Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[AustinPowers]

Regarding the Foot block

Just watched Armagh Kerry highlights  again. 

Ball on the ground, Kelly prods the ball  towards goal, Kerry defender  blocks the ball  with his foot.

Is that a  penalty? No

Or is it only a penalty  when the ball is  kicked  from the attackers hands? Yes

So if the ball was  rolling in front of goal and  the attacker  takes a run and  an almighty swing at it, the defender is legally entitled to  throw their leg/foot at the ball to block it?

Kelly's effort was tame as the ball was caught under his feet , but surely that  description above  would be deemed dangerous?

[Milltown Row2]

Regarding the Foot block

Just watched Armagh Kerry highlights  again. 

Ball on the ground, Kelly prods the ball  towards goal, Kerry defender  blocks the ball  with his foot.

Is that a  penalty? No

Or is it only a penalty  when the ball is  kicked  from the attackers hands? Yes

So if the ball was  rolling in front of goal and  the attacker  takes a run and  an almighty swing at it, the defender is legally entitled to  throw their leg/foot at the ball to block it?

Kelly's effort was tame as the ball was caught under his feet , but surely that  description above  would be deemed dangerous?

Sounds like they are both trying to do the same thing, then that would cancel out a foul?

[JoG2]

Regarding the Foot block

Just watched Armagh Kerry highlights  again. 

Ball on the ground, Kelly prods the ball  towards goal, Kerry defender  blocks the ball  with his foot.

Is that a  penalty? No

Or is it only a penalty  when the ball is  kicked  from the attackers hands? Yes

So if the ball was  rolling in front of goal and  the attacker  takes a run and  an almighty swing at it, the defender is legally entitled to  throw their leg/foot at the ball to block it?

Kelly's effort was tame as the ball was caught under his feet , but surely that  description above  would be deemed dangerous?

Sounds like they are both trying to do the same thing, then that would cancel out a foul?

Yes, foot block only comes into play if the attacker is kicking out of his hands

Would love to see an overhead kick goal, or even someone attempt it

[Milltown Row2]

Seen two old club players back in the day, one a very accomplished soccer player, both headed the ball into the net, one was given and the other the ref disallowed it. I remember the one given caused a stink to the home team but we lapped it up on the sidelines

[AustinPowers]

Seen two old club players back in the day, one a very accomplished soccer player, both headed the ball into the net, one was given and the other the ref disallowed it. I remember the one given caused a stink to the home team but we lapped it up on the sidelines

Didn't one of  Kieran Donaghy's goals in an AI final come off his head?  Might have been v Cork

[Milltown Row2]

Seen two old club players back in the day, one a very accomplished soccer player, both headed the ball into the net, one was given and the other the ref disallowed it. I remember the one given caused a stink to the home team but we lapped it up on the sidelines

Didn't one of  Kieran Donaghy's goals in an AI final come off his head?  Might have been v Cork

There's a difference in it coming off a part of your body i.e in that instance, your head, or intentionally heading the ball in that would wind ones up

[tiempo]

Seen two old club players back in the day, one a very accomplished soccer player, both headed the ball into the net, one was given and the other the ref disallowed it. I remember the one given caused a stink to the home team but we lapped it up on the sidelines

Didn't one of  Kieran Donaghy's goals in an AI final come off his head?  Might have been v Cork

There's a difference in it coming off a part of your body i.e in that instance, your head, or intentionally heading the ball in that would wind ones up

How do you differentiate between intent to score legitimately with a header, or intent to score legitimately with a header including a side of nuisance/call it what you will? And how does opponent-supporter annoyance factor in? Not suggesting that a headed goal would be disallowed under highly subjective officiating?
 
Headed goal stands whether in-off or directly intentional, thats all there is to it as far as I can tell

[Armagh Cúchulainns]

U16 game. Full back is taking kickouts rather than the keeper.

Keeper must stand in the small square for the KO?

Can the first pass after the kickout go back to the keeper? Or can it not go back to either the kicker or the keeper?

In theory - provided there are no local rules implemented by the county board or juvenile board:

Keeper must stay inside the small rectangle if not taking the kickout.
After kicking the ball out the full back can receive an immediate pass but not the goalkeeper.

[Milltown Row2]

Seen two old club players back in the day, one a very accomplished soccer player, both headed the ball into the net, one was given and the other the ref disallowed it. I remember the one given caused a stink to the home team but we lapped it up on the sidelines

Didn't one of  Kieran Donaghy's goals in an AI final come off his head?  Might have been v Cork

There's a difference in it coming off a part of your body i.e in that instance, your head, or intentionally heading the ball in that would wind ones up

How do you differentiate between intent to score legitimately with a header, or intent to score legitimately with a header including a side of nuisance/call it what you will? And how does opponent-supporter annoyance factor in? Not suggesting that a headed goal would be disallowed under highly subjective officiating?
 
