Man Utd Thread:

[Captain Scarlet]

Ronaldo has his history and Varane is hardly young and hungry. Sancho in fairness is the type of lad they should go after.
Liverpool are able to buy players at lower prices and less wages because they want to play for Klopp and win. If you were looking to step up in your career you would hardly be mad keen to go to United.

[Mourne Red]

Ronaldo has his history and Varane is hardly young and hungry. Sancho in fairness is the type of lad they should go after.
Liverpool are able to buy players at lower prices and less wages because they want to play for Klopp and win. If you were looking to step up in your career you would hardly be mad keen to go to United.

The names Liverpool have brought in though aren't exactly unknowns.. Diaz, Thiago, Konate were on Uniteds list of names but weren't big enough names marketing wise, something we need to correct.

By my reckoning we need a RB, CB, a CDM, CM, LW and ST.

List of Players for each position

RB - Lampety or Spence (Forest)
CB - Timber, Kounde, Botman, Denayer
CDM - We will have Garner back which is a positive but Tcouchemi from Monaco would be a fanatic addition
CM - Phillips or Tielemens
Lw/St - Jonathan David of Lille can play anywhere across the front so would be a great option to pick up if Nunez of Benfica is too expensive

[gallsman]

Would honestly love to let Roy Keane lose on that spineless bundle of feckers.

Yeah that didn't work with Jonny Walters. Nobody gives a f**k about Keane.

[Armamike]

  The thing is United, even dangling massive wages, can't compete with City or Liverpool as the young and hungry players they need will want to go to those rivals.


Wow. Are you sure you're not throwing a bit out when nobody is looking, just to make it seem half empty?

United were attractive enough for Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho just 10 months ago.

They're one of maybe 10 clubs in Europe who'll hand out half a million a week.

A clearout is essential - your highest paid players have to deliver frequently - but a rebuild shouldn't be an overly onerous task. It might take 3-4 season instead of 1 to genuinely challenge for the PL, but putting together a team strong enough to give Liverpool a game shouldn't need more than a good window.

If Man U are going to challenge for trophies in 3 or 4 seasons they're going to need 90-100% success rate with signings. 

[thewobbler]

  The thing is United, even dangling massive wages, can't compete with City or Liverpool as the young and hungry players they need will want to go to those rivals.


Wow. Are you sure you're not throwing a bit out when nobody is looking, just to make it seem half empty?

United were attractive enough for Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho just 10 months ago.

They're one of maybe 10 clubs in Europe who'll hand out half a million a week.

A clearout is essential - your highest paid players have to deliver frequently - but a rebuild shouldn't be an overly onerous task. It might take 3-4 season instead of 1 to genuinely challenge for the PL, but putting together a team strong enough to give Liverpool a game shouldn't need more than a good window.

If Man U are going to challenge for trophies in 3 or 4 seasons they're going to need 90-100% success rate with signings.

By the 2024/25 season Liverpool should be unrecognisable from now. They're a ream of contract expiries in the next 2 seasons, and a ream of lads who will be in the autumn of their careers. As a club they seem to buy exceptionally well.... But so to did United not all that long ago. So they shouldn't be out of sight.

Chelsea could lose basically their entire defence and midfield backbone by end of 2023 season, and they surely can't get as lucky again with an owner.

Spurs and Arsenal aren't structured to chase elite players at their peak so would need everything to fall into place to compete.

Newcastle would need to take exceptional strides to move up 40 points in 3 years. Money will of course help but I just don't see them challenging unless the bigger sides fall in their swords simultaneously.

City are their own basket case. It would probably be the best thing for competitive football if they were to complete their project this season, win the CL and Guardiola to ride off into the sunset. The rest of the league needs them to have managerial turmoil and player unrest so that it gives everyone else a chance every couple of seasons, like Chelsea under Abramovich.   

[Armamike]

In theory all of those scenarios are possible but how probable is it that all of those will come to pass to let Man U slip back in? Kind of suggests that all the others will screw up while Man U will from next season start afresh and start to get things right (for the first time in 10 years).  They will need so many things  to go right, within their own control (different owners, a world class manager, a near perfect record in recruitment etc) and outside their control (banking on others to fail).  There are so many variables here for Man U to grapple with. 

[Milltown Row2]

In theory all of those scenarios are possible but how probable is it that all of those will come to pass to let Man U slip back in? Kind of suggests that all the others will screw up while Man U will from next season start afresh and start to get things right (for the first time in 10 years).  They will need so many things  to go right, within their own control (different owners, a world class manager, a near perfect record in recruitment etc) and outside their control (banking on others to fail).  There are so many variables here for Man U to grapple with.

