO

i. The ball is spilled/ fumbled by a player in the act of taking a toe-tap for the purposes  of starting a solo & go - the solo & go is cancelled and a free kick is taken from the  original position of the foul. A subsequent solo & go may not be taken.

ii. When taking a solo & go a player must take the toe-tap within 4m of the position of  the original foul. A player is allowed to carry the ball up to this 4m point and the toe tap must be completed before he reaches this point i.e. 4m from where the foul  occurred. The player cannot be challenged for 4m beyond the point of where he took  the toe-tap, for the purpose of starting a solo & go.


iii. If the player takes a toe-tap to start a solo & go beyond 4m where the foul occurred - it is a 'hop ball' as this is a breach of Rule 4.24 (a) "To advance the ball deliberately from  the place at which a free kick or sideline kick is to be taken. Penalty: Cancel the Free kick and Throw in the ball

HANDING BACK THE BALL

• In the situation where a player takes possession of the ball after a foul has occurred  but is not on the team of the player awarded the free kick - where the player in  possession of the ball is not in the immediate vicinity of an opposition player/or the  player fouled, for the purposes of not delaying his opponent taking a free kick, he may  pass the ball to a teammate who will in turn "hand over the ball" to the nearest  opposition player, or the player fouled.

• Example: A goalkeeper standing on his goal line caught the ball after it was kicked in  from distance by the opposition. The referee then called the ball back for a free - if  there was no opposition player beside him, the goalkeeper may pass the ball back  out the field to a teammate, who can then "hand over the ball" to the nearest  opposition players or the player fouled (rather than the goalkeeper having to leave his  goal line and travel out the field to hand over the ball).

PLAY ON IMMEDIATELY – Advanced Mark

Rule 2.12 – has been amended by Motion as follows:

"If the referee deems that a clear advantage has accrued to the team of the player  awarded the Mark, the advantage ends and the referee will indicate that by saying  "advantage over", lowering their arm and allowing play to continue as normal".

• If a point or goal is scored from the 'Play on immediately – Advanced Mark' regardless  of the score, it will be considered that the advantage is over.

DISSENT

Examples of players calling "Steps ref", "How long ref" or "Pick up ref" do not warrant a 50m  advancement of the ball.

Players

The penalty for the foul described in Rule 6 - Dissent - Rule 6.4 (i.e. "To show dissent  with the Referee's decision to award a free kick to the opposing team") The free  kick already awarded shall be taken from a place 50m more advantageous than the  place of original kick, up to the13m line. If the ball is advanced inside the 40m, the  team awarded the free kick may choose to take it outside the 40m arc. 

Managers/ Team Officials

It is not in rule to advance the ball 50m if a Team Officials shows dissent with Rule 6.4  i.e. "To show dissent with the Referee's decision to award a free kick to the opposing  team", as Dissent Rule 6.4 is only for players.

However, what is in rule is if a Team Official receives a Yellow or Red Card (for  committing any of the five categories of infractions in Rule 5 – Rules of Control - Misconduct at Games) a free kick is awarded on the offending team's 13m line. This  includes a Yellow Card for challenging the authority of a Match Official; or a Red  Card for using abusive language to a Match Official. The team awarded the 13m free kick have the option to take the free kick outside the 40m arc. Note: Selectors,  Medical staff, Maor Uisce etc. are considered Team Officials.

TIME WASTING

Free Kick

• For the purposes players deliberately time wasting when taking a free kick, as a  guideline a delay of over 20 seconds from when the free is awarded until the ball is  kicked, may be considered an infraction of the relevant rules

Kickout

• As a guideline 20 seconds should be used as a reference from the moment the  referee blows their whistle to signal a score or wide until the ball is kicked out.

GOALKEEPER

• If a team has a goalkeeper sent off for a Black or Red Card, he must be replaced i.e. a  team must always have a goalkeeper on the field of play (the exception is if the  goalkeeper is off the field receiving treatment for an injury)

Would the bit highlighted stop goalkeepers taking ages to come up and hit a free? If so I'd love to see that enforced, completely kills game momentum

[YoungSaff]

What are the predictions for the O'Cahan Cup games at the weekend

I fancy us to pip Moneyglass by 42 !

Randalstown to beat Ahoghill by 5

PG1 to beat dunloy by 10+

Cargin to beat ballymena by 3

[YoungSaff]

meant by 2 for the first one  !!

[paddyjohn]

meant by 2 for the first one  !!

Both of you are rubbish. Should just combine and make one team.

[Milltown Row2]

An email has been sent to counties and referees updating the guidance on the application of the new football rules.

