Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Main Street]

I just said let's see, then you went on a rant..

I'll put this out here in case people are stupid enough to think I'm supporting Russia  .. I'm not

You are the sensitive thin skinned emotional sort When I outline the situation that has been happening in Ukraine over 2 years and basically rubbish your statement of what the AFU will or might do in response to yet another civilian massacre in Ukraine, I am on a rant

[theskull1]

Deadly strike on Rafah a tragic mishap, Netanyahu says MSM (actually it hasnt even happened on MSNBC)

I believe them

[Lubo Moravcik]

Deadly strike on Rafah a tragic mishap, Netanyahu says MSM (actually it hasnt even happened on MSNBC)

I believe them

Not sure what your point is - the 'Mainstream media' print and repeat Russian denials and bullshit as well.

Wrong thread?

[theskull1]

People should look up (i.e do your own research) Jewish journalist Max Blumenthal on Twitter. Lubo thinks you shouldn't swallow his bullshit hook, line and sinker.

I'm not sure he's right 

[Lubo Moravcik]

How exactly is watching pro-Russian propagandist Max Blumenthal's YouTube videos 'doing your own reseatch'?

Distrust the MSM, but swallow everything Max has to tell you (straight from the Kremlin). Sure Skull, great research there buddy.

Why not find out a little about Max Blumenthal first (religion irrelevant). . Start your research there.

[burdizzo]

I would have thought nothing was irrelevant if doing "research". Don't know this Max man, meself, but I do dip into "History Legends" for news on the war. It's not Russian propaganda - far from it - but it does pour ridicule on the mainstream narrative.

[Lubo Moravcik]

I would have thought nothing was irrelevant if doing "research". Don't know this Max man, meself, but I do dip into "History Legends" for news on the war. It's not Russian propaganda - far from it - but it does pour ridicule on the mainstream narrative.

What is the 'mainstream narrative'?

[theskull1]

Your caricatured description of 'do your own researchers' Lubo is laughable.

The majority of 'do you're own researchers' suspend belief of anything/anybody until they spend time consuming information from multiple unaligned sources before taking a position and even then keep an open view.

On this topic I listen to the thinking of Glenn Greenwald (System Update), Jeffrey Sachs & John Mearsheimer mainly and compare this to what the main stream want me to think. 

Do your own research folks

[burdizzo]

Poor, brave, righteous, Ukraine is going to win the war. The incompetent, corrupt, and conscripted Russians are using 'human-wave' assaults, and medieval tactics. We must stop Putin before he starts WWIII/ invades the EU.
Also, I'm sure quite a few of the "civilian targets" were not civilian targets, at all. Ukraine is a master of propaganda itself. Perfectly understandable in a war, of course, but it doesn't mean we should report and believe everything Zelensky says as gospel.

[Lubo Moravcik]

Your caricatured description of 'do your own researchers' Lubo is laughable.

The majority of 'do you're own researchers' suspend belief of anything/anybody until they spend time consuming information from multiple unaligned sources before taking a position and even then keep an open view.

On this topic I listen to the thinking of Glenn Greenwald (System Update), Jeffrey Sachs & John Mearsheimer mainly and compare this to what the main stream want me to think. 

Do your own research folks

The problem with your conclusion to your vast meticulous research is that nothing Mearsheimer (it's all NATOs fault), Greenwald or Sachs says stands up to any scrutiny. (That you even entertain Sachs is laughable).

Can you name a single pro-Ukrainian scholar or source that you 'researched' that provided a counter viewpoint to the opinions of those three?

I'm sure there were actually many since you've done your own 'research'.

[Lubo Moravcik]

Poor, brave, righteous, Ukraine is going to win the war. The incompetent, corrupt, and conscripted Russians are using 'human-wave' assaults, and medieval tactics. We must stop Putin before he starts WWIII/ invades the EU.
Also, I'm sure quite a few of the "civilian targets" were not civilian targets, at all. Ukraine is a master of propaganda itself. Perfectly understandable in a war, of course, but it doesn't mean we should report and believe everything Zelensky says as gospel.

