Man Utd Thread:

[statto]

Not rocket science when you get a winger playing on his strong side able to get to the by line and make proper crosses which create chances.

Contrast that with Rashford on other side who seemed that last night was the first time ever he had been introduced to a football. Shocking how far his performance levels have dropped from last season.

None of the top teams in the league play with out and out wingers, your traditional wide player that plays on his "normal side" ie right footer or right wing  and left footer on left wing is pretty redundant among any top side and they play in the main with wide forwards who cut inside or their favoured foot. 

This narrative United supporters have that Hojlund doesn't get chances as United don't play with out and out wingers is a myth, they have had average 14 shots per game in the league this season and City have had 16.  Hojlund looks out of his depth and spending 72 million on a lad with 9 goals in Serie A looks to be another blunder from ETH in the transfer market. 

[NAG1]

Not rocket science when you get a winger playing on his strong side able to get to the by line and make proper crosses which create chances.

Contrast that with Rashford on other side who seemed that last night was the first time ever he had been introduced to a football. Shocking how far his performance levels have dropped from last season.

None of the top teams in the league play with out and out wingers, your traditional wide player that plays on his "normal side" ie right footer or right wing  and left footer on left wing is pretty redundant among any top side and they play in the main with wide forwards who cut inside or their favoured foot. 

This narrative United supporters have that Hojlund doesn't get chances as United don't play with out and out wingers is a myth, they have had average 14 shots per game in the league this season and City have had 16.  Hojlund looks out of his depth and spending 72 million on a lad with 9 goals in Serie A looks to be another blunder from ETH in the transfer market. 

It's not about traditional wingers or harking back to days gone by, it's a simple attacking principle if Garnacho can actually go down the line and either make a cross or a pass quite quickly is a bonus. He is however competent or confident enough to also come inside and get a shot off on his left foot as he demonstrated last night. This means he has the quality to do both and makes him harder to defend against.

Contrast this with the other side when Rashford can 'only' come inside on his favoured foot as he has zero impact or ability to go on his left, making the team and attack more predictable.

It is about having a variety in attack, being able to play through balls for Hojlund to run on too, being able to play down the wings attacking from both sides and being able to pick passes around the box etc.

[5times5times]

ETH has made 16 signings so far.. Have any of them worked?

• Martínez + Casemiro always croked @ £107m total
• Antony, maybe one of worst players to ever play for MUFC?
• Mount @ £55m, another WTF signing
• Højlund, 9 goals in Serie A...
• 4 keepers, and all dung so far, esp Onana.

• Tyrell Malacia, £15.7m
• Christian Eriksen, free
• Lisandro Martínez, £56.7m
• Casemiro, £52m
• Antony, £85.6m
• Martin Dubravka, loan
• Wout Weghorst, loan
• Jack Butland, loan
• Marcel Sabitzer, loan
• Mason Mount, £55m
• André Onana, £44.1m
• Rasmus Højlund, £72m
• Jonny Evans, free
• Altay Bayindir, £4.3m
• Sofyan Amrabat, loan
• Sergio Reguilón, loan

[AustinPowers]

ETH has definitely  signed his fair share  of stinkers, but you could also  say  the only signing  that proved a success since Fergie retired, was Zlatan

As for Hojlund,  as much as I want him to  succeed , it was mad spending  70+ million when another few quid  would have got you Kane , a proven goal scorer

[Maroon Manc]

There's a shortage of top centre forwards about and the board wouldn't go for Kane, United overpaid for Hojlund as Atlanta had them by the balls as there was other clubs were in for him. I like what he brings to the team and expect him to be eventually to be a success although another centre forward has to be signed.

Hope this major clearout comes this summer, Dalot and Wan Bisaka continue to depress me! Just not good enough but you can't help feel that Ten Hag likes Dalot, more so for his ability to beat the press because it can't be much else. I'd keep Varane ahead of Maguire & Lindelof but can't blame him for wanting to leave if the club are trying to renegotiate his contract.

Casemiro was outstanding last season but been poor on the few occasions he's played this season so is playing for his future but given his age and astronomical wages they might sell him anyway.

We're all looking for some competency in the transfer market, no manager gets every signing right but Uniteds strike record is utterly appalling the last decade and that has to change.