It happens, there was no signs that Liverpool were going to head on and win the title until Klopp came along, it's take 6 years for them to be pushing honors in every competition.. Utd has problems at their core, so from the bottom up things need changing.

The cash cow is still their so the money side of things will still allow them to compete in the market, but that will only last for a while and if Newcastle start flashing the cash then it will limit the players available that would have went to Utd.

Not good period and probably worse than the old mid 80's when at least then they could win the FA cup and played with a bitta flare

[Louther]

MR2, I think you wrong on that. A few years prior to Klopp, Brendan Rodgers came very close to title. The yanks where in place and actively planning new stadium or expansion, new training ground was in place and football structure was in place. They'd been moving in the right way and recruitment was good.

The wage structure was managed. Sterling was one player who looked big money to stay, even if he wanted to really and knew it wasn't going to happen. But the lines where drawn and not broken.

Edwards and his team in place. All of this appealed to Klopp. He had power to leave players out as he say fit - Shakho been one. The structure supported this. Their academy was already showing positive signs. They even survived a high change of staff where Gerard left and took 6/7 with him to Rangers.

United seem to have stalled totally on all these fronts and threw good money after bad to fix and plug holes.

Klopp takes lot of credit but shouldn't overlook what he walked into. It was a good fit. If it's to be believed he turned down United before this happened. You don't need to know why. United couldn't offer him a fit that he wanted to work in.

These are the issues that Neville is making post match. They've fallen behind so far off the pitch and a lot been left to rot for years. A few big signings and high wages keep the commercial profit strong.

How long will it the real changes to happen? It's more than a new manager. It's a big part too.

And hoping that other clubs fall as per The Wobbler post. There is little to suggest that other clubs mentioned are going backwards when they spend well and wisely. Liverpoool buying players for the future now, Chelsea with dozens out on loan and City with their funds. No sudden fall from Grace there.

[Armamike]

In theory all of those scenarios are possible but how probable is it that all of those will come to pass to let Man U slip back in? Kind of suggests that all the others will screw up while Man U will from next season start afresh and start to get things right (for the first time in 10 years).  They will need so many things  to go right, within their own control (different owners, a world class manager, a near perfect record in recruitment etc) and outside their control (banking on others to fail).  There are so many variables here for Man U to grapple with.

It happens, there was no signs that Liverpool were going to head on and win the title until Klopp came along, it's take 6 years for them to be pushing honors in every competition.. Utd has problems at their core, so from the bottom up things need changing.

The cash cow is still their so the money side of things will still allow them to compete in the market, but that will only last for a while and if Newcastle start flashing the cash then it will limit the players available that would have went to Utd.

Not good period and probably worse than the old mid 80's when at least then they could win the FA cup and played with a bitta flare

Man u  will be back. Its a matter of when rather than if. Their history, size and spending power will always give them the chance to get back to the top. But hard to see how the club rebuilding process can start with the current owners.

[bigarsedkeeper]

Things could change more quickly than you'd like to think. As well as Liverpool are run at the minute, Klopp is a major part of why they are as good as they are. When, and it might be a few years yet, things could change very quickly. Liverpool and City have the 2 best managers in the game at the minute and being there long term is a huge positive for them. It will be interesting to see how it goes when they eventually move on. Ferguson was convinced he left a great team for the next manager - didn't work out.

United have to make massive changes in the club and get rid of most of the squad and staff that are there at the minute. Maybe that has started but maybe it's just different people doing the same thing. They are big enough to turn it around quickly but that's not guaranteed under the Glazers.

My hope for next year is a few new players in, a few more out the door and the new manager gets them playing a decent brand of football. Liking the team you support is always nice.

[bigarsedkeeper]

Ten Hag announced - best of luck to him.

[trailer]

Utd need the Glazers out or they need them to mend their ways. If either happens then a return to the top is possible but if they continue to make the same mistakes as they have over this past 10 years then I think it is very difficult for any manager to bring success.

[johnnycool]

Ten Hag announced - best of luck to him.

He ignored Van Gaal when he was told that Utd are a Commercial club and not a football club......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUs8IAp0ng4

[Geoff Tipps]

Twenty Hag wouldn't sort United nevermind Ten 

[Armagh18]

Twenty Hag wouldn't sort United nevermind Ten