Antrim Football Thread

[FactCheck]

Im going to delete these comments as you've clearly taken the hump. If you think you've applied those rules correctly v UU then your in for a tight year

[Milltown Row2]

Which new rules weren't applied?

I've watched the games at Croke park which applied the rules also

I've also attended the online Croke park meeting with those who made the rules up..

You claimed I didn't watch a game or ref'd a game and bring up moments in the game I ref'd?

Your head is lit!

Don't get ratty! You didn't apply the rules! Players talking to you who where not the captain, sidelines shouting on and you seen Hand take a dig to the face.

Teams leaving 2 up instead of 3
Mick got a pass in his own half

I'll send you the video and you can watch it back and compare those rules to the Wexford and Monaghan Games! You'll see a difference. Again don't be taking it personal, you done a job which myself and the players are greatful for.

Can you not have a conversation without an attitude?

I'm confused, you had no idea in you post that I either seen a game or involved when I replied to you.

You then all of a sudden know I was and have a video of it?

You said the rules weren't applied? Both managers wanted the new rules applied and they were.

It was the first game for both and  me, it's my judgement call to decide on people talking back, not yours or the players, if I seen players drifting out of the 3v3 position I'll call it, if I didn't see that, it happens as I'm on my own, like 99% of the games this year, that's how it'll be.

Hand did take a dig, I walked the lad off to the side of the pitch, but you must have missed that bit.

I look forward to the new season and the new rules, but if you ask an opinion on it then complete ditch it, why ask?

[FactCheck]

Which new rules weren't applied?

I've watched the games at Croke park which applied the rules also

I've also attended the online Croke park meeting with those who made the rules up..

You claimed I didn't watch a game or ref'd a game and bring up moments in the game I ref'd?

Your head is lit!

Don't get ratty! You didn't apply the rules! Players talking to you who where not the captain, sidelines shouting on and you seen Hand take a dig to the face.

Teams leaving 2 up instead of 3
Mick got a pass in his own half

I'll send you the video and you can watch it back and compare those rules to the Wexford and Monaghan Games! You'll see a difference. Again don't be taking it personal, you done a job which myself and the players are greatful for.

Can you not have a conversation without an attitude?

I'm confused, you had no idea in you post that I either seen a game or involved when I replied to you.

You then all of a sudden know I was and have a video of it?

You said the rules weren't applied? Both managers wanted the new rules applied and they were.

It was the first game for both and  me, it's my judgement call to decide on people talking back, not yours or the players, if I seen players drifting out of the 3v3 position I'll call it, if I didn't see that, it happens as I'm on my own, like 99% of the games this year, that's how it'll be.

Hand did take a dig, I walked the lad off to the side of the pitch, but you must have missed that bit.

I look forward to the new season and the new rules, but if you ask an opinion on it then complete ditch it, why ask?

No, I asked if anyone had watched a game

When you're involved in the game it's not watching, it's participating .

When I said was it Louth /wexford or Monaghan. I didn't mention UU because I knew you were the ref!

Like i said, I don't consider being involved the same as being an observer.

I didn't completely ditch! I tired to explain that I thought it was unfair to ask you as a club ref to do the game. Compare what we had the week before in David Gough and its night and day! County refs are held to a higher standard and rightly so!

In my attempt to be nice and say it was difficult for you but we appreciated that you were able to help rather than be rude and say "you were not up to the level and was obvious as a player that it was your first time". You didn't like it.

You got ratty, got the hump up, thought you got in right , put your ego ahead of the actual appreciation within the post and came out with cheap comments like "your heads lit"

If you think you done well in that game then I'm afraid to say it's the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to "lit"

What you could have said was, "yeah it was my first go, it was an experience and I thought I done alright but like everyone else it'll get better"

But no, you had to get snarky!
And btw it's not your judgement, it's the rules. Only the captain or nominated person can speak to the ref! It's not your judgement if you want to apply that or not. Otherwise similar to what happened v UU we get a completely different set of rules one week to the next and no ones sure!

