Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Gerard O’Neill]

pointless, I am for peace, a negotiated peace. I am against conscription, kidnapping/press gangs.

calling for that does not make me pro russia/ a tankie or whatever other label people want to throw around.

You are for more war and depending on realities on the ground are for conscription, kidnapping/press gangs.

Your 'peace' = the defeat of Ukraine and the destruction of their nation. You're either completely naive or being disingenuous.

Russia can end the war tomorrow PHP, with the Russian Federation fully intact, right or wrong?

I've answered enough of  my your questions and you have ignoree all of mine. you now try and tell me what I mean by peace when I have never mentioned any of that...

pointless discussing with you are it was with all your other usernames.

What question have you asked me that I've ignored?

[Gerard O’Neill]

Recent joined Gerard isn't much interested in the GAA when you look at his post history. Hmmm 

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or how it's even relevant.

Is this a debating tactic to deflect from not being able to back up your assertions?

No evidence of a coup.

No comment on Yanukovych's betrayal of the Ukrainian people.

[Milltown Row2]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

[theskull1]

Its a strategic proxy war between the US and Russia. I feel so sorry for the Ukrainians who are piggy in the middle. I  sense a distinct lack of humanity from those who continue to believe dragging young Ukrainian men to fight to their death is the only way and beyond that worry what will happen globally when/if desperate measures get deployed by one side or the other.

[Milltown Row2]

Its a strategic proxy war between the US and Russia. I feel so sorry for the Ukrainians who are piggy in the middle. I  sense a distinct lack of humanity from those who continue to believe dragging young Ukrainian men to fight to their death is the only way and beyond that worry what will happen globally when/if desperate measures get deployed by one side or the other.

I know, America are real war hungry cnuts,  but you do have to concede that if Russia doesn't invade a country then no one is killed? Or am I missing something?

[Gerard O’Neill]

Its a strategic proxy war between the US and Russia. I feel so sorry for the Ukrainians who are piggy in the middle. I  sense a distinct lack of humanity from those who continue to believe dragging young Ukrainian men to fight to their death is the only way and beyond that worry what will happen globally when/if desperate measures get deployed by one side or the other.

It's a war of independence and survival for the Ukrainians.

You feel so sorry for the Ukrainians that you spend your time on this thread spreading the Russian narrative for the war.

You feel so sorry for the Ukrainians that you have never mentioned or acknowledged Yanukovych's betrayal but prefer to focus on some imaginary coup and can't back up what you're saying with anything.

Sorry, but I don't buy your concern.

[Gerard O’Neill]

Its a strategic proxy war between the US and Russia. I feel so sorry for the Ukrainians who are piggy in the middle. I  sense a distinct lack of humanity from those who continue to believe dragging young Ukrainian men to fight to their death is the only way and beyond that worry what will happen globally when/if desperate measures get deployed by one side or the other.

I know, America are real war hungry cnuts,  but you do have to concede that if Russia doesn't invade a country then no one is killed? Or am I missing something?

You aren't missing anything.

It's why they need the false coup narrative with the hang sangwidges.

[Horse Box]

Example no 1 from your good self:

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/111880

What is happening here? When was this video taken?

You don't know and you have no way of finding out but job done from the Russian propagandists point of view.

 A man takes a bike from a green van and cycles away. Women are standing there as well. That's it, that's the video .

It appears to be Ukraine because if it was in Russia the woman with the shopping  bag would probably be in mortal danger. That is, if video was taken after 2014, which is unconfirmed. Like every other claim in the description.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-needs-soldiers-fight-russia-men-dodging-draft-zelenskyy-rcna152121

So this News story by NBC is false ?

[Horse Box]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz994d6vqe5o

What's with the recent MSM love in lads? Storylines matching up with your preconceived worldviews?

See my earlier comments about conscription. No one is denying Ukraine uses conscription. When you're facing annihilation from the much larger brutal neighbour next door, desperate measures are called for.

Where are all the comments criticising Russia for using conscription (to destroy another nation) from ye lads?

No problem with anyone using conscription but the ukrainians are using Press Gangs and forcing people to the front at the behest of the Narco Fuhrer !

