Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Armagh18]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

w**ker of a rule. I've a lot of time for Gavin but he comes across as a condescending p***k at times when discussing these rules.

[DubsforSam]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

w**ker of a rule. I've a lot of time for Gavin but he comes across as a condescending p***k at times when discussing these rules.

Why should the team committing a foul get the benefit of slowing down the other team to enable them to get back into defensive shape?

[manwithnoplan]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

w**ker of a rule. I've a lot of time for Gavin but he comes across as a condescending p***k at times when discussing these rules.

Why should the team committing a foul get the benefit of slowing down the other team to enable them to get back into defensive shape?

If it's a free for a foul on the ball, and not an opponent, it is a bit ridiculous to expect a player to perhaps run 10 or 20 yards to the nearest opponent to hand over the ball, considering the initial offence actually impeded their own team anyway. Ball should be set down, and the onus on the other team to go get it and get their attack going. Run 20 yards, hand over the ball, then there's a 'solo and go' and that man is out of the game altogether? The punishment in this case far outweighs the crime.

For my own clarity, once a 'solo and go' is done, how long do the defensive team have to wait to put a challenge in? Is this open for abuse by players taking the solo and go, then just running in to a nearby opponent?

[thebigfullforward]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

That's rule, gives it to the nearest player. Just don't over carry the ball should sort that scenario out though

So you think what happened in the first 30 seconds of the Monaghan Cavan game was fair? Player gets fouled, takes his solo and go, ref gives a free to Cavan (?), player literally drops it at the feet of the Cavan man so it's brought in for a guaranteed point.

[Milltown Row2]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

That's rule, gives it to the nearest player. Just don't over carry the ball should sort that scenario out though

So you think what happened in the first 30 seconds of the Monaghan Cavan game was fair? Player gets fouled, takes his solo and go, ref gives a free to Cavan (?), player literally drops it at the feet of the Cavan man so it's brought in for a guaranteed point.

Its not what's fair, the player knew he had to give the player the ball, not drop it at his feet or throw it to him or  leave it where it was

There were lots of occasions from the games I watched that common sense was used and to be fair the players reacted as normal people not spoilt brats when the ball wasn't gift wrapped to them.

The national referees are also under pressure to perform as per rule or risk getting a low assessment and not be considered for the next game or a game at a higher level.

Personally dropping it at his feet or throwing it back to him should be acceptable, or as I said the onus is on the player not to foul the ball

[thebigfullforward]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

That's rule, gives it to the nearest player. Just don't over carry the ball should sort that scenario out though

So you think what happened in the first 30 seconds of the Monaghan Cavan game was fair? Player gets fouled, takes his solo and go, ref gives a free to Cavan (?), player literally drops it at the feet of the Cavan man so it's brought in for a guaranteed point.

Its not what's fair, the player knew he had to give the player the ball, not drop it at his feet or throw it to him or  leave it where it was

There were lots of occasions from the games I watched that common sense was used and to be fair the players reacted as normal people not spoilt brats when the ball wasn't gift wrapped to them.

The national referees are also under pressure to perform as per rule or risk getting a low assessment and not be considered for the next game or a game at a higher level.

Personally dropping it at his feet or throwing it back to him should be acceptable, or as I said the onus is on the player not to foul the ball

Maybe the refs and umpires should've gotten more games to practice in then because it seemed like a lot of things were missed across the weekend. I'm sure you've heard that clip (sorry can't remember what podcast it was, think it was Aaron Kernan and Colm Parkinson) where a player was fouled and he ran away from the ball and the opposition player ran back to track him so he left the ball on the ground. What's the craic with that one? Do you have to let your man run up the pitch with no-one marking him and wait for someone to take the ball off you? As you said refs are under pressure to follow the rules properly or risk not getting the higher profile games so you can sympathise with them about that. Genuinely laughed out loud when I heard that and the one about the boy putting on an Antrim accent to get the free for dissent though

[Armagh18]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

w**ker of a rule. I've a lot of time for Gavin but he comes across as a condescending p***k at times when discussing these rules.

Why should the team committing a foul get the benefit of slowing down the other team to enable them to get back into defensive shape?

If it's a free for a foul on the ball, and not an opponent, it is a bit ridiculous to expect a player to perhaps run 10 or 20 yards to the nearest opponent to hand over the ball, considering the initial offence actually impeded their own team anyway. Ball should be set down, and the onus on the other team to go get it and get their attack going. Run 20 yards, hand over the ball, then there's a 'solo and go' and that man is out of the game altogether? The punishment in this case far outweighs the crime.

For my own clarity, once a 'solo and go' is done, how long do the defensive team have to wait to put a challenge in? Is this open for abuse by players taking the solo and go, then just running in to a nearby opponent?

4m, and yes it definitely is. Depending on the ref I'd say a lot will buy it if the player taking the solo and go just runs into the man

[Truth hurts]

If you score from outside the 45-metre line during open play, you receive two points. I would remove the scoring ARC.

When you give up a free , sit the ball on the ground and move on .

I hope the FRC tidy the rules up However, they are constructive, and we must work with them.

[Milltown Row2]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

w**ker of a rule. I've a lot of time for Gavin but he comes across as a condescending p***k at times when discussing these rules.

Why should the team committing a foul get the benefit of slowing down the other team to enable them to get back into defensive shape?

If it's a free for a foul on the ball, and not an opponent, it is a bit ridiculous to expect a player to perhaps run 10 or 20 yards to the nearest opponent to hand over the ball, considering the initial offence actually impeded their own team anyway. Ball should be set down, and the onus on the other team to go get it and get their attack going. Run 20 yards, hand over the ball, then there's a 'solo and go' and that man is out of the game altogether? The punishment in this case far outweighs the crime.

