The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ken-early-football-s-new-age-neutralises-philosophies-of-the-past-1.3874358

"When Liverpool scored after 15 seconds against Huddersfield Town on Friday night, one common reaction would have been to bemoan the lack of competitiveness in the Premier League, and wonder if there was anything else on television. But this was one of the most interesting goals you'll see all season, and it's worth analysing what happened in detail.

From the kick-off, Huddersfield go back to holding midfielder Jon Gorenc Stankovic, who plays it right to central defender Christopher Schindler. Daniel Sturridge closes Schindler down, and Sadio Mane is close to the right back Tommy Smith, so Schindler plays it back to goalkeeper Jonas Lössl and runs towards the right corner of the Huddersfield box to make himself available for a return pass.

Except Sturridge has angled his run to close down Lössl such that he is also threatening that return pass to Schindler, and he has Mane in support. The other centre half, Terence Kongolo, has split to the left corner of the Huddersfield box, but Mohamed Salah is close by: too risky. The easiest available pass is up the middle to Stankovic, who is unmarked and appears to be in space.

Appearances can be deceptive. Naby Keïta is a good 15 yards away from Stankovic, on the far side of another Huddersfield midfielder, Jonathan Hogg. Hogg is pointing and gesticulating to team-mates and paying no attention to Keïta, whose orientation at this moment seems to be entirely defensive.

In fact Keïta is waiting to spring the trap. As the ball goes back to Lössl, he knows his team-mates are leaving the goalkeeper with only two options: hit it long, or pass to Stankovic in the middle. At the precise instant he sees Lössl has chosen the short rather than the long pass, Keïta takes off, goes past Hogg before Hogg realises what is happening, and arrives on Stankovic's blindside as he turns with the ball and attempts to pass. Keïta blocks the ball to the nearby Salah, runs into the area, collects the return pass and scores.


The interesting thing about the goal was that you'd never have seen one like it in the Premier League of 10 years ago. These 15 seconds showed some of the ways the game has changed.

First, Huddersfield were trying to play the ball out from the back, rather than simply humping it into Liverpool's half. This mightn't seem like a very clever idea for a team like Huddersfield: maybe they'd be better off playing long ball rather than trying to be some kind of sad cargo-cult Barcelona. Sure, if Lössl had just launched it they wouldn't have conceded this particular goal. But would they have been any more successful over the course of the season? Cardiff have been true to the old-school approach, and it hasn't done them much good.

There's no runner there, the ball's just, there's only one ball, close it down!

Huddersfield would have got away with that opening sequence against most teams. This time they were destroyed by the superb organisation of Liverpool's press – most obviously the timing of Keïta's burst forward into the challenge, but also the angle Sturridge chose to cut off, the positioning of Salah and Mane. It was a team goal to which four players contributed, and two of them didn't even touch the ball.

This is what top-level football is about now – team moves so rapid and automatic you have to watch it back several times to figure out what just happened."

[trailer]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ken-early-football-s-new-age-neutralises-philosophies-of-the-past-1.3874358

"When Liverpool scored after 15 seconds against Huddersfield Town on Friday night, one common reaction would have been to bemoan the lack of competitiveness in the Premier League, and wonder if there was anything else on television. But this was one of the most interesting goals you'll see all season, and it's worth analysing what happened in detail.

From the kick-off, Huddersfield go back to holding midfielder Jon Gorenc Stankovic, who plays it right to central defender Christopher Schindler. Daniel Sturridge closes Schindler down, and Sadio Mane is close to the right back Tommy Smith, so Schindler plays it back to goalkeeper Jonas Lössl and runs towards the right corner of the Huddersfield box to make himself available for a return pass.

Except Sturridge has angled his run to close down Lössl such that he is also threatening that return pass to Schindler, and he has Mane in support. The other centre half, Terence Kongolo, has split to the left corner of the Huddersfield box, but Mohamed Salah is close by: too risky. The easiest available pass is up the middle to Stankovic, who is unmarked and appears to be in space.