Headed goal stands whether in-off or directly intentional, thats all there is to it as far as I can tell

They all count and whether intentionally (as you'd know he went out of his way to head it rather than bounced off his head) or unintentionally

The account I gave was from the mid 80s at a rival club at the time, soccer was still a sport that wasn't entirely popular in GAA circles so it raised a few eyebrows and annoyance

[StephenC]

U16 game. Full back is taking kickouts rather than the keeper.

Keeper must stand in the small square for the KO?

Can the first pass after the kickout go back to the keeper? Or can it not go back to either the kicker or the keeper?

In theory - provided there are no local rules implemented by the county board or juvenile board:

Keeper must stay inside the small rectangle if not taking the kickout.
After kicking the ball out the full back can receive an immediate pass but not the goalkeeper.

Thanks. Have had 2 different answers from refs on this and so far I've stayed safe by having the kickout going to someone else other than either the kicker or the keeper.

Would love to hear if anyone else has come across this?

[twohands!!!]

2.7    (a)      When the ball is played over the endline by the Team attacking that end, or after a score   
          is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the ground from the centre point of the 20m line
          and shall be kicked forward.
          If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, The goalkeeper shall stay in the small rectangle,
          and all other players, except the player taking the kick-out, shall be outside the 20m line,         
          outside the semi-circular arc and 13m from the ball until it has been kicked.
          The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player       
          touches it but may not take the ball into the hands.
          The ball shall travel not less than 13m and outside the 20m line before being played by         
          another player of the defending team.
    (b)      The Player taking the kick-out after the ball goes wide or a score shall have the             
          option of using a standard tee as approved by Central Council.
    (c)      A player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to their team's goalkeeper       
          without another player playing the ball.

Part (c) is pretty clear to me - the full back can get the ball directly back from the first receiver of the ball, but the goal-keeper cannot.

[StephenC]

2.7    (a)      When the ball is played over the endline by the Team attacking that end, or after a score   
          is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the ground from the centre point of the 20m line
          and shall be kicked forward.
          If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, The goalkeeper shall stay in the small rectangle,
          and all other players, except the player taking the kick-out, shall be outside the 20m line,         
          outside the semi-circular arc and 13m from the ball until it has been kicked.
          The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player       
          touches it but may not take the ball into the hands.
          The ball shall travel not less than 13m and outside the 20m line before being played by         
          another player of the defending team.
    (b)      The Player taking the kick-out after the ball goes wide or a score shall have the             
          option of using a standard tee as approved by Central Council.
    (c)      A player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to their team's goalkeeper       
          without another player playing the ball.

Part (c) is pretty clear to me - the full back can get the ball directly back from the first receiver of the ball, but the goal-keeper cannot.

That's perfect - thank you!

[Cyril Farrell fan]

Seen two old club players back in the day, one a very accomplished soccer player, both headed the ball into the net, one was given and the other the ref disallowed it. I remember the one given caused a stink to the home team but we lapped it up on the sidelines

Anyone who tries to head an O'Neill football will get some extra brain damage to go along with what they already have.

[Harold Disgracey]

2.7    (a)      When the ball is played over the endline by the Team attacking that end, or after a score   
          is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the ground from the centre point of the 20m line
          and shall be kicked forward.
          If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, The goalkeeper shall stay in the small rectangle,
          and all other players, except the player taking the kick-out, shall be outside the 20m line,         
          outside the semi-circular arc and 13m from the ball until it has been kicked.
          The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player       
          touches it but may not take the ball into the hands.
          The ball shall travel not less than 13m and outside the 20m line before being played by         
          another player of the defending team.
    (b)      The Player taking the kick-out after the ball goes wide or a score shall have the             
          option of using a standard tee as approved by Central Council.
    (c)      A player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to their team's goalkeeper       
          without another player playing the ball.

Part (c) is pretty clear to me - the full back can get the ball directly back from the first receiver of the ball, but the goal-keeper cannot.

That's perfect - thank you!

We had a ref recently at an u16 game not penalise us after one of our defenders took a kick-out and the player who received the ball passed it back to our keeper as two outfield players had played the ball before it was passed back to the keeper.

[Mourne Red]

Is Ladies football essentially non-contact? Watching the Fermanagh vs Louth match and ref blows for any contact while tackling.. Rarely watch ladies so not 100% on the rules