Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Milltown Row2]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

Forcing Palestinans to fight is not going to stop Israel. A ceasefire, and negotiated peace aligned with existing UN resolutions and international law is what's needed not more weapons and conscription for the Palestinians and certainly not more for the Israelis.

Peace should not be or seen to be appeasement.

Just read it back, and I didn't mention forcing Palestinans to fight.. I've been championing a ceasefire since before the attacks, and workable 2 state solution with some sort of peace army there ensuring both sides stick to the rules, for whatever time it takes.

But allowing Russia to waltz in, into any country and claim they are helping the Russian speaking Ukrainians by invading another country and bombing the cities outside of that area is a stretch

That conscripting video is a side show, and handy to have to shift views on the actual war 

so we agree that championing peace over war and a ceasefire in Palestine and Ukraine is the right thing?

do we agree that its the palestinians/Ukrainians have a choice to decide to do whatever it takes? but  that press gangs/kidnapping people and sending to to fight In a war is wrong?

If you are agreeing that war is wrong, then conscriptions of any sort by any side wouldn't be happening. Stop it at source and it becomes a needless loss of life

[PadraicHenryPearse]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

Forcing Palestinans to fight is not going to stop Israel. A ceasefire, and negotiated peace aligned with existing UN resolutions and international law is what's needed not more weapons and conscription for the Palestinians and certainly not more for the Israelis.

Peace should not be or seen to be appeasement.

Just read it back, and I didn't mention forcing Palestinans to fight.. I've been championing a ceasefire since before the attacks, and workable 2 state solution with some sort of peace army there ensuring both sides stick to the rules, for whatever time it takes.

But allowing Russia to waltz in, into any country and claim they are helping the Russian speaking Ukrainians by invading another country and bombing the cities outside of that area is a stretch

That conscripting video is a side show, and handy to have to shift views on the actual war 

so we agree that championing peace over war and a ceasefire in Palestine and Ukraine is the right thing?

do we agree that its the palestinians/Ukrainians have a choice to decide to do whatever it takes? but  that press gangs/kidnapping people and sending to to fight In a war is wrong?

If you are agreeing that war is wrong, then conscriptions of any sort by any side wouldn't be happening. Stop it at source and it becomes a needless loss of life

There are currently conflicts/wars in Palestine/Ukraine so we are beyond not letting it happen but 100% agree war is wrong, a failure of diplomacy or lack of effort at diplomacy.

however, you didn't answer my questions.

[Gerard O’Neill]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

Forcing Palestinans to fight is not going to stop Israel. A ceasefire, and negotiated peace aligned with existing UN resolutions and international law is what's needed not more weapons and conscription for the Palestinians and certainly not more for the Israelis.

Peace should not be or seen to be appeasement.

Just read it back, and I didn't mention forcing Palestinans to fight.. I've been championing a ceasefire since before the attacks, and workable 2 state solution with some sort of peace army there ensuring both sides stick to the rules, for whatever time it takes.

But allowing Russia to waltz in, into any country and claim they are helping the Russian speaking Ukrainians by invading another country and bombing the cities outside of that area is a stretch

That conscripting video is a side show, and handy to have to shift views on the actual war 

so we agree that championing peace over war and a ceasefire in Palestine and Ukraine is the right thing?

do we agree that its the palestinians/Ukrainians have a choice to decide to do whatever it takes? but  that press gangs/kidnapping people and sending to to fight In a war is wrong?

If you are agreeing that war is wrong, then conscriptions of any sort by any side wouldn't be happening. Stop it at source and it becomes a needless loss of life

There are currently conflicts/wars in Palestine/Ukraine so we are beyond not letting it happen but 100% agree war is wrong, a failure of diplomacy or lack of effort at diplomacy.

however, you didn't answer my questions.

This war could end tomorrow if Russia leaves, yes or no? It's a simple question and one you dodged.

It's a choice for Russia. Ukraine has no choice.

[Milltown Row2]

They'd have to stop together because if the Ukrainians don't use conscription then the Russians will just walk on through, like the Israelis are doing at the minute, an invading country.

