The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

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Tough run of fixtures coming up until the end of January. Good job they've a ten point lead with a game in hand! I would expect the reserves out against Everton.

Thu Dec 26th 20:00 Leicester City Away
Sun Dec 29th 16:30 Wolverhampton Wanderers Home
Thu Jan 2nd 20:00 Sheffield United Home
Sun Jan 5th 16:00 Everton Home FA Cup
Sat Jan 11th 17:30 Tottenham Hotspur Away
Sun Jan 19th 16:30 Manchester United Home
Thu Jan 23rd 20:00 Wolverhampton Wanderers Away

Started that run of matches with a ten point lead.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think they'd stretch the lead out to 16! 

Yep unreal. I was sure the gap would be closed a bit. They've rode their luck while not at their best but I suppose that's the sign of a great team.
If they click properly they really could achieve something extraordinary this year.
Just on Salah, wonder what Liverpool fans in general think of him. He can be frustrating at times with his selfishness and did the wrong thing on a few occasions last night at very critical points in a difficult game. It can be a trend with him.
Would cashing in on him if the offer was crazy be good business? No better man than Klopp to make it to the teams improvement.

From my side if Madrid offered £130m for Salah at 27 and you could get Werner at 23 for £70m you would have to consider it from a forward planning perspective. Dont get me wrong, I do not want to get rid as Salah is a brillant player and for all his frustrating moments he is a game changer and they are few and far between. However, Liverpool know better than most what happens to even great teams if you dont constantly keep one eye to next years team and the year after. 

[gallsman]

Hadnt been as selfish recently but was back at it last night. Still had a big part in the winner tho. Frustrating.

Tho i know that wasnt the question you asked 😃

Not intentionally so. Tried a stupid drag back that wasn't there at all and ball fell kindly.

[trueblue1234]

Tough run of fixtures coming up until the end of January. Good job they've a ten point lead with a game in hand! I would expect the reserves out against Everton.

Thu Dec 26th 20:00 Leicester City Away
Sun Dec 29th 16:30 Wolverhampton Wanderers Home
Thu Jan 2nd 20:00 Sheffield United Home
Sun Jan 5th 16:00 Everton Home FA Cup
Sat Jan 11th 17:30 Tottenham Hotspur Away
Sun Jan 19th 16:30 Manchester United Home
Thu Jan 23rd 20:00 Wolverhampton Wanderers Away

Started that run of matches with a ten point lead.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think they'd stretch the lead out to 16! 

Yep unreal. I was sure the gap would be closed a bit. They've rode their luck while not at their best but I suppose that's the sign of a great team.
If they click properly they really could achieve something extraordinary this year.
Just on Salah, wonder what Liverpool fans in general think of him. He can be frustrating at times with his selfishness and did the wrong thing on a few occasions last night at very critical points in a difficult game. It can be a trend with him.
Would cashing in on him if the offer was crazy be good business? No better man than Klopp to make it to the teams improvement.

From my side if Madrid offered £130m for Salah at 27 and you could get Werner at 23 for £70m you would have to consider it from a forward planning perspective. Dont get me wrong, I do not want to get rid as Salah is a brillant player and for all his frustrating moments he is a game changer and they are few and far between. However, Liverpool know better than most what happens to even great teams if you dont constantly keep one eye to next years team and the year after.

They should take whatever cash they have and try and make sure Klopp goes nowhere in the near future. Whatever about signing Alisson, VVD etc this squad would not be near the level they are at if another manager was in charge in my view. The progress and development of players has been exceptional. Salah is a perfect example of this. Prior to Liverpool he always had glimpses of class but was inconsistent. Those glimpses are now regular and he has consistently been a match winner. But I believe there are other Salah's out there who under Klopp's management and coaching could become world class as well. However I think there is a very limited number of managers who would have the same effect as Klopp on squad development.

[brokencrossbar1]

I listened to a podcast last night which had Kylian Mbappe on it. He waxed very lyrical about the club and Klopp. I was really surprised at how smart and grounded he seems for a 21 year old with the football world at his feet. It may be a pure pipe dream but the idea of him in the team would be unreal. I'd happily let Salah go to Madrid if it meant him coming to Liverpool.

[Milltown Row2]

I listened to a podcast last night which had Kylian Mbappe on it. He waxed very lyrical about the club and Klopp. I was really surprised at how smart and grounded he seems for a 21 year old with the football world at his feet. It may be a pure pipe dream but the idea of him in the team would be unreal. I'd happily let Salah go to Madrid if it meant him coming to Liverpool.

How would he fit into the pay structure at Liverpool?

[thewobbler]

I listened to a podcast last night which had Kylian Mbappe on it. He waxed very lyrical about the club and Klopp. I was really surprised at how smart and grounded he seems for a 21 year old with the football world at his feet. It may be a pure pipe dream but the idea of him in the team would be unreal. I'd happily let Salah go to Madrid if it meant him coming to Liverpool.

How would he fit into the pay structure at Liverpool?

In the same way Sanchez did at United.

One way to guarantee a dressing room goes wandering is to pay a kid twice as much as anyone else at the club.

[Ambrose]

Klopp doesn't buy world class players like Mbappe, instead he transforms already good players into world class players. Mbappe would command a fee of €300m, Liverpool don't need to spend anything like that on one player.

[thewobbler]

Klopp doesn't buy world class players like Mbappe, instead he transforms already good players into world class players. Mbappe would command a fee of €300m, Liverpool don't need to spend anything like that on one player.

