Man Utd Thread:

[magpie seanie]

How could you write so much without mentioning the overwhelming main reason for all of this? The mind truly does boggle. I'll address some of it though which I found to be particularly unfair and it's in relation to the manager and his staff.....

Long reply Seanie, but I'm not so sure we're as far apart on this as you seem to think.

Of course everything comes back to the parasites that own the club, I thought this went without saying. Every misturn and poorly thought out strategy in the last decade stems from decisions made by these people and their executives - decisions made to maximise corporate exploitation and nothing else. If this goal ever allied with footballing success it was simply a bonus, but this has never been a priority. My question is where is the supporter outrage at this situation? 10 years ago we had green and gold scarves and threats of boycotts, but all I see now is meek acceptance of the status quo. Supporters will probably never be able to force these c***ts out, but at least make a noise and let it be known that you're unhappy about things.

Where I think we diverge is on Solskjaer and his backroom team. Like all supporters, I would've loved for a fairytale success story here but it's not going to happen. Of course they're trying their best, but the quality isn't there. The club has a manager who hasn't earned the right to manage at this level and coaches plucked from retirement or from the academy without the necessary experience and skills for the job at hand. It would be nice to share your optimism that the situation is much better than when Solskjaer first took change, but by every reasonable metric that just doesn't seem to be the case. Results have not improved, the football is still dreadful, and most of the biggest problems in the playing squad have not been addressed. It's also difficult to say with any certainty what sort of footballing philosophy Solskjaer brings to the place, what style of play is he attempting to implement - I'm sure it's something he and his staff are working on, but to date he has failed to get his players to consistently express anything encouraging. I also have my doubts about the strength of the manager's position within the club. He was given a job he didn't deserve by certain people and they will always have this leverage over him. This must make it very difficult for Solskjaer to go to the same people demanding the resources he wants and needs to improve the football team.

While the Glazers will still run the clubs to line their own pockets, I don't think they would be averse to a managerial change if supporters so demanded - and that is what should be happening. No one, probably not even the man himself, has any faith that Solskjaer will be in charge in two or three years time, so why would any prospective signing with ambition or a desire to carve out a career agree to join such an uncertain situation? What is the real reason Haaland choose to go to Dortmund? To get back to where it wants to be, and within the constraints created by the ownership, the club needs a stronger, more attractive figurehead leading the footballing side of things. Ideally, someone with a track record of creating a bit of identity about a team and with a reputation for giving talented young players an opportunity. In short, a Klopp type figure to which quality players and quality coaches will be attracted. I don't know who this might be, but United have the resources to go to all but the top ten or so clubs in the world and tell them to name their price, so there have to be options out there. There's no good reason to persist with the current failing experiment.

Ole may not be the man to bring United the whole way back to the top but I'm convinced what he's doing in these early rebuilding stages are the correct steps so far. The inconsistency and lack of being competitive is difficult to endure. However, I don't think changing manager at this stage will improve things. That's probably where we differ. I'm not worried about his lack of prior managerial experience. Coaching in soccer seems to be a young mans game these days. Lots of relatively inexperienced managers doing well in the Premier League.

[Boycey]

We've had the

Fergie clone - didn't work
Wise old head - didn't work
Serial winner - didn't work
Former Player - isn't working?

Whats next..

[snoopdog]

We've had the

Fergie clone - didn't work
Wise old head - didn't work
Serial winner - didn't work
Former Player - isn't working?

Whats next..

Moyes was hardly a Fergie clone.
Lvg was past it.
Mourinho lost the team by rightly criticising them. once he knew the board wouldn't back him he was waiting on the sack.
Ole as much as we all love him . He really hasn't a notion. .

[general]

Man Utd offer Ashley Young a New 1 Year deal to fend off Inter Milan Interest.

at £120k per week id be giving him for no fee ffs

[snoopdog]

Man Utd offer Ashley Young a New 1 Year deal to fend off Inter Milan Interest.

at £120k per week id be giving him for no fee ffs

Idiots. Get rid. He is done. Sums up the issue with utd.

[Taylor]

Man Utd offer Ashley Young a New 1 Year deal to fend off Inter Milan Interest.

at £120k per week id be giving him for no fee ffs

This should be in the WTF thread.

Unbelievable 

[GetOverTheBar]

Man Utd offer Ashley Young a New 1 Year deal to fend off Inter Milan Interest.

at £120k per week id be giving him for no fee ffs

And this, pretty much in a nut shell explains the madness of Manchester United

[BennyCake]

I think the offer is to stop him leaving now. As they need cover until summer. Him signing a new deal doesn't mean he won't leave in summer.

[trailer]

I think the offer is to stop him leaving now. As they need cover until summer. Him signing a new deal doesn't mean he won't leave in summer.

That makes no sense.

[GetOverTheBar]

I think the offer is to stop him leaving now. As they need cover until summer. Him signing a new deal doesn't mean he won't leave in summer.

It's purely to stop the PR Disaster of club captain, leaving on a free and being known midseason.

United are in an absolute state at the minute. I really don't know where you would even begin.

[BennyCake]

I think the offer is to stop him leaving now. As they need cover until summer. Him signing a new deal doesn't mean he won't leave in summer.

That makes no sense.

I always remember back in 1995. Cole was signed, Mark Hughes got injured next match and out for a few weeks. While out injured, he signed a new 2 year deal. Hughes still left that summer.

Same sort of thing. The new deal thing means nothing. It's just a ruse to try to be seen keeping all parties happy, while behind the scenes everyone knows Young (like Hughes) will leave.

[brokencrossbar1]

Young can sign a pre-contract now with Inter. The deal makes no sense whatsoever unless they genuinely want him to stay. That's the crazy thing!

[Jeepers Creepers]

I think the offer is to stop him leaving now. As they need cover until summer. Him signing a new deal doesn't mean he won't leave in summer.

That makes no sense.

I always remember back in 1995. Cole was signed, Mark Hughes got injured next match and out for a few weeks. While out injured, he signed a new 2 year deal. Hughes still left that summer.

Same sort of thing. The new deal thing means nothing. It's just a ruse to try to be seen keeping all parties happy, while behind the scenes everyone knows Young (like Hughes) will leave.

He is leaving the summer. Improved wage offer was to keep him from going now with the defensive injuries Utd have.

Say what you want about him he seems to be one of a few that seems to give a f**k in that squad but that is where Utd are.

[magpie seanie]

Word is he isn't accepting the new contract and wants to leave now.

[screenexile]

Word is he isn't accepting the new contract and wants to leave now.

Embarrassing!