Antrim Hurling

[Milltown Row2]

Not sure if you know how it works, someone asks a question and they answer it, now if they can't answer that question that's fine, they can move on, start a different topic, and then ask a question or debate a different topic.

Its fairly easy to understand

I'm not here to tell you what to do, but dodging the question or trying to change the topic is a bit silly

[NorthAntrim]

Agree with the Corrigan point. If the invested money was afforded to another club with larger grounds they could've developed a better facility.

This was discussed at length at the time and I think everyone was in agreement that there could have been better and more central facilities that could have been invested in.

But we are where we are and going over old ground will not make the builders go in and lift the stands at Corrigan and move them to Randalstown or Antrim

Unfortunately with Antrim there has been plenty of if's and everyone is an expert looking in. We'd only, at this point been without Casement had we just kept it open and played there till when the builders came in.

Good point, the money should have been given to Tir na nOg 

I'd say you are one of the clubs with the best facilities in Antrim as it is. There's a ton of land around it to potentially expand (depending on who actually owns that land). TNN, Antrim or Ballymena would have been perfect IMO but I suppose there's no point crying over spilt milk.

From a selfish point of view, I'd love Casement to be built to have that proper home for Antrim GAA although if I'm honest it probably is a waste of money. How many times have Antrim even filled Corrigan for a county match?

If Casement doesn't happen if the Euros pulls the plug on the money is there a case to build something smaller elsewhere? 

Ballymenas new pitch wouldve been a decent one to develop. Plenty of room

[Lord Antrim]

Any know if the million yo yo's from JP has trickled down to clubs yet ?

[SaffronSports]

Agree with the Corrigan point. If the invested money was afforded to another club with larger grounds they could've developed a better facility.

Agree with the Corrigan point. If the invested money was afforded to another club with larger grounds they could've developed a better facility.

This was discussed at length at the time and I think everyone was in agreement that there could have been better and more central facilities that could have been invested in.

But we are where we are and going over old ground will not make the builders go in and lift the stands at Corrigan and move them to Randalstown or Antrim

Unfortunately with Antrim there has been plenty of if's and everyone is an expert looking in. We'd only, at this point been without Casement had we just kept it open and played there till when the builders came in.

Good point, the money should have been given to Tir na nOg 

I'd say you are one of the clubs with the best facilities in Antrim as it is. There's a ton of land around it to potentially expand (depending on who actually owns that land). TNN, Antrim or Ballymena would have been perfect IMO but I suppose there's no point crying over spilt milk.

From a selfish point of view, I'd love Casement to be built to have that proper home for Antrim GAA although if I'm honest it probably is a waste of money. How many times have Antrim even filled Corrigan for a county match?

If Casement doesn't happen if the Euros pulls the plug on the money is there a case to build something smaller elsewhere? 

Ballymenas new pitch wouldve been a decent one to develop. Plenty of room

But we are where we are and going over old ground will not make the builders go in and lift the stands at Corrigan and move them to Randalstown or Antrim

Unfortunately with Antrim there has been plenty of if's and everyone is an expert looking in. We'd only, at this point been without Casement had we just kept it open and played there till when the builders came in.

Good point, the money should have been given to Tir na nOg 

I'd say you are one of the clubs with the best facilities in Antrim as it is. There's a ton of land around it to potentially expand (depending on who actually owns that land). TNN, Antrim or Ballymena would have been perfect IMO but I suppose there's no point crying over spilt milk.

From a selfish point of view, I'd love Casement to be built to have that proper home for Antrim GAA although if I'm honest it probably is a waste of money. How many times have Antrim even filled Corrigan for a county match?

If Casement doesn't happen if the Euros pulls the plug on the money is there a case to build something smaller elsewhere? 

Ballymenas new pitch wouldve been a decent one to develop. Plenty of room

Ballymena would have been excellent. I was at the Camogie final there 2 years ago and you have the parking at the pitch and they had 2 or 3 of those big car parks at the factories on the Woodside Road open as well for cars. Not sure what All Saints own but there's loads of room around it if they could buy some of that land for potential expansions. Obviously, it looks like Casement might happen but if it doesn't I think the time might be to look at other options.

