Antrim Football Thread

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

BS I was in the middle of pg1 crowd. I'd have liked you to win but that decision was clearly made and that goal was never standing and very few round me said much about it bar one person who said the replay on twitter showed it wasn't out. That's irrelevant as the umpire said it was wide anyway.

You could see before the ball went in the net that was happening.

I'm struggling to see your point here.
There is debate whether the ball was out or not. It doesn't look it but it might be.
However, you're talking like there would have been a whole different chain of events had the umpire decided it was in. There wouldn't have been. It dropped perfectly to a fella with an open net.
So, if the umpire got that wrong PG1 have been done out of a goal.

[bannside]

In fairness its a really marginal call, and the referee depended on one person to advise him (the umpire at that post) and made his call based on that. Don't want to ref bash,  that's not what this is about. More a talking point that a good goal that was disallowed might have changed the outcome.

Then again it migtnt even have done that.

And PG1 missed more than enough scorable chances of their own to take the defeat on the chin.

PG1 only got wired into this season about 8 weeks ago, that's when Hampsey and McGeary were drafted in, Mickey C would have been in longer. Don't forget JMK dosent charge anything, so all in all the total outlay wouldn't add up to what some clubs are forking out over the year.

Casements will go again, and again, and have a superb juvenile set up in place, so I'd be confident they are on a clear progress curve.

One thing is clear whoever beats Cargin needs to be consistently good over a period of time, success is gained over decades of excellence.

[imtommygunn]

I honestly think bigger talking points are lack of black and red cards at certain points. (I think there was a player who stayed on the field in ET should have been off for constant fouling(with 4-5 minutes left) and that would have been a game changer at that stage of the game - not much has been said about that but if you're booked for constant fouling then you do 2 or 3 fouls after surely it should merit red...).

Anyway I honestly think Cargin would have seen it out any which way and you could do the whole thing to death on decision here and decision there.

BS that is a good team who can hold their heads high. I suspect your time will come as there is a good age demographic. The defensive performance was excellent and I thought McKeever was brilliant too.

[InnocentByStander]

for players that were "adamant" the ball wasnt over the line, there was little to no protests.....

[Take the Mark]

In fairness its a really marginal call, and the referee depended on one person to advise him (the umpire at that post) and made his call based on that. Don't want to ref bash,  that's not what this is about. More a talking point that a good goal that was disallowed might have changed the outcome.

Then again it migtnt even have done that.

And PG1 missed more than enough scorable chances of their own to take the defeat on the chin.

PG1 only got wired into this season about 8 weeks ago, that's when Hampsey and McGeary were drafted in, Mickey C would have been in longer. Don't forget JMK dosent charge anything, so all in all the total outlay wouldn't add up to what some clubs are forking out over the year.

Casements will go again, and again, and have a superb juvenile set up in place, so I'd be confident they are on a clear progress curve.

One thing is clear whoever beats Cargin needs to be consistently good over a period of time, success is gained over decades of excellence.

It wasnt. The ball was out, the wide was given and the game played out. There are probably hundreds of 'what if' moments in that game.

I'd have had Paddy Kelly on sooner for a long range shot or 2. Quality scorer especially from frees which Portglenone missed a few of. Ballsy too, I recall him pulling Portglenone out of a hole before - the St Galls game that went to penalties a fine example. And those Lamh Dhearg games as well around that time.

[Ghost+Tommy]

KP didn't have his best game,he tried to let it go,probably too much at times,decisions both teams could scratch their heads about

[gallsman]

BS I was in the middle of pg1 crowd. I'd have liked you to win but that decision was clearly made and that goal was never standing and very few round me said much about it bar one person who said the replay on twitter showed it wasn't out. That's irrelevant as the umpire said it was wide anyway.

You could see before the ball went in the net that was happening.

Which, of course, it categorically doesn't.

[Take the Mark]

BS I was in the middle of pg1 crowd. I'd have liked you to win but that decision was clearly made and that goal was never standing and very few round me said much about it bar one person who said the replay  on twitter showed it wasn't out. That's irrelevant as the umpire said it was wide anyway.

You could see before the ball went in the net that was happening.

Which, of course, it categorically doesn't.

 

[Take the Mark]

KP didn't have his best game,he tried to let it go,probably too much at times,decisions both teams could scratch their heads about

Fair assessment. Didnt cost either team the game.

[imtommygunn]

Yeah I would share that opinion too.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Whether the ball was out or not is up for debate.  Thats up to the ref or umpire to make their call. maybe it was in, maybe not, difficult to see from my angle or on the Stream but a close call either way.  Certainly not clear.

Whats not up for debate is that the referee clearly blew his whistle early and the players stopped. kicking a ball into an unguarded net to me is not controversial.  Wasn't even a topic of discussion at the game.

Is there a brief required to be given to umpires other than perhaps jersey pulling? Sounds like a simple enough job with a bit of focus required for giving 45s and Square Balls 

An umpire can't give a square ball. That's the ref's job.
Though sometimes you hear that the ref "may consult" the umpires. I'm not convinced that's a thing though as you don't hear it about other technical fouls.
Maybe Milltown can confirm.

[SaffronOak]

Whether the ball was out or not is up for debate.  Thats up to the ref or umpire to make their call. maybe it was in, maybe not, difficult to see from my angle or on the Stream but a close call either way.  Certainly not clear.

Whats not up for debate is that the referee clearly blew his whistle early and the players stopped. kicking a ball into an unguarded net to me is not controversial.  Wasn't even a topic of discussion at the game.

Is there a brief required to be given to umpires other than perhaps jersey pulling? Sounds like a simple enough job with a bit of focus required for giving 45s and Square Balls 

An umpire can't give a square ball. That's the ref's job.
Though sometimes you hear that the ref "may consult" the umpires. I'm not convinced that's a thing though as you don't hear it about other technical fouls.
Maybe Milltown can confirm.

correct.  umpires cant give a square ball but if they feel it is, they could alert the ref in some way.  I've umpired and the ref has said that in that kind of situation, scratch your head until I come over lol

[NAG1]

Umpire can't give a square ball in open play, once the game has stopped he can consult the ref to let them know it was a square ball.

[SaffronOak]

Correct, but like I said.  It was a discreet signal and the ref would speak with me.  I should have added that he wouldnt stop play just off the back of me scratching my head lol.  But the ball would be dead from a square ball goal anyway

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Umpire can't give a square ball in open play, once the game has stopped he can consult the ref to let them know it was a square ball.

Really? After how many phases of play is he to forget about it?
A square ball is a referee's decision in the same way that overcarrying is.

High ball in. Umpire thinks it's a square ball, ref doesn't flinch. Ball breaks out and attacking team gather it. Recycle. Play it across the pitch and back before working and scoring a goal.

Umpire steps out and says it was a square ball a minute and a half ago.
I think not.