For reference you can look at the FAQs under decent:

Q. I am not the team captain, or the team nominated deputy, but I don't know why the referee gave a free against me – surely, I can ask them why did they make that decision?

A. If you do, you will concede a free kick, and the ball will be advanced 50m. The team captain, or a nominated deputy, are the only players on a team that can speak to the referee to seek clarification of a decision made by the referee and they can only do so during a break in play.


If you want these rules to work then you need and your colleagues need to enforce them

[Sweeper 123]

And this is why no one wants to be a club referee  - ....."you were not up to the level and was obvious as a player that it was your first time"...

Give it a go FactCheck

[Milltown Row2]

I said I've watched the games at Croke

Is that ok?

On here I've made judgements on the rules on another thread after watching those games.

A high percentage of people here have said the rules are going to be difficult to manage from a ref's perspective never mind the players.

This place is a discussion board, so i discussed it and you said as a ref I've no view point on it?

And then started running me down! But I'm taking the hump?

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[FactCheck]

I said I've watched the games at Croke

Is that ok?

On here I've made judgements on the rules on another thread after watching those games.

A high percentage of people here have said the rules are going to be difficult to manage from a ref's perspective never mind the players.

This place is a discussion board, so i discussed it and you said as a ref I've no view point on it?

And then started running me down! But I'm taking the hump?

Ego  

At what point did I run you down?

I never, I said i appreciated it. You reacted with your"heads lit"

But those are opinions right? And either of us can be wrong on that so let's put that to the side.

Can you come back on the point where you said "it's my judgement to decide on people talking back"

The facts are that it's not a judgement call, it's not a grey area, it's a rule not open to interpretation or judgement....


Your content to say you've made a mistake there and now you know it's a rule??

[FactCheck]

And this is why no one wants to be a club referee  - ....."you were not up to the level and was obvious as a player that it was your first time"...

Give it a go FactCheck

Jesus fella, read the post! I said i didn't want to be rude and say that.

I acknowledged the effort, set out the standard is different, said I thought it was unfair but greatful he could help.

It's not reflective of MR ability to ref at club level. He don a job and AGAIN we are thankful he was able to do it otherwise there'd be no game! Don't start misleading folk with giving sound bites

[Milltown Row2]

This is getting silly, I responded to your post which you deleted after you questioned my performance, that's when I said your head is lit, uou took the 'hump' first you were the one that asked about had anyone watched the games.

You didn't like the response threw out that the ref wasn't competent and was unfair on me to be asked, I'll say no the next time. You are going to send me the video, classy. Then go on about Gough did a game and he was brilliant, was there linesmen and umpires at these other games?

As I said I'll look forward to the feed back from the board/supporters on how the 'professional' refs do this year when they are all mic'd up with 8 officials on board.

Be interesting the games at Corrigan this year

[paddyjohn]

Nothing ever changes on here does it?

[johnnycool]

Fair Fúcks to MR for putting his head above the parapet on here, most of us know who he is, he referees to be best of his ability and every once in a while along comes a new user who by the looks of it has never refereed in their puff having a go at him.

Stay strong MR2, ya wee shíte ye 

[imtommygunn]

Definitely has the doggedness needed for corner back.

[JimStynes]

Small man syndrome

[FactCheck]

This is getting silly, I responded to your post which you deleted after you questioned my performance, that's when I said your head is lit, uou took the 'hump' first you were the one that asked about had anyone watched the games.

You didn't like the response threw out that the ref wasn't competent and was unfair on me to be asked, I'll say no the next time. You are going to send me the video, classy. Then go on about Gough did a game and he was brilliant, was there linesmen and umpires at these other games?

As I said I'll look forward to the feed back from the board/supporters on how the 'professional' refs do this year when they are all mic'd up with 8 officials on board.

Be interesting the games at Corrigan this year

That's some spin on it 😂😂😂

I said Gough had more exposure and experience at it. I'd said it was obvious your first time. I ensured the post was respectful but deleted them after because I didn't want for you to be offended or for anyone else to come in and read it for sound bites to be taken.