The correspondance on the New Football Rules issued by the Football Review Committee and National Referees in an email from National Match Officials Manager Donal Smyth.

Guidance on application of the new Football Rules

SOLO & GO

i. The ball is spilled/ fumbled by a player in the act of taking a toe-tap for the purposes  of starting a solo & go - the solo & go is cancelled and a free kick is taken from the  original position of the foul. A subsequent solo & go may not be taken.

ii. When taking a solo & go a player must take the toe-tap within 4m of the position of  the original foul. A player is allowed to carry the ball up to this 4m point and the toe tap must be completed before he reaches this point i.e. 4m from where the foul  occurred. The player cannot be challenged for 4m beyond the point of where he took  the toe-tap, for the purpose of starting a solo & go.


iii. If the player takes a toe-tap to start a solo & go beyond 4m where the foul occurred - it is a 'hop ball' as this is a breach of Rule 4.24 (a) "To advance the ball deliberately from  the place at which a free kick or sideline kick is to be taken. Penalty: Cancel the Free kick and Throw in the ball

HANDING BACK THE BALL

• In the situation where a player takes possession of the ball after a foul has occurred  but is not on the team of the player awarded the free kick - where the player in  possession of the ball is not in the immediate vicinity of an opposition player/or the  player fouled, for the purposes of not delaying his opponent taking a free kick, he may  pass the ball to a teammate who will in turn "hand over the ball" to the nearest  opposition player, or the player fouled.

• Example: A goalkeeper standing on his goal line caught the ball after it was kicked in  from distance by the opposition. The referee then called the ball back for a free - if  there was no opposition player beside him, the goalkeeper may pass the ball back  out the field to a teammate, who can then "hand over the ball" to the nearest  opposition players or the player fouled (rather than the goalkeeper having to leave his  goal line and travel out the field to hand over the ball).

PLAY ON IMMEDIATELY – Advanced Mark

Rule 2.12 – has been amended by Motion as follows:

"If the referee deems that a clear advantage has accrued to the team of the player  awarded the Mark, the advantage ends and the referee will indicate that by saying  "advantage over", lowering their arm and allowing play to continue as normal".

• If a point or goal is scored from the 'Play on immediately – Advanced Mark' regardless  of the score, it will be considered that the advantage is over.

DISSENT

Examples of players calling "Steps ref", "How long ref" or "Pick up ref" do not warrant a 50m  advancement of the ball.

Players

The penalty for the foul described in Rule 6 - Dissent - Rule 6.4 (i.e. "To show dissent  with the Referee's decision to award a free kick to the opposing team") The free  kick already awarded shall be taken from a place 50m more advantageous than the  place of original kick, up to the13m line. If the ball is advanced inside the 40m, the  team awarded the free kick may choose to take it outside the 40m arc. 

Managers/ Team Officials

It is not in rule to advance the ball 50m if a Team Officials shows dissent with Rule 6.4  i.e. "To show dissent with the Referee's decision to award a free kick to the opposing  team", as Dissent Rule 6.4 is only for players.

However, what is in rule is if a Team Official receives a Yellow or Red Card (for  committing any of the five categories of infractions in Rule 5 – Rules of Control - Misconduct at Games) a free kick is awarded on the offending team's 13m line. This  includes a Yellow Card for challenging the authority of a Match Official; or a Red  Card for using abusive language to a Match Official. The team awarded the 13m free kick have the option to take the free kick outside the 40m arc. Note: Selectors,  Medical staff, Maor Uisce etc. are considered Team Officials.

TIME WASTING

Free Kick

• For the purposes players deliberately time wasting when taking a free kick, as a  guideline a delay of over 20 seconds from when the free is awarded until the ball is  kicked, may be considered an infraction of the relevant rules

Kickout

• As a guideline 20 seconds should be used as a reference from the moment the  referee blows their whistle to signal a score or wide until the ball is kicked out.

GOALKEEPER

• If a team has a goalkeeper sent off for a Black or Red Card, he must be replaced i.e. a  team must always have a goalkeeper on the field of play (the exception is if the  goalkeeper is off the field receiving treatment for an injury)

Would the bit highlighted stop goalkeepers taking ages to come up and hit a free? If so I'd love to see that enforced, completely kills game momentum

Most keepers will be outfield lol..

I think the the clock/hooter has maybe highlighted this more

[Gaels1789]

meant by 2 for the first one  !!

Both of you are rubbish. Should just combine and make one team.

What relevance does that have to a prediction, sour one there, who's your club playing???