[johnnycool]

Any know if the million yo yo's from JP has trickled down to clubs yet ?

Yes.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Casement was a fantastic surface and a big wide open field.
Not a blind bit of difference did it make to the quality of hurling our county team served up.

Total tripe.

We were largely competitive against anyone. Yes we took some big beatings but nothing on a par with what we regularly ship against the big guns nowadays. 

Amuses me the inferiority complex on here.

Are you being serious?
We're as far away from the big guns today as we have been at any time in the last 25 years (at least)

You've misunderstood.

As I implied we are further away from the big guns than we have ever been.

We never shipped the hidings by the margins we do now on a regular basis.

Really? I went back through our results in the business end of the championship in the 10 years prior to Casement closing.
It was a rare occasion that we played a big gun and didn't ship an awful hiding.
To say that "we were largely competitive against anyone" just simply isn't true.

2004
Lost to Cork 2-26 to 0-10 (22)

2005
Lost to Limerick 4-25 to 1-09 (25)
Lost to Galway 3-29 to 0-10 (28)
Lost to Laois 0-21 to 1-16 (2)

2006
We were in the Christy Ring Cup

2007
Lost to Clare 3-21 to 2-15 (9)
Beat Laois 1-23 to 1-13
Lost to Galway 2-31 to 1-09 (25)

2008
Lost to Galway 6-21 to 1-10 (26)
Lost to Waterford 6-18 to 0-15 (21)
Beat Laois 2-18 to 0-16

2009
Lost to Laois 0-18 to 1-12 (3)
Lost to Offaly 1-28 to 0-13 (18)

2010
Beat Carlow 2-18 to 3-12
Beat Dublin 1-17 to 0-19
Lost to Cork 1-25 to 0-19 (9)

2011
Beat Westmeath 2-25 to 1-19
Beat Carlow 0-23 to 1-12
Lost to Limerick 3-22 to 0-12 (19)

2012
Lost to Limerick 8-26 to 1-15 (32)

2013
Lost to Wexford 3-18 to 0-17 (10)

[imtommygunn]

Only in the 90s and under Danny Cahill have we been very competitive. We've made really good progress under gleeson though. We were at a low ebb before he came in and he's really turned it round.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Only in the 90s and under Danny Cahill have we been very competitive. We've made really good progress under gleeson though. We were at a low ebb before he came in and he's really turned it round.

Most of the years between the closure of Casement and the appointment of Gleeson we hurled out of Ballycastle, not Corrigan.
Anybody who thinks that our pitch has any bearing on why we are not top table standard at senior inter county hurling needs their head looked at.
Our juvenile teams are miles off it every single year so we're extremely unlikely to produce senior teams that can properly compete at the top table.

And "The 90s" is maybe a bit of a stretch too. There was the odd big performance and hard luck story but, I mean, we didn't even make it out of Ulster on 3 occasions

[Oso]

Only in the 90s and under Danny Cahill have we been very competitive. We've made really good progress under gleeson though. We were at a low ebb before he came in and he's really turned it round.

Most of the years between the closure of Casement and the appointment of Gleeson we hurled out of Ballycastle, not Corrigan.
Anybody who thinks that our pitch has any bearing on why we are not top table standard at senior inter county hurling needs their head looked at.
Our juvenile teams are miles off it every single year so we're extremely unlikely to produce senior teams that can properly compete at the top table.

And "The 90s" is maybe a bit of a stretch too. There was the odd big performance and hard luck story but, I mean, we didn't even make it out of Ulster on 3 occasions

Why did your list of drubbings end in 2013?

Why did it not start in the mid 80's when we did play on casement?

You highlighted one sentence that I said and completely ignored what I said after the full stop...that we still shipped big beatings.

You produced a handful of big beatings in your statistics you rolled out.  What are you comparing them to? Why did you stop at 2013? Why didn't you include the Corrigan years? 

What are you comparing Einstein? Apples to apples or apples to nothing??

For God's sake man, we couldn't even win the Christy Ring cup, we made up all the excuses of the day why we failed to perform in croke park etc..
We couldn't play on a proper pitch against second tier teams who we could see off no bother in Corrigan.   We ran out of steam and very exposed big time against Kerry the year we did win it.... Because we couldn't handle the pitch, nothing to do with occasion or anytime else.  The excuses were embarrassing.

