Man Utd Thread:

[NAG1]

Talk of Marhez to Liverpool. I think he is quality and already well used to the PL. I would like to see him at Utd instead of looking at a winger who has no PL experience and has played in a one team league the last 5 years.

Mourinho doesn't play with wingers. If Mahrez came he'd reduce the opportunities for Martial and Rashford.....same goes for Ozil. No thanks.

Mahrez will probably go to Liverpool and do very well.

The same would go for Moura and the two lads already there, no Ozil would play as a winger under JM anyway he would have to be a number 10. His lack of discipline during games for Arsenal at the minute wouldnt sit well with JM either. Despite his undoubted talent.

[magpie seanie]

I'm not doing a good job sticking to my pledge  but all I hope for is that when Mourinho goes that Martial and Rashford are still at the club and haven't had their confidence wrecked.

[Maroon Manc]

Talk of Marhez to Liverpool. I think he is quality and already well used to the PL. I would like to see him at Utd instead of looking at a winger who has no PL experience and has played in a one team league the last 5 years.

I can't see Liverpool signing Mahrez, they already have Salah and Mane who will be in the African Nations cup this time next year.

Looks like the top managers don't rate him, United, Spurs & Arsenal could all do with a player of his type but none of them have made a move for him. 

United could get Zaha back on the cheap if they wanted but I don't see that happening, United put in a huge sell on clause with Palace hence why they sold him for only £3m.

[Geoff Tipps]

Talk of Marhez to Liverpool. I think he is quality and already well used to the PL. I would like to see him at Utd instead of looking at a winger who has no PL experience and has played in a one team league the last 5 years.

I can't see Liverpool signing Mahrez, they already have Salah and Mane who will be in the African Nations cup this time next year.

Looks like the top managers don't rate him, United, Spurs & Arsenal could all do with a player of his type but none of them have made a move for him. 

United could get Zaha back on the cheap if they wanted but I don't see that happening, United put in a huge sell on clause with Palace hence why they sold him for only £3m.

No they won't and either will Keita!! AFCON moved to summer 

[Il Bomber Destro]

The Glazers have raped the club for hundreds of millions and chronically underinvested in the squad, particularly after Ronaldo left. A few high cost signings in recent years shouldn't hide that. People seem unable to grasp the magnitude of cash we're talking about....it is astronomical. United should be able to spend 200M easily at every window and would be able to if they were not privately owned. In fact, I saw a report recently documenting the economic value of players and if anything the likes of Pogba and Lukaku were a steal at their prices given the economic benefit they can potentially generate. And make no mistake - that is how they evaluate these things. They haven't really any interest in the club winning the Champions League or Premier League bar it being additional revenue. A nice bonus but not the main reason for any purchase of players.

I can understand if not agree with Ferguson not speaking out against the owners even though it seemed contradictory to his oft publicised beliefs. He believed it was possible and perhaps even desirable to operate under such frugal circumstances. He worked miracles in his latter years to win leagues with poor squads (relatively) but perhaps this led to him (a) overestimating his players (b) underestimating the opposing teams and/or (c) not realising that no manager ever again will be able to demand successfully the same commitment as he got from those groups.

The episode with the horse and all that was a serious error of judgement and destabilised the club badly. There are other things.

However, he got and appreciated the history of the club. His teams mostly tried to play in an attacking manner and be true to the clubs history. At times that wasn't possible (due to injuries/poor form or latterly not that talented squads) and another way to win had to be found. He wasn't out picking fights or moaning after every single game about some bullshit. Not saying he didn't on occasion but it wasn't after every single game.

As for Bobby Charlton - his legacy on the pitch has few peers in this history of the game never mind Manchester United.

Ah come off it.

United are one of the highest spending clubs in the world since the Glazers took control, consistently. The only key player they sold off was Ronaldo and generally when Barcelona or Madrid come calling for the EPL's top players that is it, there is little the clubs can do to change the player's mind.