Russia developing better links now with North Korea, seems like a good partnership 

Should someone tell the Palestinians that conscription would stop Israel!! (I know that wasn't your actual point)

Palestinians should be doing whatever they feel they can do to stop Israel from wiping them off the planet. I think the Ukraine is in the same boat, Hitler said he just wanted the German speaking Czech's, that didn't end well

Forcing Palestinans to fight is not going to stop Israel. A ceasefire, and negotiated peace aligned with existing UN resolutions and international law is what's needed not more weapons and conscription for the Palestinians and certainly not more for the Israelis.

Peace should not be or seen to be appeasement.

Just read it back, and I didn't mention forcing Palestinans to fight.. I've been championing a ceasefire since before the attacks, and workable 2 state solution with some sort of peace army there ensuring both sides stick to the rules, for whatever time it takes.

But allowing Russia to waltz in, into any country and claim they are helping the Russian speaking Ukrainians by invading another country and bombing the cities outside of that area is a stretch

That conscripting video is a side show, and handy to have to shift views on the actual war 

so we agree that championing peace over war and a ceasefire in Palestine and Ukraine is the right thing?

do we agree that its the palestinians/Ukrainians have a choice to decide to do whatever it takes? but  that press gangs/kidnapping people and sending to to fight In a war is wrong?

If you are agreeing that war is wrong, then conscriptions of any sort by any side wouldn't be happening. Stop it at source and it becomes a needless loss of life

There are currently conflicts/wars in Palestine/Ukraine so we are beyond not letting it happen but 100% agree war is wrong, a failure of diplomacy or lack of effort at diplomacy.

however, you didn't answer my questions.

I said in my post, that conscripts by any side wouldn't be happening, but if the Russia and Ukraine are doing it they are doing it for a reason, because they are at war, Russia thought it be over quicker and were not prepared and Ukraine hoped that they wouldn't be in war.

Do I think forcing someone into an army is right? No, and hopefully it stops

Only 40 odd percent of people during WW2 were volunteers in the UK, the rest were conscripted, if they hadn't have been we'd be all speaking German, or maybe Russian by now, christ, they were sending people to war/battles without any guns, never mind training.

Oh and I said earlier there are 110 conflict wars going on at the minute, only 2 are getting any real coverage

[Horse Box]

Example no 1 from your good self:

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/111880

What is happening here? When was this video taken?

You don't know and you have no way of finding out but job done from the Russian propagandists point of view.

 A man takes a bike from a green van and cycles away. Women are standing there as well. That's it, that's the video .

It appears to be Ukraine because if it was in Russia the woman with the shopping  bag would probably be in mortal danger. That is, if video was taken after 2014, which is unconfirmed. Like every other claim in the description.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-needs-soldiers-fight-russia-men-dodging-draft-zelenskyy-rcna152121

So this News story by NBC is false ?

No, I've said that the video you posted and many of the videos circulating online, purporting to be Ukrainian 'press gangs' could be absolutely anything, including being located in Russia. You're relying on the word of the Russian propagandist for context. The truth is you don't even know what you're watching.

Horse Box seems to think everyone in Russia marches off to the front whistling Tipperary but, oh dear..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/16/russia-mobilization-men/

And as I've already stated, conscription is horrible and understandably unpopular (Horse Box has no problem with it though) but as I said, Ukraine is forced into it as they are faced with a war of annihilation, Russia conscripts to wage a war of attempted genocide.

All of this is on Russia.

Example no 1 from your good self:

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/111880

What is happening here? When was this video taken?

You don't know and you have no way of finding out but job done from the Russian propagandists point of view.

 A man takes a bike from a green van and cycles away. Women are standing there as well. That's it, that's the video .

It appears to be Ukraine because if it was in Russia the woman with the shopping  bag would probably be in mortal danger. That is, if video was taken after 2014, which is unconfirmed. Like every other claim in the description.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-needs-soldiers-fight-russia-men-dodging-draft-zelenskyy-rcna152121

So this News story by NBC is false ?