Would you rather we kept it tight in Corrigan in Feb and march and when we have to go elsewhere take a tanking or would you rather we played on a pitch that we should expect to encounter when it matters??

No one said we'd be winning national leagues or all Ireland's, but setting up to play on a small (by club standards) pitch, with diabolical goalmouths (likely played a part in the last goal we conceded last weekend against the dubs) and a heavy sod is not how to progress an intercounty team on any front.

You proved your total lack of insight when you knocked us nothing getting out of Ulster. That Down team that beat us back then in Ulster, they went on to give Cork the fright of their lives in the semi final. And that Derry team also delivered in croke park, they were very competitive, they didn't fold like a pack of cards like we do now outside Corrigan when we have to run.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Erm, it ended at 2013 because that's when Casement closed....which was what we were comparing today against.

The point being no matter where our pitch is we have always taken tankings.

As for not winning Ulster in the 90s. You can't say you are competitive if you aren't doing that. Simple.
Not sure why you are mentioning Derry as they didn't win Ulster in the 90s, Mr Insight.


And you mention making pathetic excuses. This pitch ballix is one big excuse!

[Oso]

Erm, it ended at 2013 because that's when Casement closed....which was what we were comparing today against.

The point being no matter where our pitch is we have always taken tankings.

As for not winning Ulster in the 90s. You can't say you are competitive if you aren't doing that. Simple.
Not sure why you are mentioning Derry as they didn't win Ulster in the 90s, Mr Insight.


And you mention making pathetic excuses. This pitch ballix is one big excuse!

As I had already said, we have always taken hidings (read the whole thing man, then you won't look like a fool)....now we ship them virtually every day out against a big gun.

Merely quoting the margin of defeat is a lazy man's argument. We shipped some heavy defeats in the 90s and up to 2010 or thereabouts because teams took us seriously and saw us as a threat and even within some of those games we were more competitive than the scoreline would suggest.  Now we ship drubbings from second strings playing within their comfort zone.  Your stats don't reflect any of that. In other words they're s#@t!

Why not throw out the bearings by more than 20 points since 2013 for comparison?

I'm not making excuses, far from it. We are poor, we are nowhere near the top teams, but accepting the set up we accept and expecting anything different is unrealistic. 

If you're content with poor to mediocre then you'll be happy with Corrigan.  Corrigan isn't the only problem there are loads to address......but let's not pretend it's not a problem.

[Oso]

Oh and btw I'm very aware Derry beat us in 2000 rather than the 90's.
 
You're right.....a totally different generation of players!

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

2021
Lost to Laois 2-27 to 2-21 (6)

2022
Lost to Cork 3-27 to 2-19 (11)

2023
Drew with Dublin 1-19 to 1-19
Lost to Wexford 1-30 to 1-26 (4)
Lost to Kilkenny 5-31 to 3-20 (17)
Lost to Galway 5-29 to 1-22 (19)

That's our most recent top tier championship results.

[imtommygunn]

Only in the 90s and under Danny Cahill have we been very competitive. We've made really good progress under gleeson though. We were at a low ebb before he came in and he's really turned it round.

Most of the years between the closure of Casement and the appointment of Gleeson we hurled out of Ballycastle, not Corrigan.
Anybody who thinks that our pitch has any bearing on why we are not top table standard at senior inter county hurling needs their head looked at.
Our juvenile teams are miles off it every single year so we're extremely unlikely to produce senior teams that can properly compete at the top table.

And "The 90s" is maybe a bit of a stretch too. There was the odd big performance and hard luck story but, I mean, we didn't even make it out of Ulster on 3 occasions

Ok more mid to late 80s . That was a very good down team too.

Considering our results at underage I think we are punching well above our weight. There always seems to be a thing in Antrim that because we do very well in club every now and again and we got to an all Ireland final once or twice we think we should be competing with the big boys.

[Milltown Row2]

I still think Antrim have the biggest loss in an All Ireland final? 

Anyways it's the goal mouth that's beating us!  Christ, I really don't think he believes what 'turd' he posts

The fact that Glen are bang average is enough to know Oso is a WUM