It was not a case of Glazers neglecting investment, Ferguson blew an awful amount of money on very average players and short term fixes in his last few years, they paid Arsenal £22m for a player in the last year of his contract which would be the equivalent of £50m in today's terms and got one good season from him.  Ferguson spent massive money on the likes of Nani, Young, Anderson, Berbatov.

Year on year United would generally be in or around the top 5 spending clubs in Europe. Lack of investment from the board is not the problem, it's the poor investments they have made which is. The thing is that the league is now much more competitive, United for the majority of Ferguson's managerial career was the man with the most cash to spend in his latter years Chelsea and City were able to rival him and the titles didn't flow as freely as before, that's changed now although it's noticeable that Chelsea have really began to tighten their belts in the past few seasons.

Since Abramhovic took charge of Chelsea in 2003, the titles began to slow up for Chelsea, up until then Ferguson was really able to exert his financial muscle on the rest of the league, United's financial power in comparison to the rest of the league would be similar to Bayern Munich. It's not the Glazer's that's the problem in that, it's that other clubs also got wealthy owners who came in and could now begin to rival United in spending power.

[magpie seanie]

Amazing. Every word you said is wrong.

[theyellowbus]

The Glazers have raped the club for hundreds of millions and chronically underinvested in the squad, particularly after Ronaldo left. A few high cost signings in recent years shouldn't hide that. People seem unable to grasp the magnitude of cash we're talking about....it is astronomical. United should be able to spend 200M easily at every window and would be able to if they were not privately owned. In fact, I saw a report recently documenting the economic value of players and if anything the likes of Pogba and Lukaku were a steal at their prices given the economic benefit they can potentially generate. And make no mistake - that is how they evaluate these things. They haven't really any interest in the club winning the Champions League or Premier League bar it being additional revenue. A nice bonus but not the main reason for any purchase of players.

I can understand if not agree with Ferguson not speaking out against the owners even though it seemed contradictory to his oft publicised beliefs. He believed it was possible and perhaps even desirable to operate under such frugal circumstances. He worked miracles in his latter years to win leagues with poor squads (relatively) but perhaps this led to him (a) overestimating his players (b) underestimating the opposing teams and/or (c) not realising that no manager ever again will be able to demand successfully the same commitment as he got from those groups.

The episode with the horse and all that was a serious error of judgement and destabilised the club badly. There are other things.

However, he got and appreciated the history of the club. His teams mostly tried to play in an attacking manner and be true to the clubs history. At times that wasn't possible (due to injuries/poor form or latterly not that talented squads) and another way to win had to be found. He wasn't out picking fights or moaning after every single game about some bullshit. Not saying he didn't on occasion but it wasn't after every single game.

As for Bobby Charlton - his legacy on the pitch has few peers in this history of the game never mind Manchester United.

Ah come off it.

United are one of the highest spending clubs in the world since the Glazers took control, consistently. The only key player they sold off was Ronaldo and generally when Barcelona or Madrid come calling for the EPL's top players that is it, there is little the clubs can do to change the player's mind.

It was not a case of Glazers neglecting investment, Ferguson blew an awful amount of money on very average players and short term fixes in his last few years, they paid Arsenal £22m for a player in the last year of his contract which would be the equivalent of £50m in today's terms and got one good season from him.  Ferguson spent massive money on the likes of Nani, Young, Anderson, Berbatov.

Year on year United would generally be in or around the top 5 spending clubs in Europe. Lack of investment from the board is not the problem, it's the poor investments they have made which is. The thing is that the league is now much more competitive, United for the majority of Ferguson's managerial career was the man with the most cash to spend in his latter years Chelsea and City were able to rival him and the titles didn't flow as freely as before, that's changed now although it's noticeable that Chelsea have really began to tighten their belts in the past few seasons.