Again, those are all opinions and perspectives which have been misinterpreted....... But the one thing remains MR2

Let's keep this really simple. You thought it was ok to apply judgment when players (not nominated) speak to you.

You failed to advance the free 50m because you didn't know this rule and thought it was open to judgement.......

You didn't apply the rules of the game. True or false?

Come back to me on that single point once you fact check it! I'll share the link if it helps

[Saffron_sam20]

This is getting silly, I responded to your post which you deleted after you questioned my performance, that's when I said your head is lit, uou took the 'hump' first you were the one that asked about had anyone watched the games.

You didn't like the response threw out that the ref wasn't competent and was unfair on me to be asked, I'll say no the next time. You are going to send me the video, classy. Then go on about Gough did a game and he was brilliant, was there linesmen and umpires at these other games?

As I said I'll look forward to the feed back from the board/supporters on how the 'professional' refs do this year when they are all mic'd up with 8 officials on board.

Be interesting the games at Corrigan this year

That's some spin on it 😂😂😂

I said Gough had more exposure and experience at it. I'd said it was obvious your first time. I ensured the post was respectful but deleted them after because I didn't want for you to be offended or for anyone else to come in and read it for sound bites to be taken.


Again, those are all opinions and perspectives which have been misinterpreted....... But the one thing remains MR2

Let's keep this really simple. You thought it was ok to apply judgment when players (not nominated) speak to you.

You failed to advance the free 50m because you didn't know this rule and thought it was open to judgement.......

You didn't apply the rules of the game. True or false?

Come back to me on that single point once you fact check it! I'll share the link if it helps

to be fair MR2 on another thread said hed no issue with chatting to players and it was discussed that it was fine as long as it wasnt abusive. that is 100% the best way to referee and as long as players dont over step the mark its fine. again theres a difference between abuse and genuinely asking a question.

I dont think there is anyone in the country will have a problem with referees using this logic.

[FactCheck]

This is getting silly, I responded to your post which you deleted after you questioned my performance, that's when I said your head is lit, uou took the 'hump' first you were the one that asked about had anyone watched the games.

You didn't like the response threw out that the ref wasn't competent and was unfair on me to be asked, I'll say no the next time. You are going to send me the video, classy. Then go on about Gough did a game and he was brilliant, was there linesmen and umpires at these other games?

As I said I'll look forward to the feed back from the board/supporters on how the 'professional' refs do this year when they are all mic'd up with 8 officials on board.

Be interesting the games at Corrigan this year

That's some spin on it 😂😂😂

I said Gough had more exposure and experience at it. I'd said it was obvious your first time. I ensured the post was respectful but deleted them after because I didn't want for you to be offended or for anyone else to come in and read it for sound bites to be taken.


Again, those are all opinions and perspectives which have been misinterpreted....... But the one thing remains MR2

Let's keep this really simple. You thought it was ok to apply judgment when players (not nominated) speak to you.

You failed to advance the free 50m because you didn't know this rule and thought it was open to judgement.......

You didn't apply the rules of the game. True or false?

Come back to me on that single point once you fact check it! I'll share the link if it helps

to be fair MR2 on another thread said hed no issue with chatting to players and it was discussed that it was fine as long as it wasnt abusive. that is 100% the best way to referee and as long as players dont over step the mark its fine. again theres a difference between abuse and genuinely asking a question.

I dont think there is anyone in the country will have a problem with referees using this logic.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that on a personal level but the rules state no player other than the captain or nominated player should speak to the ref.

When you apply common sense you've different people applying different rules.

What happens when one ref (MR2) decides it's ok to speak to players and another doesn't?
You could be giving away 4 or 6 points every other game. 

The rules, if we agree or not, are there to be applied across the board and remove those judgement calls in order to have a more balanced game.

Most of the complaints around refs come from either people not understanding the rules or refs making a judgment call which sometimes they get wrong!

Why have the issue? If a player speaks 50m, if he doesn't hand the ball back 50m

Again they might not be the best rules but it's what's past and unless refs all get on the same page it'll be them that suffer the (wrongful) abuse