Appearances can be deceptive. Naby Keïta is a good 15 yards away from Stankovic, on the far side of another Huddersfield midfielder, Jonathan Hogg. Hogg is pointing and gesticulating to team-mates and paying no attention to Keïta, whose orientation at this moment seems to be entirely defensive.

In fact Keïta is waiting to spring the trap. As the ball goes back to Lössl, he knows his team-mates are leaving the goalkeeper with only two options: hit it long, or pass to Stankovic in the middle. At the precise instant he sees Lössl has chosen the short rather than the long pass, Keïta takes off, goes past Hogg before Hogg realises what is happening, and arrives on Stankovic's blindside as he turns with the ball and attempts to pass. Keïta blocks the ball to the nearby Salah, runs into the area, collects the return pass and scores.


The interesting thing about the goal was that you'd never have seen one like it in the Premier League of 10 years ago. These 15 seconds showed some of the ways the game has changed.

First, Huddersfield were trying to play the ball out from the back, rather than simply humping it into Liverpool's half. This mightn't seem like a very clever idea for a team like Huddersfield: maybe they'd be better off playing long ball rather than trying to be some kind of sad cargo-cult Barcelona. Sure, if Lössl had just launched it they wouldn't have conceded this particular goal. But would they have been any more successful over the course of the season? Cardiff have been true to the old-school approach, and it hasn't done them much good.

There's no runner there, the ball's just, there's only one ball, close it down!

Huddersfield would have got away with that opening sequence against most teams. This time they were destroyed by the superb organisation of Liverpool's press – most obviously the timing of Keïta's burst forward into the challenge, but also the angle Sturridge chose to cut off, the positioning of Salah and Mane. It was a team goal to which four players contributed, and two of them didn't even touch the ball.

This is what top-level football is about now – team moves so rapid and automatic you have to watch it back several times to figure out what just happened."

Ken is making that sound more complicated than it actually was. Liverpool were trying to get the ball back, the keeper gave a bad pass and they were punished. It's nothing to do with springing a trap.

[Over the Bar]

Pariahs of Europe up to their usual antics it seems.

https://twitter.com/BTVideoClips/status/1123408577128030209?s=19

[screenexile]

https://twitter.com/MagrinyaJordi/status/1123328540856942597

Absolute pricks . . . left the place in a state as well!!!

Blah blah blah it's only a minority whatever it still shouldn't happen!

[trueblue1234]

https://twitter.com/MagrinyaJordi/status/1123328540856942597

Absolute pricks . . . left the place in a state as well!!!

Blah blah blah it's only a minority whatever it still shouldn't happen!

I agree, they are pricks. And off course it shouldn't happen. They should be arrested and Liverpool should take action to ban them as well.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

[J70]

https://twitter.com/MagrinyaJordi/status/1123328540856942597

Absolute pricks . . . left the place in a state as well!!!

Blah blah blah it's only a minority whatever it still shouldn't happen!

I agree, they are pricks. And off course it shouldn't happen. They should be arrested and Liverpool should take action to ban them as well.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Apparently the likes of the pea-brained Over the Bar thinks that all Liverpool fans are like that and support that type of disgraceful conduct.

One of the benefits of this age is that everything is filmed, and scumbags like this can be named and shamed and punished.

The state of yer man - he looks old enough to be a grandfather FFS.

[Over the Bar]

https://twitter.com/MagrinyaJordi/status/1123328540856942597

Absolute pricks . . . left the place in a state as well!!!

Blah blah blah it's only a minority whatever it still shouldn't happen!

I agree, they are pricks. And off course it shouldn't happen. They should be arrested and Liverpool should take action to ban them as well.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Apparently the likes of the pea-brained Over the Bar thinks that all Liverpool fans are like that and support that type of disgraceful conduct.

One of the benefits of this age is that everything is filmed, and scumbags like this can be named and shamed and punished.

The state of yer man - he looks old enough to be a grandfather FFS.

No-one suggested the majority you dimwit but unfortunately a significant number of Liverpool, Chelsea and Rangers support get up to this sort of shit everytime they step into Europe.  You should club together. 