[Horse Box]

I haven't defended Russian conscription, you are defending Ukrainian conscription and press gangs/kidnapping.

i was referring to press gangs/kidnapping.

Well said .

[PadraicHenryPearse]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

Forcing Palestinans to fight is not going to stop Israel. A ceasefire, and negotiated peace aligned with existing UN resolutions and international law is what's needed not more weapons and conscription for the Palestinians and certainly not more for the Israelis.

Peace should not be or seen to be appeasement.

[Gerard O’Neill]

Example no 1 from your good self:

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/111880

What is happening here? When was this video taken?

You don't know and you have no way of finding out but job done from the Russian propagandists point of view.

 A man takes a bike from a green van and cycles away. Women are standing there as well. That's it, that's the video .

It appears to be Ukraine because if it was in Russia the woman with the shopping  bag would probably be in mortal danger. That is, if video was taken after 2014, which is unconfirmed. Like every other claim in the description.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-needs-soldiers-fight-russia-men-dodging-draft-zelenskyy-rcna152121

So this News story by NBC is false ?

No, I've said that the video you posted and many of the videos circulating online, purporting to be Ukrainian 'press gangs' could be absolutely anything, including being located in Russia. You're relying on the word of the Russian propagandist for context. The truth is you don't even know what you're watching.

Horse Box seems to think everyone in Russia marches off to the front whistling Tipperary but, oh dear..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/16/russia-mobilization-men/

And as I've already stated, conscription is horrible and understandably unpopular (Horse Box has no problem with it though) but as I said, Ukraine is forced into it as they are faced with a war of annihilation, Russia conscripts to wage a war of attempted genocide.

All of this is on Russia.

[Milltown Row2]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

Forcing Palestinans to fight is not going to stop Israel. A ceasefire, and negotiated peace aligned with existing UN resolutions and international law is what's needed not more weapons and conscription for the Palestinians and certainly not more for the Israelis.

Peace should not be or seen to be appeasement.

Just read it back, and I didn't mention forcing Palestinans to fight.. I've been championing a ceasefire since before the attacks, and workable 2 state solution with some sort of peace army there ensuring both sides stick to the rules, for whatever time it takes.

But allowing Russia to waltz in, into any country and claim they are helping the Russian speaking Ukrainians by invading another country and bombing the cities outside of that area is a stretch

That conscripting video is a side show, and handy to have to shift views on the actual war 

[Gerard O’Neill]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

Forcing Palestinans to fight is not going to stop Israel. A ceasefire, and negotiated peace aligned with existing UN resolutions and international law is what's needed not more weapons and conscription for the Palestinians and certainly not more for the Israelis.

Peace should not be or seen to be appeasement.

Just read it back, and I didn't mention forcing Palestinans to fight.. I've been championing a ceasefire since before the attacks, and workable 2 state solution with some sort of peace army there ensuring both sides stick to the rules, for whatever time it takes.

But allowing Russia to waltz in, into any country and claim they are helping the Russian speaking Ukrainians by invading another country and bombing the cities outside of that area is a stretch

That conscripting video is a side show, and handy to have to shift views on the actual war 

It's even more cynical than that MR - Russia bombed, murdered and raped the people they claimed they were coming to save.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

Forcing Palestinans to fight is not going to stop Israel. A ceasefire, and negotiated peace aligned with existing UN resolutions and international law is what's needed not more weapons and conscription for the Palestinians and certainly not more for the Israelis.

Peace should not be or seen to be appeasement.

Just read it back, and I didn't mention forcing Palestinans to fight.. I've been championing a ceasefire since before the attacks, and workable 2 state solution with some sort of peace army there ensuring both sides stick to the rules, for whatever time it takes.

But allowing Russia to waltz in, into any country and claim they are helping the Russian speaking Ukrainians by invading another country and bombing the cities outside of that area is a stretch

That conscripting video is a side show, and handy to have to shift views on the actual war 

so we agree that championing peace over war and a ceasefire in Palestine and Ukraine is the right thing?

do we agree that its the palestinians/Ukrainians have a choice to decide to do whatever it takes? but  that press gangs/kidnapping people and sending to to fight In a war is wrong?