Man Utd Thread:

[Boycey]

Great win for Utd. Arsenal can be really shite when they want to be. Imagine city with those chances!? Pogba red card ( which was a moment if madness as he was away )took the gloss off slightly. He and De Gea are two players utd cannot do without.

Harsh on Arsenal mate, I don't think they missed too many sitters and played really well only to meet a keeper on the very top of his game. Excellent game, United were absolutely devastating on the counter attack and for all the attacking of Arsenal I always thought there was the potential for a United goal every time they got up the field.

I wouldn't have much problem with the red for Pogba, he's not in control and could have injured the guy but for me it's about momentum not malice. He's trying to nick it over Bellerin and continue on with his run.

It'd be nice to beat City next week to keep some semblance of a title race going if nothing else..

[David McKeown]

In real time I thought it was horrendous but on replays it's clear he's going at speed, is stretching to the flick the ball which he does but in so doing his foot comes up slightly raising his studs. Those have to come down again and the only place it can is on Ballerin but again Bellerin's knee is not were you expect it to be and it's not a knee high challenge so to speak.

It's definitely one of those challenges that looked far worse than it was with a serious of factors all coming together.

Interestingly there was a challenge from Ozil that was about as high on Herrera but because Herrera was in a more orthodox position it only caught him around the ankle and was correctly a yellow card.

[HiMucker]

I dont know.  I've watched that incident a number of times now.   I think it was a deliberate moment of madness.  I accept that it could be interpreted differently, but that's how it looked to me.  Only pogba will know for sure.

[Maroon Manc]

Great win, United very good on counter attack and we looked like scoring every time we crossed the halfway line.

The majority of De Gea's saves were nothing special, his save from Lukaku and the double save at 2-1 show why he's on of the world top keeper if not the best but Arsenal didn't create anything like the clear cut chances some of the media have made out. United need to get Lukaku, Pogba & Martial working harder when United don't have the ball. Pogba far too often lets a player run of the back of him which was the cause of Arsenal's goal yesterday although Rojo didn't cover himself in glory although it does look like he thought Smalling was trying to play offside when he was getting closer to his marker.

Pogba was very unlucky, good to see some of the pundits talk a bit of sense, its far from a clear cut decisions. Bellerin has made a challenge in a very unorthodox position; I just don't see what Pogba is supposed to do, he's flicked the ball and because of where Bellerin is I just don't see what else he can do with is right foot. I can see why the ref has sent him off but I hope United appeal, its not a reckless challenge and doubt it was deliberate.

Arsenal should have had a pen and Koscielny should have seen red, there was no way Bellerin was close enough to stop Lukaku from from getting a shot in on goal.

There's plenty of positives to take from the way United have played the last 2 games but I'm sure Jose is going to demand more from certain players when we're not in possession. United are still a work iin progress.

[OgraAnDun]

Great win, United very good on counter attack and we looked like scoring every time we crossed the halfway line.

The majority of De Gea's saves were nothing special, his save from Lukaku and the double save at 2-1 show why he's on of the world top keeper if not the best but Arsenal didn't create anything like the clear cut chances some of the media have made out. United need to get Lukaku, Pogba & Martial working harder when United don't have the ball. Pogba far too often lets a player run of the back of him which was the cause of Arsenal's goal yesterday although Rojo didn't cover himself in glory although it does look like he thought Smalling was trying to play offside when he was getting closer to his marker.

Pogba was very unlucky, good to see some of the pundits talk a bit of sense, its far from a clear cut decisions. Bellerin has made a challenge in a very unorthodox position; I just don't see what Pogba is supposed to do, he's flicked the ball and because of where Bellerin is I just don't see what else he can do with is right foot. I can see why the ref has sent him off but I hope United appeal, its not a reckless challenge and doubt it was deliberate.

Arsenal should have had a pen and Koscielny should have seen red, there was no way Bellerin was close enough to stop Lukaku from from getting a shot in on goal.

There's plenty of positives to take from the way United have played the last 2 games but I'm sure Jose is going to demand more from certain players when we're not in possession. United are still a work iin progress.

I really hope so too, because there's no chance of beating City if Pogba isn't playing.

[imtommygunn]

I dont know.  I've watched that incident a number of times now.   I think it was a deliberate moment of madness.  I accept that it could be interpreted differently, but that's how it looked to me.  Only pogba will know for sure.

Yeah i thought it looked very deliberate. Even the commentators were saying they thought it could have been retribution for bellerin (it was bellerin wasn't it?) cleaning young out. Couldn't see it being overturned.