It's somewhere between odd and galling to read nonsense like this. He paid world record transfer fees for a goalkeeper and a defender. So he will happily buy the "finished article" when the opportunity is presented.

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Mbappe reportedly earns £375-400k a week at PSG, or roughly twice as much as the current highest earner at Liverpool.

Presuming he won't move for anything less than a trivial pay cut, he would therefore have to utterly decimate the pay structures.

A problem for any club. But for Scouse, where every regular player apart from TAA and Lopez is aged 25+, and therefore in the market for a huge pay demand - the one that sets them up for life -  on their next contract offer, this is either financial suicide, or else the destruction of the squad.

[Ambrose]

Ray Charles could see that we needed a world class goalkeeper and centre half, yes we did pay huge money, but those records have since been broken and Alisson and Van Dyjk look like relative bargains now.

TAA, Gomez, Matip and Robertson have all developed into world class players under Klopp. Trent is now one of the most valuable defenders in the game and he's only 21.

Look at our midfield, Henderson is odds on to be player of the year, he gets better with every game. Fabinho is without doubt the best defensive midfielder in the league and any of our other options in the middle are all thriving under Klopp.

People like you laughed when we bought Salah, a player who wasn't given a chance at Chelsea. Who's laughing now, our front three have all developed into world class players under Klopp. Minamino is a ready made replacement for any of the three, are you telling me he won't thrive under Klopp?

The galling thing for you is that we beat Spurs so comprehensively in the CL final, we didn't really have to get out of second gear. We controlled the game from start to finish. Spurs don't belong in big games like that. They have imploded since Madrid. Madrid was the end for you, we're only getting started.

[thewobbler]

Ambrose.

A simple "actually, Klopp does have a history of paying world record fees for mature players who will slot straight into the first team" would have sufficed.

Or you can keep reversing over a carcass if you like.

But it's already dead.

Up to you.

[trileacman]

Ambrose.

A simple "actually, Klopp does have a history of paying world record fees for mature players who will slot straight into the first team" would have sufficed.

Or you can keep reversing over a carcass if you like.

But it's already dead.

Up to you.

You're an awful arrogant w**ker.

[Armamike]

Ambrose.

A simple "actually, Klopp does have a history of paying world record fees for mature players who will slot straight into the first team" would have sufficed.

Or you can keep reversing over a carcass if you like.

But it's already dead.

Up to you.

When you call someone's post nonsense, don't expect to get a response you like!

[gawa316]

Klopp doesn't buy world class players like Mbappe, instead he transforms already good players into world class players. Mbappe would command a fee of €300m, Liverpool don't need to spend anything like that on one player.

It's somewhere between odd and galling to read nonsense like this. He paid world record transfer fees for a goalkeeper and a defender. So he will happily buy the "finished article" when the opportunity is presented.

——

Mbappe reportedly earns £375-400k a week at PSG, or roughly twice as much as the current highest earner at Liverpool.

Presuming he won't move for anything less than a trivial pay cut, he would therefore have to utterly decimate the pay structures.

A problem for any club. But for Scouse, where every regular player apart from TAA and Lopez is aged 25+, and therefore in the market for a huge pay demand - the one that sets them up for life -  on their next contract offer, this is either financial suicide, or else the destruction of the squad.

VVD and Allison were both world record transfer fees but does that mean they were world class?

Many a fan ridiculed the fee paid for VVD at the time and still to this day argue other players are better.

Allison has one good season at Roma, was his name bandied around as one of the best in the world at this time?

[bendurback]

You're talking absolute rubbish wobbler.

The general consensus when van dyke was bought from Southampton was not that he was a world class player, rather Liverpool were widely questioned for paying such a large fee for him. I believe Klopp has played a key role in van dyke becoming one of the best (if not the best)central defenders in the world.

At this moment in time I'd consider both Liverpool's starting full backs, Fabinho and the front three to all be world class. I don't think any of them would have been considered to be world class prior to working under Klopp. He quite clearly has the ability to get the very best out of players. There are many more examples in Liverpool's squad of Klopp having improved a player with potential than there are of him having dug into the wallet to buy a "finished article".

[thewobbler]

Look.

Klopp is clearly a fantastic coach. Almost every player he has worked with at Liverpool has improved tactically and technically. I have only genuine respect for this.

Klopp is clearly an outstanding motivator and leader. This rings so clearly when you recall the regularity of late victories the past two years, and by viewing just how willing and ready squad players are when they're called on to do a job.

And Liverpool's transfer policy - let's call it a derivation of moneyball - is clearly suited to and is reaping dividends from having Klopp at the helm.

Anybody willing to argue those points has either an agenda, or an attention disorder.

But at the same time, the inference / belief that Liverpool are achieving this solely by polishing hidden gems is bewildering. The ability to do this is intrinsic to their strategy, but two of the most important decisions made to shore up a defence that had a tendency to give opponents a chance, was to spend a world record fee on a defender, and a world record fee on a goalkeeper, both of whom went straight into the first team before the ink dried.

Whether they were unanimously perceived as world-class isn't as relevant. Whether they've subsequently improved as players under Klopp isn't as relevant. For they weren't bought as part of a medium term plan, they were bought to complete the puzzle as quickly as humanly possible. That's surely the definition of buying the finished article. It's not the club strategy, but is definitely a part of the strategy, when the numbers add up.