[trueblue1234]

https://twitter.com/MagrinyaJordi/status/1123328540856942597

Absolute pricks . . . left the place in a state as well!!!

Blah blah blah it's only a minority whatever it still shouldn't happen!

I agree, they are pricks. And off course it shouldn't happen. They should be arrested and Liverpool should take action to ban them as well.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Apparently the likes of the pea-brained Over the Bar thinks that all Liverpool fans are like that and support that type of disgraceful conduct.

One of the benefits of this age is that everything is filmed, and scumbags like this can be named and shamed and punished.

The state of yer man - he looks old enough to be a grandfather FFS.

No-one suggested the majority you dimwit but unfortunately a significant number of Liverpool, Chelsea and Rangers support get up to this sort of shit everytime they step into Europe.  You should club together.

Do you really want to scratch at that itch. You don't have to go that far back for United fans misbehaving.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-fan-handed-three-13957067
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/manchester-united-psg-charged-uefa-supporters-di-maria-bottle-champions-league-supporters-a8777636.html

Maybe United can join the club as well 

[Denn Forever]

Is this what happened?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16To6fL_XVY

[Over the Bar]

https://twitter.com/MagrinyaJordi/status/1123328540856942597

Absolute pricks . . . left the place in a state as well!!!

Blah blah blah it's only a minority whatever it still shouldn't happen!

I agree, they are pricks. And off course it shouldn't happen. They should be arrested and Liverpool should take action to ban them as well.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Apparently the likes of the pea-brained Over the Bar thinks that all Liverpool fans are like that and support that type of disgraceful conduct.

One of the benefits of this age is that everything is filmed, and scumbags like this can be named and shamed and punished.

The state of yer man - he looks old enough to be a grandfather FFS.

No-one suggested the majority you dimwit but unfortunately a significant number of Liverpool, Chelsea and Rangers support get up to this sort of shit everytime they step into Europe.  You should club together.

Do you really want to scratch at that itch. You don't have to go that far back for United fans misbehaving.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-fan-handed-three-13957067
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/manchester-united-psg-charged-uefa-supporters-di-maria-bottle-champions-league-supporters-a8777636.html

Maybe United can join the club as well 

You've a few tubes at every game.  Barcelona was not a few. It took 100s if not 1000s to produce that carnage the filthy tramps.  Wouldn't be surprised if the beer was also robbed.

[J70]

https://twitter.com/MagrinyaJordi/status/1123328540856942597

Absolute pricks . . . left the place in a state as well!!!

Blah blah blah it's only a minority whatever it still shouldn't happen!

I agree, they are pricks. And off course it shouldn't happen. They should be arrested and Liverpool should take action to ban them as well.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Apparently the likes of the pea-brained Over the Bar thinks that all Liverpool fans are like that and support that type of disgraceful conduct.

One of the benefits of this age is that everything is filmed, and scumbags like this can be named and shamed and punished.

The state of yer man - he looks old enough to be a grandfather FFS.

No-one suggested the majority you dimwit but unfortunately a significant number of Liverpool, Chelsea and Rangers support get up to this sort of shit everytime they step into Europe.  You should club together.

"Pariahs of Europe up to their usual antics"

YOU suggested that.

And you just did again. "Every time they step into Europe"?

[Farrandeelin]

All we need is manfromdelmonte's Class and Dignity FC quip, with a few of you LFC fans reminding of how shit Everton are.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Did we ever find out what 8 pubs that dickhead OTB heard songs sang at a few months back - he disappeared for a while 

[JoG2]

Did we ever find out what 8 pubs that d**khead OTB heard songs sang at a few months back - he disappeared for a while 

He'll be more nervous about tonight's game than Liverpool fans! He belongs in the WTF thread. Madman

[Geoff Tipps]

Did we ever find out what 8 pubs that d**khead OTB heard songs sang at a few months back - he disappeared for a while 

He'll be more nervous about tonight's game than Liverpool fans! He belongs in the WTF thread. Madman

Clearly a disturbed individual.