Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Milltown Row2]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

The chances of the ball going over from outside the arc with anything other than the slightest of touches / deflection is incredibly slim... Couldn't see a ref not giving the 2 points... What say the resident ref?

We were told on Sat that any touch inside that zone means it is a one pointer, now common sense would say nah, fully deserves a 2 pointer buy no, bit like the mark if he claims a ball from heaven and it happens to touch a glove before it reaches his hand, no mark, play on.

Again anybody that sees the rule book as black and white would struggle with common sense but 'thems' the rules 

[Main Street]

I think ditching the pre-league tournaments was a mistake, those 'competitive' games would have offered a lot more practice/learning to players and refs than just the challenge games.

[Armagh18]

Paddy Tally is on the ball when he says that the attacking goalkeeper is killing the game by giving the attacking team a 12 v 11 advantage. Goalkeepers should be confined to their own small parallelogram.

In my opinion the 40m arc and 2-pointers are no addition to the game. The pattern of attacking play now revolves mainly around this arc and completely changes the nature of the game that we knew before the possession game took over.

Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness may have brought success to their counties with their tactics but their legacy is a bastardised game.

Maybe if teams pushed up and didn't retreat into the 40m zone then the keeper doesn't become such a threat.

The issue here isn't the rule so much as the culture within GAA management teams for convoluting things, and for pushing the rulebook to create perceived advantages, whether they exist or not, instead of setting a context for sport.

By accident rather than design, Armagh ended up with a goalkeeper rather than a midfielder in goals for 2024.

The effect? Less emphasis on "trick plays" and more emphasis on playing your own position.

So instead of Ethan Rafferty finding space and running between the lines, the likes of Conaty and Grimley did this role instead.

The outcome? Well Armagh won an AI conceding a goal every 5 games or so. Blaine became the third no.1 in a row to win an AI without ever crossing out of his own 45.

The knock on effect? Negligible it seems. The media continue convincing themselves that Niall Morgan is the MVP of the country, whilst GAA management teams up and down the country are still convincing themselves they need to create Niall Morgan clones.

Niall Morgan pinging points or brilliant passes into the forward line isn't a problem (unless you happen to support the team playing Tyrone) if you are a neutral, (if that's possible when Tyrone play ) he is a class player to watch. And Blaine definitely came up the field as a pivot a fair bit last year, although not in the final due to a knee injury.

[donelli]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

[Smokin Joe]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

The chances of the ball going over from outside the arc with anything other than the slightest of touches / deflection is incredibly slim... Couldn't see a ref not giving the 2 points... What say the resident ref?

I think the most likely way this is to happen is a goalkeeper gets a finger / hand to a shot, and palms it over the bar.  In that case it would be 1 point, even if shot from outside the arc

[Milltown Row2]

I was at the Cavan Monaghan game at the weekend. Thoughts on the new rules:

1v1 throw in: irrelevant enough. makes no difference either way.

dissent rule: has to be binned straight away. The ref brought the ball up about 10 times for 'dissent', most of which are questionable. 50m is a ridiculous penalty and wont be managable at the club game as it gives the referee too much influence. By the 2nd half on Saturday, the crowd were actually laughing at the decisions for this farcical rule. 

the 3 inside: is workable. appears to be self policed by the players. It creates less congestion in the defending end and attacks can be penetrated better with more space available.

kick outs beyond 40m: very good addition. created a lot of aerial battles and duals.

2 point arc: will influence the game a lot, particularly if strength of the wind increases/decreases etc. Th downside of it is that is completely devalues a goal.

solo and go: quicks the game. very difficulty for the defender though.

no back pass for the goalie: good addition too. created more pressing high up.

roaming goalie in attacking half: teams choice. Both teams adopted this on Saturday. Monaghan probably won the game as their keeper was better at being the 'spare man'. If this stays, there will be less 'natural' keepers in no. 1 and id imagine managers will revert to a midfielder with a good place ball kick.

overall it was a good open game with plenty of entertainment for the supporters.

Are you implying the ref will go out of his way to move the ball forward for dissent? Think its simple enough, players don't stop a quick solo/free and don't talk back to ref after he has given his decision and reason why. Not sure on the only captains rule but hey ho

[JoG2]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

The chances of the ball going over from outside the arc with anything other than the slightest of touches / deflection is incredibly slim... Couldn't see a ref not giving the 2 points... What say the resident ref?

I think the most likely way this is to happen is a goalkeeper gets a finger / hand to a shot, and palms it over the bar.  In that case it would be 1 point, even if shot from outside the arc

Most likely is right

[AustinPowers]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

So, a kick outside the arc  that doesn't reach the goal , but bounces  10 yards out, before  going  over the bar is worth 2 points?