Since Abramhovic took charge of Chelsea in 2003, the titles began to slow up for Chelsea, up until then Ferguson was really able to exert his financial muscle on the rest of the league, United's financial power in comparison to the rest of the league would be similar to Bayern Munich. It's not the Glazer's that's the problem in that, it's that other clubs also got wealthy owners who came in and could now begin to rival United in spending power.

Your not serious about that surely??

[stew]

Always liked Lingard. Hopefully he can maintain this form. He has an awful lot of big goals in his young career. Kudos to LVG for giving him his chance when no one else thought he was going to make it.

I'm laying off the Mourinho comments (trying to anyway). I don't want to annoy people (Boycey for example) so I'll stop.....I think my position is fairly clear.

Yeovil away in the FA Cup.

Pile on that kn**ker Seanie, he is unfit to manage United, Bobby Charlton was right all along, no new contract for that w**ker, show him the door, he is way past his sell by date and is the most miserable multi millionaire I have ever encountered!

Quite ironic you mention Bobby Charlton, he's certainly more miserable than Mourinho.

He is a top three United player of all time and he was in the Munich Air Disaster were he lost a lot of his best friends, I can understand his demeanor to a point.

Mourinho is some way off equaling some of Fergie's antics.

Ferguson is the best there ever was at what he does, Mourinho is nowhere near that class.

There's plenty of reds out there who remain disappointed by Fergie and his refusal to say a bad word against our owners. Could have walked away from the club and told the truth but his greed gets the better of him and has stayed on earning millions in his ambassador role.

Who are you to say what Ferguson should have done, he knows these people! You know, the people who have pumped hundreds and hundreds of millions into MUFC and in the Mourinho era they have come nowhere winning the league, won a Europa cup and league cump for their effrts. How much  of their money is enough to satisfy United fans? If it is the debt they have added, that is negated by the fact they are worth a couple of billion more now if they were to sell today than when they took over, the debt has been pared somewhat and still you bitch about the big bad Glazers.

You show you ignorance by claiming the Glazers have pumped millions into the club and by neglecting the affect their penny pinching has had on the club and the knock on affect that has had since Fergie left. All our best players were sold or got old and weren't replaced. Its clear to see in the accounts what went on a huge % of the clubs revenue went on interest and finance payments.

As for Fergie he's not beyond criticism, threatening to sue a huge shareholder in the club been a particular highlight.

You show your ignorance by thinking United simpy got Pogba from the magic money fairly who decided to give them Pogba for example for being nice guys! If you think Bailly, Pogba and Di Maria cost the Glaziers nothing you are an idiot!

I dont care about the Glazers, I would prefer different owners but the fact remains that United are one of the power spenders in world football, they own the club and they sanction these mega transfers, the clubs managers have not been good enough to reap the rewards from the players they brought in, and that you cannot pin on the Glazers, what you can pin on them is the fact they pumped debt into the club but even these vast amounts are negated by what the club is worth globally, when they sell and they will, they will make billions and fair play to them, they bought the club at the right time and invested their money, as long as they take their debt with them when they go the Shiek or whatever business entity buys them can start with a fresh, hopefully better approach, with better players and much better coaches.

[NAG1]

Always liked Lingard. Hopefully he can maintain this form. He has an awful lot of big goals in his young career. Kudos to LVG for giving him his chance when no one else thought he was going to make it.

I'm laying off the Mourinho comments (trying to anyway). I don't want to annoy people (Boycey for example) so I'll stop.....I think my position is fairly clear.

Yeovil away in the FA Cup.

Pile on that kn**ker Seanie, he is unfit to manage United, Bobby Charlton was right all along, no new contract for that w**ker, show him the door, he is way past his sell by date and is the most miserable multi millionaire I have ever encountered!

Quite ironic you mention Bobby Charlton, he's certainly more miserable than Mourinho.

He is a top three United player of all time and he was in the Munich Air Disaster were he lost a lot of his best friends, I can understand his demeanor to a point.