[NAG1]

There's a shortage of top centre forwards about and the board wouldn't go for Kane, United overpaid for Hojlund as Atlanta had them by the balls as there was other clubs were in for him. I like what he brings to the team and expect him to be eventually to be a success although another centre forward has to be signed.

Hope this major clearout comes this summer, Dalot and Wan Bisaka continue to depress me! Just not good enough but you can't help feel that Ten Hag likes Dalot, more so for his ability to beat the press because it can't be much else. I'd keep Varane ahead of Maguire & Lindelof but can't blame him for wanting to leave if the club are trying to renegotiate his contract.

Casemiro was outstanding last season but been poor on the few occasions he's played this season so is playing for his future but given his age and astronomical wages they might sell him anyway.

We're all looking for some competency in the transfer market, no manager gets every signing right but Uniteds strike record is utterly appalling the last decade and that has to change.

Genuinely hoping that the new structure will stop the scatter gun approach of recent seasons in the market. Big ask but here's hoping.

[Maroon Manc]

There's a shortage of top centre forwards about and the board wouldn't go for Kane, United overpaid for Hojlund as Atlanta had them by the balls as there was other clubs were in for him. I like what he brings to the team and expect him to be eventually to be a success although another centre forward has to be signed.

Hope this major clearout comes this summer, Dalot and Wan Bisaka continue to depress me! Just not good enough but you can't help feel that Ten Hag likes Dalot, more so for his ability to beat the press because it can't be much else. I'd keep Varane ahead of Maguire & Lindelof but can't blame him for wanting to leave if the club are trying to renegotiate his contract.

Casemiro was outstanding last season but been poor on the few occasions he's played this season so is playing for his future but given his age and astronomical wages they might sell him anyway.

We're all looking for some competency in the transfer market, no manager gets every signing right but Uniteds strike record is utterly appalling the last decade and that has to change.

Genuinely hoping that the new structure will stop the scatter gun approach of recent seasons in the market. Big ask but here's hoping.

Would like to think so, United could have had Bellingham for £25m and Haaland for a pittance but didn't for different reasons. Talks of Ratcliffe buying others clubs which makes sense at Brexit is limiting United buying younger players like City have done.

Antony for £80m will go down as United's worst signing of all time, Ten Hag should have known better but Murtough will have had to go his boss and make the case too; Know for a fact that United's in-house scouting/analyists didn't rate him and wasn't high up on their list. If he really is on wages of £200k he'll be a lot harder to shfit then Sancho/

Mainoo and Garnacho both look like top players in the making so its not all doom and gloom.

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There's a shortage of top centre forwards about and the board wouldn't go for Kane, United overpaid for Hojlund as Atlanta had them by the balls as there was other clubs were in for him. I like what he brings to the team and expect him to be eventually to be a success although another centre forward has to be signed.

Hope this major clearout comes this summer, Dalot and Wan Bisaka continue to depress me! Just not good enough but you can't help feel that Ten Hag likes Dalot, more so for his ability to beat the press because it can't be much else. I'd keep Varane ahead of Maguire & Lindelof but can't blame him for wanting to leave if the club are trying to renegotiate his contract.

Casemiro was outstanding last season but been poor on the few occasions he's played this season so is playing for his future but given his age and astronomical wages they might sell him anyway.

We're all looking for some competency in the transfer market, no manager gets every signing right but Uniteds strike record is utterly appalling the last decade and that has to change.

Genuinely hoping that the new structure will stop the scatter gun approach of recent seasons in the market. Big ask but here's hoping.

Would like to think so, United could have had Bellingham for £25m and Haaland for a pittance but didn't for different reasons. Talks of Ratcliffe buying others clubs which makes sense at Brexit is limiting United buying younger players like City have done.

Antony for £80m will go down as United's worst signing of all time, Ten Hag should have known better but Murtough will have had to go his boss and make the case too; Know for a fact that United's in-house scouting/analyists didn't rate him and wasn't high up on their list. If he really is on wages of £200k he'll be a lot harder to shfit then Sancho/

Mainoo and Garnacho both look like top players in the making so its not all doom and gloom.

Agree on Mainoo and Garnacho.
Recruitment simply has to be better. Certainly buying 30 year olds and putting them on enormous contracts simply has to stop. It's the behaviour of Camel League clubs.

[Captain Obvious]

ETH has made 16 signings so far.. Have any of them worked?