Whoa let all that bile out there Burdizzo, let it out. Maybe you'll feel better and lay off of the refugees for a while.

The mainstream 'narrative' shifts and changes as the war changes. Remember when Ukraine wouldn't last 3 weeks against Russia?

Can you point me to a mainstream news source that says Ukraine is definitely going to win this war? The best I've seen is that they 'can' win. Nobody is under any illusion of the difficulty of achieving that.

The Russian army has shown vast levels of incompetence but it's acknowledged that they have learned, adapted and gotten better as the war progressed.

Are you denying Russia is corrupt? Was Alexei Navalny deluded about the levels of corruption in Russia?

Are you denying Russia uses conscription and shows callous disregard for the welfare of their soldiers?

Quite a few civilian targets, weren't civilians targets? Which ones? The shopping malls, maternity hospitals or the civilian apartment blocks?

Can't wait to get over to History Legends and do some 'research'

[theskull1]

One side good ... other side bad.
NATO can come right up to Russia's border and it shouldn't ever be seen as an act of aggression.
One side good ... other side bad.

[armaghniac]

One side good ... other side bad.
NATO can come right up to Russia's border and it shouldn't ever be seen as an act of aggression.
One side good ... other side bad.

If Ukraine wishes to join NATO then that is their business. Norway and now Finland are in NATO and that does not entitle Russia to fire missiles at their DIY superstores and either.

But of course, the reason that Ukraine wants to join NATO is that they want to stop Russia invading them.

[trueblue1234]

One side good ... other side bad.
NATO can come right up to Russia's border and it shouldn't ever be seen as an act of aggression.
One side good ... other side bad.

There's the problem right there. Russia can control what goes on within their borders. Not outside them, which they don't seem to get.

[burdizzo]

Poor, brave, righteous, Ukraine is going to win the war. The incompetent, corrupt, and conscripted Russians are using 'human-wave' assaults, and medieval tactics. We must stop Putin before he starts WWIII/ invades the EU.
Also, I'm sure quite a few of the "civilian targets" were not civilian targets, at all. Ukraine is a master of propaganda itself. Perfectly understandable in a war, of course, but it doesn't mean we should report and believe everything Zelensky says as gospel.

Whoa let all that bile out there Burdizzo, let it out. Maybe you'll feel better and lay off of the refugees for a while.

The mainstream 'narrative' shifts and changes as the war changes. Remember when Ukraine wouldn't last 3 weeks against Russia?

Can you point me to a mainstream news source that says Ukraine is definitely going to win this war? The best I've seen is that they 'can' win. Nobody is under any illusion of the difficulty of achieving that.

The Russian army has shown vast levels of incompetence but it's acknowledged that they have learned, adapted and gotten better as the war progressed.

Are you denying Russia is corrupt? Was Alexei Navalny deluded about the levels of corruption in Russia?

Are you denying Russia uses conscription and shows callous disregard for the welfare of their soldiers?

Quite a few civilian targets, weren't civilians targets? Which ones? The shopping malls, maternity hospitals or the civilian apartment blocks?

Can't wait to get over to History Legends and do some 'research'

No bile in my post, Lubo. And, no, I don't deny that Russia is corrupt, or that they have conscripts. However, the same is true of Ukraine - but I would say Ukraine is probably more careless with the lives of its soldiers, throwing poorly trained conscripts into 'cauldrons' and hopeless situations to hold the line while the more elite units retreat.
Of course, Russia tells lies, too - and I realise Putin is not our friend - but to depict Ukraine as the all-virtuous one is too much to swallow.

Oh yeah - I do believe one of the "civilian targets" was in fact a military meeting. Also, Ukraine blamed Russia for an attack on a marketplace that turned out to have been their own missile. I realise it's war, so propaganda and lies are part of it all, but you really should take a lot of it with a pinch of salt.