Yet a kick outside the arc that  a defender gets a slight block on but still goes  over the bar , is only worth 1 point?

That is bonkers

[Milltown Row2]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

So, a kick outside the arc  that doesn't reach the goal , but bounces  10 yards out, before  going  over the bar is worth 2 points?

Yet a kick outside the arc that  a defender gets a slight block on but still goes  over the bar , is only worth 1 point?

That is bonkers

That's bonkers? The fact that games has had so many rule changes in so few years isn't?

[Armagh18]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

So, a kick outside the arc  that doesn't reach the goal , but bounces  10 yards out, before  going  over the bar is worth 2 points?

Yet a kick outside the arc that  a defender gets a slight block on but still goes  over the bar , is only worth 1 point?

That is bonkers

It's all bonkers.

But in fairness if you're letting the ball bounce over the bar you deserve it

[AustinPowers]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

So, a kick outside the arc  that doesn't reach the goal , but bounces  10 yards out, before  going  over the bar is worth 2 points?

Yet a kick outside the arc that  a defender gets a slight block on but still goes  over the bar , is only worth 1 point?

That is bonkers

It's all bonkers.

But in fairness if you're letting the ball bounce over the bar you deserve it

Well that's a separate  issue

But in this case, kicks are  being rewarded more  for NOT reaching the  goal , than  those that do.

[The Trap]

Have been a sceptic from the start but after first weekend this is my take.

1v1 throw in. Didnt have a problem with 2v 2 and be interesting to see how the other midfielder is policed in club game but for county worked well, easy to officiate, no problem with it.

Keeper not getting ball in own half. Brilliant. Best change of the lot as stops the short one two kick outs and keep ball.

Keeper allowed ball in other half. Just don't know who came up with this given that they wanted a faster game with more contests! There is not an obvious solution other than a keeper being a keeper which surely those wanting to wind the clock back 30 years want.

3v3 inside half. The idea of holding positions is good but there still won't be too much kicking as possession is king unless they change the keeper 12 v 11 thing in which case it will be harder to keep the ball at times.

The arcs. With keeper not getting ball back there would be more long kickouts anyway and too many things for refs to police at club games with kickout infringements and 2 point scores. I dont mind a 2 point score from play though.....but not a free.

Solo and go is OK as well and easy at club level. Though most instances saw that player handpass defeating the purpose of more kicking. With the new 3v3 and discipline laws a good kick pass would be on immediately.

50metre penalty is a big cultural change but I get that it will soon stop players acting the maggot. Maybe could be changed a bit so as you don't have to hand the ball over!

Timing and hooter all good.

[The Trap]

The biggest thing though is that when the national league is over and club football kicks into action it has to be the same game.

E.g.if you can't police 3v3 on your own at a club game it shouldn't be a rule. How could we watch one game at county level and then expect the same rules when playing club but they can't be applied properly? That would lead to so many problems and total frustration.

[SpeculativeEffort]

Paddy Tally is on the ball when he says that the attacking goalkeeper is killing the game by giving the attacking team a 12 v 11 advantage. Goalkeepers should be confined to their own small parallelogram.

In my opinion the 40m arc and 2-pointers are no addition to the game. The pattern of attacking play now revolves mainly around this arc and completely changes the nature of the game that we knew before the possession game took over.

Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness may have brought success to their counties with their tactics but their legacy is a bastardised game.

Maybe if teams pushed up and didn't retreat into the 40m zone then the keeper doesn't become such a threat.

The issue here isn't the rule so much as the culture within GAA management teams for convoluting things, and for pushing the rulebook to create perceived advantages, whether they exist or not, instead of setting a context for sport.

By accident rather than design, Armagh ended up with a goalkeeper rather than a midfielder in goals for 2024.

The effect? Less emphasis on "trick plays" and more emphasis on playing your own position.

So instead of Ethan Rafferty finding space and running between the lines, the likes of Conaty and Grimley did this role instead.

The outcome? Well Armagh won an AI conceding a goal every 5 games or so. Blaine became the third no.1 in a row to win an AI without ever crossing out of his own 45.

The knock on effect? Negligible it seems. The media continue convincing themselves that Niall Morgan is the MVP of the country, whilst GAA management teams up and down the country are still convincing themselves they need to create Niall Morgan clones.

This is one of the most interesting posts on this topic. People watch Morgan etc and only see what he brings to the game. He may kick 1 or 2 points but 20 attacks may be slowed down to a walk also. His role changes the dynamic of the team.

[Captain Scarlet]

This is a solid case. Like if a team are really firing and moving the ball quickly there's no need for a keeper pottering up.

Also there will be more traps set as the year goes on.

I think 3v3 is the best rule of the lot.