• Martínez + Casemiro always croked @ £107m total
• Antony, maybe one of worst players to ever play for MUFC?
• Mount @ £55m, another WTF signing
• Højlund, 9 goals in Serie A...
• 4 keepers, and all dung so far, esp Onana.

• Tyrell Malacia, £15.7m
• Christian Eriksen, free
• Lisandro Martínez, £56.7m
• Casemiro, £52m
• Antony, £85.6m
• Martin Dubravka, loan
• Wout Weghorst, loan
• Jack Butland, loan
• Marcel Sabitzer, loan
• Mason Mount, £55m
• André Onana, £44.1m
• Rasmus Højlund, £72m
• Jonny Evans, free
• Altay Bayindir, £4.3m
• Sofyan Amrabat, loan
• Sergio Reguilón, loan

Half the signings are free or loan deals not the way any serious club should operate.

On Harry Kane would Tottenham allow him to be sold to another Premier league club and would Harry want to join especially when Bayern Munich declared an interest?

[NAG1]

ETH has made 16 signings so far.. Have any of them worked?

• Martínez + Casemiro always croked @ £107m total
• Antony, maybe one of worst players to ever play for MUFC?
• Mount @ £55m, another WTF signing
• Højlund, 9 goals in Serie A...
• 4 keepers, and all dung so far, esp Onana.

• Tyrell Malacia, £15.7m
• Christian Eriksen, free
• Lisandro Martínez, £56.7m
• Casemiro, £52m
• Antony, £85.6m
• Martin Dubravka, loan
• Wout Weghorst, loan
• Jack Butland, loan
• Marcel Sabitzer, loan
• Mason Mount, £55m
• André Onana, £44.1m
• Rasmus Højlund, £72m
• Jonny Evans, free
• Altay Bayindir, £4.3m
• Sofyan Amrabat, loan
• Sergio Reguilón, loan

Half the signings are free or loan deals not the way any serious club should operate.

On Harry Kane would Tottenham allow him to be sold to another Premier league club and would Harry want to join especially when Bayern Munich declared an interest?

I think it was made pretty clear at the time that Levy wouldn't sell to United. So not sure it is fair to blame them on this one.

[thewobbler]

Levy had little or nothing to do with it. Harry Kane wasn't leaving Spurs so he could go sideways / backwards with United. It's not 2004 anymore folks.

[Cunny Funt]

From Premierleague.com


The United players with the most shots this season

1. Fernandes 47
2. Garnacho 43
3. Marcus Rashford 42

On Target

1. Fernandez 17
2. McTominay 14
3. Rashford 12

Your forward should be top of the list for shots but Rasmus Højlund in comparison shots 19 and on target 8.  There was an article published in the telegraph recently stating he received the fewest passes of any forward in the league which explains why he isn't in the top three for shots.  Last night chances was created for him and unlucky not to score at least one goal. That was against a league one outfit and on Sunday against Tottenham it will likely be back to the norm of this season with the likes of Fernandez,McTominay,Rashford and Garnacho taking on shots than to create chances for Rasmus.

[AustinPowers]

Levy had little or nothing to do with it. Harry Kane wasn't leaving Spurs so he could go sideways / backwards with United. It's not 2004 anymore folks.

Casemiro and Varane went backwards.  As did Mount , well sideways at least.   Onana and Antony  moved to a club with as  much chance (or less) of  success as the clubs they were with.  Their wages likely quadrupled  at United , so   Kane  could have been possible  had he been  offered a silly money contract

[Armagh18]

I'm not comparing the two and obviously Haaland is a much better player at this point, but swap him and Hojlund and Haaland would be struggling in that United team as well. Hojlund would score plenty in that City team.

[Armagh18]

Levy had little or nothing to do with it. Harry Kane wasn't leaving Spurs so he could go sideways / backwards with United. It's not 2004 anymore folks.

Casemiro and Varane went backwards.  As did Mount , well sideways at least.   Onana and Antony  moved to a club with as  much chance (or less) of  success as the clubs they were with.  Their wages likely quadrupled  at United , so   Kane  could have been possible  had he been  offered a silly money contract

United need to get away from giving wankers crazy money. Young hungry lads like Garnacho are the way forward. Pricks like Sancho are a waste of time getting a clean fortune and not giving a f**k. Antony isn't good enough but his effort can't be faulted.