For my own clarity, once a 'solo and go' is done, how long do the defensive team have to wait to put a challenge in? Is this open for abuse by players taking the solo and go, then just running in to a nearby opponent?

4m, and yes it definitely is. Depending on the ref I'd say a lot will buy it if the player taking the solo and go just runs into the man

You know if a player just runs into someone (unlike the ballinderry game) its a foul? If the whistle is blown, if you are in possession give the ball back, the player can solo go and if but if he deliberately runs into someone, the ref should just over turn it to a foul the other way. Will cancel that malarky out

[GTP]

Is the 50m penalty for all forms of delaying a retake? (free) - In the Tyrone, Derry game - Baker got penalised when the ball was between his knees and he was on the ground, Doherty for kicking the ball away a couple of metres
- At neither time was the Derry player in possession of the ball so they were not obligated to hand it back so that part of the 'rule enhancements' shoud not have applied.

[tbrick18]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

I had no idea this was a rule!
So if I foul the ball on the 21, and the nearest opposition player is 10m away I have to go give him the ball and he can take a free from there? Not where the foul occurred?
If they're being strict about the rules, then that opposition player would have to carry the ball back 10m to where the original foul was, otherwise he's taking it from the wrong place and its a hop ball?

Holding the ball or throwing it away I get, but surely setting the ball down and moving on is the sensible rule.
There was a 50m advantage given to Tyrone on Sat night against Derry. Derry player was in around the Tyrone end line, was on the ground, 3 defenders around him/on him and he couldn't get up. Ref blows the free for overcarrying - fair enough. But he wasn't able to immediately get up as he had to wait for the defenders to get off him so the ref gave the 50m advantage. I thought that was harsh.

[tiempo]

If the ball isn't in your hand you can't hand it back, teams will soon cotton on and foul in ways so as not to incur the penalty

[thebigfullforward]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

w**ker of a rule. I've a lot of time for Gavin but he comes across as a condescending p***k at times when discussing these rules.

Why should the team committing a foul get the benefit of slowing down the other team to enable them to get back into defensive shape?

If it's a free for a foul on the ball, and not an opponent, it is a bit ridiculous to expect a player to perhaps run 10 or 20 yards to the nearest opponent to hand over the ball, considering the initial offence actually impeded their own team anyway. Ball should be set down, and the onus on the other team to go get it and get their attack going. Run 20 yards, hand over the ball, then there's a 'solo and go' and that man is out of the game altogether? The punishment in this case far outweighs the crime.

For my own clarity, once a 'solo and go' is done, how long do the defensive team have to wait to put a challenge in? Is this open for abuse by players taking the solo and go, then just running in to a nearby opponent?

4m, and yes it definitely is. Depending on the ref I'd say a lot will buy it if the player taking the solo and go just runs into the man

You know if a player just runs into someone (unlike the ballinderry game) its a foul? If the whistle is blown, if you are in possession give the ball back, the player can solo go and if but if he deliberately runs into someone, the ref should just over turn it to a foul the other way. Will cancel that malarky out

So it's up to the refs discretion whether a player intentionally ran into someone else or not? No difference to how it was before I guess but before you weren't incorrectly punished with a free against you that's brought up 50m

[johnnycool]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

Surely irrespective of who you "hand it over" to is it not still the referee's responsibility to ensure the free/tap and go is taken from the place of the original foul?

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I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

If that were only so.
Some refs penalised the "stop a quick free" with dogmatic reference to this (nonsensical) answer offered by the FRC.

If I over-carry the ball and the referee calls a foul, can I not just drop the ball and get myself into a defensive position?

A. No. In this scenario if you don't "hand over" the ball by giving it directly to the nearest opposition player in a prompt and respectful manner, the referee will consider that you are purposefully delay play will advance the ball 50m 

w**ker of a rule. I've a lot of time for Gavin but he comes across as a condescending p***k at times when discussing these rules.

Why should the team committing a foul get the benefit of slowing down the other team to enable them to get back into defensive shape?

If it's a free for a foul on the ball, and not an opponent, it is a bit ridiculous to expect a player to perhaps run 10 or 20 yards to the nearest opponent to hand over the ball, considering the initial offence actually impeded their own team anyway. Ball should be set down, and the onus on the other team to go get it and get their attack going. Run 20 yards, hand over the ball, then there's a 'solo and go' and that man is out of the game altogether? The punishment in this case far outweighs the crime.

For my own clarity, once a 'solo and go' is done, how long do the defensive team have to wait to put a challenge in? Is this open for abuse by players taking the solo and go, then just running in to a nearby opponent?

4m, and yes it definitely is. Depending on the ref I'd say a lot will buy it if the player taking the solo and go just runs into the man

You know if a player just runs into someone (unlike the ballinderry game) its a foul? If the whistle is blown, if you are in possession give the ball back, the player can solo go and if but if he deliberately runs into someone, the ref should just over turn it to a foul the other way. Will cancel that malarky out

So it's up to the refs discretion whether a player intentionally ran into someone else or not? No difference to how it was before I guess but before you weren't incorrectly punished with a free against you that's brought up 50m

It will be the ref's call on whether someone is acting the dick or not. There are genuine times for me that its impossible to release the ball quick if lads are around you, so common sense should be used, but if you know he's acting a dick then just move it forward, hopefully the next time he'll understand...

Did a seminar at the weekend, and we had about 8 or 9 issues that we had concerns with, looking for clarifications on them, as we didn't at the time, with those who were there that have been involved in the set up of the rules.. So even the rule makers still are querying the rules..

A lot of this because not all scenarios have been examined properly enough and whether the consequences equal the crime