No, I've said that the video you posted and many of the videos circulating online, purporting to be Ukrainian 'press gangs' could be absolutely anything, including being located in Russia. You're relying on the word of the Russian propagandist for context. The truth is you don't even know what you're watching.

Horse Box seems to think everyone in Russia marches off to the front whistling Tipperary but, oh dear..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/16/russia-mobilization-men/

And as I've already stated, conscription is horrible and understandably unpopular (Horse Box has no problem with it though) but as I said, Ukraine is forced into it as they are faced with a war of annihilation, Russia conscripts to wage a war of attempted genocide.

All of this is on Russia.

BBC , NBC and now this along with the Telegram evidence :

https://www.intellinews.com/ragozin-ukraine-s-mobilisation-public-support-vs-private-resistance-326999/

[armaghniac]

BBC , NBC and now this along with the Telegram evidence :

https://www.intellinews.com/ragozin-ukraine-s-mobilisation-public-support-vs-private-resistance-326999/

What is the point of this? There are always freeloaders, some people refused to get vaccinations. some people won't pay road tax, some people rip off GaaGo, and some people would like to live in Ukraine but prefer to let someone else defend them.

[Gerard O’Neill]

BBC , NBC and now this along with the Telegram evidence :

https://www.intellinews.com/ragozin-ukraine-s-mobilisation-public-support-vs-private-resistance-326999/

What is the point of this? There are always freeloaders, some people refused to get vaccinations. some people won't pay road tax, some people rip off GaaGo, and some people would like to live in Ukraine but prefer to let someone else defend them.

The point of it all is very clear. It's  an attempt to discredit Ukraine, the victim in this and forced to use conscription as a matter of survival.

No attempt to also highlight the use of 'pressgangs/kidnapping' or the unpopularity of conscription in Russia. That's Russia, the aggressor, who conscripts in order to invade to commit genocide.

It's all they've got left as the NATO, Nazis, coup/sandwich propaganda doesn't withstand any scrutiny whatsoever.

[Main Street]

Ignore the Horse Box piece of Kremlin turd spouting pish.

The Russian alarms are going off, it's popcorn time as Russia implodes.
Pegging the Ruble to Yuan and aligning himself with the world's most despised despot is desperation stakes by Putin, a backs to the wall out of all other options move.
The only other option, BRICS, is a self serving group, what they can make to their benefit from Russia.

The Kremlin have used up all their available cash reserves. And as we know, all other cash reserves are frozen. China is dictating the terms in their favour of any further collaboration. Recent secondary sanctions are going to hurt more.The natural gas income has tanked, oil income is much reduced, Gazprom is a lame duck.
3m of the labour force has vanished.
Russia does not have access to the World money markets.
The increased  expense of the war economy which produces only stuff which explodes and is worthless.
The War economy on paper gives a false boost impression of the Russian economy's actual health, in fact the real economy has plummeted.
Most western companies (plus know how/technology)  have left Russia and with them western investors.

The Russian elites know it as well as Putin, the recent Saint Petersburg economic forum is the first time when many Russian officials, elites and so-called elites didn't attend.
The Russian deputy prime minister was openly negative about the future of Russia.
For the first time, the authorities started telling the dark
state of the economy.
The head of the central bank openly admits for the first time that the Russian economy is in pretty bad shape.
And as regards progress on the battlefield, all Russia can offer are yards gained by the month by sacrificing meat recruits in their thousands.

[RadioGAAGAA]

The Kremlin have used up all their available cash reserves.

This true?

Very big news if so and it's gone very unreported

[burdizzo]

Main Street's spiel was blown apart by the last line.

[Main Street]

Hmm ,a Kremlin useless idiots cabal
with nothing to coment about Russia's demise as evident by the alignment of the ruble to the Yuan and the contract with the worlds most despised despot, not to mention the RCB's  pessimistic report about the Russian economy and forecast of raising interest rates above a current crippling 16%

Among Russia's problems: Its national wealth fund, a pool of reserves Putin taps to finance the war, has dropped from $113 billion before the war to about $56 billion now. Not all of the $56 billion is liquid, and Russia needs to keep some money on hand for a genuine emergency.