Mourinho is some way off equaling some of Fergie's antics.

Ferguson is the best there ever was at what he does, Mourinho is nowhere near that class.

There's plenty of reds out there who remain disappointed by Fergie and his refusal to say a bad word against our owners. Could have walked away from the club and told the truth but his greed gets the better of him and has stayed on earning millions in his ambassador role.

Who are you to say what Ferguson should have done, he knows these people! You know, the people who have pumped hundreds and hundreds of millions into MUFC and in the Mourinho era they have come nowhere winning the league, won a Europa cup and league cump for their effrts. How much  of their money is enough to satisfy United fans? If it is the debt they have added, that is negated by the fact they are worth a couple of billion more now if they were to sell today than when they took over, the debt has been pared somewhat and still you bitch about the big bad Glazers.

You show you ignorance by claiming the Glazers have pumped millions into the club and by neglecting the affect their penny pinching has had on the club and the knock on affect that has had since Fergie left. All our best players were sold or got old and weren't replaced. Its clear to see in the accounts what went on a huge % of the clubs revenue went on interest and finance payments.

As for Fergie he's not beyond criticism, threatening to sue a huge shareholder in the club been a particular highlight.

You show your ignorance by thinking United simpy got Pogba from the magic money fairly who decided to give them Pogba for example for being nice guys! If you think Bailly, Pogba and Di Maria cost the Glaziers nothing you are an idiot!

I dont care about the Glazers, I would prefer different owners but the fact remains that United are one of the power spenders in world football, they own the club and they sanction these mega transfers, the clubs managers have not been good enough to reap the rewards from the players they brought in, and that you cannot pin on the Glazers, what you can pin on them is the fact they pumped debt into the club but even these vast amounts are negated by what the club is worth globally, when they sell and they will, they will make billions and fair play to them, they bought the club at the right time and invested their money, as long as they take their debt with them when they go the Shiek or whatever business entity buys them can start with a fresh, hopefully better approach, with better players and much better coaches.

No they didnt

[Maroon Manc]

Ignorance is bliss.

United in for Sanchez apparently, don't see it happening though.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Amazing. Every word you said is wrong.

You're wrong.

As an example - 2008/09

Real Madrid spent €70m. They had a net spend of about €10m
Barcelona spent €88m. They had a net spend of about €30m.
Chelsea spent £37m. They  had a net spend of about £10m.
Inter spent about €40m and had a net spend of that.
Bayern Munich spent zilch and took in about €10m.
United spent about £50m and took in about £10m leaving them with a net spend of £40m.
Man City spent about £110m that season after their takeover with a net spend of about £95m.

Their capture of Berbatov in 08/09 was the most 2nd most expensive transfer in Europe that season, so it's time for a reality check, only City really had a higher net spend that season than United and most seasons will read in a similar path with United always being up there.

Most seasons have played out in a similar manner. United have consistently been one of the highest spending clubs in Europe over the past 10-15 years. I think your problem is that you view current spending by clubs in the context of the past but all the market has seen is inflation, it's generally the same clubs doing the same spending at inflated rates bar a few new entrants like PSG and City to a certain degree.

[Maroon Manc]

What about 2009/10 bomber?

Sellling Ronaldo and letting Tevez leave whilst replacing them with Valencia & Owen.

United's net finance costs in 2009 were £117m and £108m in 2010.

[Il Bomber Destro]

What about 2009/10 bomber?

Sellling Ronaldo and letting Tevez leave whilst replacing them with Valencia & Owen.

United's net finance costs in 2009 were £117m and £108m in 2010.

When Madrid and Barca come calling there is little you can do with keeping players.

Real Madrid made a profit of €100m in the transfer market this summer, even the biggest clubs have to balance the books now and again.

[Maroon Manc]

arf, you're just on the wind up.

[magpie seanie]

arf, you're just on the wind up.

If someone won't listen to logic then that's a fair assumption.