"Their reserves are fast depleting," Agathe Demarais of the European Council on Foreign Relations said at the May 28 Brookings event. Gazprom's losses, she said, are "going to be a problem for replenishing the reserves. We're talking about really big numbers. I don't think there will be an easy way out for Russia."

Analysts think Gazprom will continue losing money through at least 2025, mainly because European nations that used to be the firm's biggest customers have weaned themselves off Russian energy. The easiest way to transport gas is by pipeline, and while other countries buy Russian gas, they're not connected by pipes.

[Gerard O’Neill]

Main Street's spiel was blown apart by the last line.

You can check it out yourself. Months and months of fighting to take Avdiivka and little advance across any of the other fronts.

That's heavily fortified Ukrainian positions they are attacking. A slaughter. Total pointless waste of life.

[Main Street]

Consequences  ---- the Kyiv Indo reports

"South Korea has said it will reconsider its policy of not directly supplying Ukraine with weapons in response to Moscow's newly-announced pact with North Korea, the country's president's office said on June 20.

Up until now, Seoul has only provided humanitarian aid to Kyiv, though it has been reported the country has indirectly supplied artillery shells via the U.S".

Car services and enterprises in Russia lack 150 thousand mechanics

The shortage of auto mechanics in Russia has reached a critical mark. There are up to five vacancies per staff today. notes Mikhail Kiselev, First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Youth Policy.

[Horse Box]

BBC , NBC and now this along with the Telegram evidence :

https://www.intellinews.com/ragozin-ukraine-s-mobilisation-public-support-vs-private-resistance-326999/

What is the point of this? There are always freeloaders, some people refused to get vaccinations. some people won't pay road tax, some people rip off GaaGo, and some people would like to live in Ukraine but prefer to let someone else defend them.

The point of it all is very clear. It's  an attempt to discredit Ukraine, the victim in this and forced to use conscription as a matter of survival.

No attempt to also highlight the use of 'pressgangs/kidnapping' or the unpopularity of conscription in Russia. That's Russia, the aggressor, who conscripts in order to invade to commit genocide.

It's all they've got left as the NATO, Nazis, coup/sandwich propaganda doesn't withstand any scrutiny whatsoever.

You will find it`s the same aggressor in ukraine as in the Middle East . . . . the USA . 9 Minutes into this will educate you people with the exception of a couple of Posters here who thankfully know what`s what   :

https://youtu.be/mULVrUGh6wo?si=WC8wzcE6anQMn2YF

[Horse Box]

Ignore the Horse Box piece of Kremlin turd spouting pish.

The Russian alarms are going off, it's popcorn time as Russia implodes.
Pegging the Ruble to Yuan and aligning himself with the world's most despised despot is desperation stakes by Putin, a backs to the wall out of all other options move.
The only other option, BRICS, is a self serving group, what they can make to their benefit from Russia.

The Kremlin have used up all their available cash reserves. And as we know, all other cash reserves are frozen. China is dictating the terms in their favour of any further collaboration. Recent secondary sanctions are going to hurt more.The natural gas income has tanked, oil income is much reduced, Gazprom is a lame duck.
3m of the labour force has vanished.
Russia does not have access to the World money markets.
The increased  expense of the war economy which produces only stuff which explodes and is worthless.
The War economy on paper gives a false boost impression of the Russian economy's actual health, in fact the real economy has plummeted.
Most western companies (plus know how/technology)  have left Russia and with them western investors.

The Russian elites know it as well as Putin, the recent Saint Petersburg economic forum is the first time when many Russian officials, elites and so-called elites didn't attend.
The Russian deputy prime minister was openly negative about the future of Russia.
For the first time, the authorities started telling the dark
state of the economy.
The head of the central bank openly admits for the first time that the Russian economy is in pretty bad shape.
And as regards progress on the battlefield, all Russia can offer are yards gained by the month by sacrificing meat recruits in their thousands.

Ignore the truth and calling names , very mature !

Aye the Russian economy is f@cked :

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399