[David McKeown]

I dont know.  I've watched that incident a number of times now.   I think it was a deliberate moment of madness.  I accept that it could be interpreted differently, but that's how it looked to me.  Only pogba will know for sure.

Yeah i thought it looked very deliberate. Even the commentators were saying they thought it could have been retribution for bellerin (it was bellerin wasn't it?) cleaning young out. Couldn't see it being overturned.

May well have been deliberate but I think that little flicking movement towards the ball showed it wasn't. I think if he had been after retribution he would have made a far more forceful and deliberate movement towards Bellerin. His foot never deviated in direction from the line of the ball. That said it's one of those ones that's hard to call and only Pogba will know for sure. I think though the result made it look far worse than it was.

[nrico2006]

Great win, United very good on counter attack and we looked like scoring every time we crossed the halfway line.

The majority of De Gea's saves were nothing special, his save from Lukaku and the double save at 2-1 show why he's on of the world top keeper if not the best but Arsenal didn't create anything like the clear cut chances some of the media have made out. United need to get Lukaku, Pogba & Martial working harder when United don't have the ball. Pogba far too often lets a player run of the back of him which was the cause of Arsenal's goal yesterday although Rojo didn't cover himself in glory although it does look like he thought Smalling was trying to play offside when he was getting closer to his marker.

Pogba was very unlucky, good to see some of the pundits talk a bit of sense, its far from a clear cut decisions. Bellerin has made a challenge in a very unorthodox position; I just don't see what Pogba is supposed to do, he's flicked the ball and because of where Bellerin is I just don't see what else he can do with is right foot. I can see why the ref has sent him off but I hope United appeal, its not a reckless challenge and doubt it was deliberate.

Arsenal should have had a pen and Koscielny should have seen red, there was no way Bellerin was close enough to stop Lukaku from from getting a shot in on goal.

There's plenty of positives to take from the way United have played the last 2 games but I'm sure Jose is going to demand more from certain players when we're not in possession. United are still a work iin progress.

Agreed on Pogba. Bellerins leg was in a funny place, Pogba didnt have much time to change what he was in the middleof doing

[Jeepers Creepers]

If utd appeal his red, he will get longer.Stupid challenge. Absolutly no need. Never took his eye of bellerin. Hopefully udt wont suffer to much from his suspension but going by his previous lay off...

[Boycey]

He never looks at Bellerin at all only has eyes for the ball.

Why would he get longer?

United will probably appeal but I'd not expect it to succeed. I think it's only a one game suspension unless they consider it violent conduct.

[Captain Obvious]

He never looks at Bellerin at all only has eyes for the ball.

Why would he get longer?

United will probably appeal but I’d not expect it to succeed. I think it’s only a one game suspension unless they consider it violent conduct.

The FA usually add an extra game on for a frivolous appeal. It will more than likely be 3 match ban and considered as violent conduct.

Lucky for Manchester City they will face their neighbours without one of their best players.

[StGallsGAA]

any appeal chance disappeared when he started clapping the decision.  forget it.

[Boycey]

He never looks at Bellerin at all only has eyes for the ball.

Why would he get longer?

United will probably appeal but I'd not expect it to succeed. I think it's only a one game suspension unless they consider it violent conduct.

The FA usually add an extra game on for a frivolous appeal. It will more than likely be 3 match ban and considered as violent conduct.

Lucky for Manchester City they will face their neighbours without one of their best players.

That rule was done away with years ago.

Didn't see the post match show on BT last night so didn't hear what they made of it but unusually for me I caught a bit of MOTD and 2 of the 3 on it reckoned it was momentum that caused it and if I picked it up right Wright didn't even think it was a red card. I think Lineker even tweeted similar during the match. The couple of papers I saw today weren't sure either and Twitter was a mixed bag with some wanted him hung, drawn and quartered and others reckon he should get off.

Wasn't sure so I checked there, Mane got 3 games so I'd expect Pogba to get 3 also then 

[screenexile]

The Lukaku incident was not a red. The player has to be running towards the goal and Lukaku was heading towards the corner therefore no red card.

Didn't stop the United fans in the bar shouting at Graham Poll in the TV and telling him he was a cheating bastard and wrong... A lovely bunch Utd fans!

[TabClear]

He never looks at Bellerin at all only has eyes for the ball.

Why would he get longer?

United will probably appeal but I'd not expect it to succeed. I think it's only a one game suspension unless they consider it violent conduct.

The FA usually add an extra game on for a frivolous appeal. It will more than likely be 3 match ban and considered as violent conduct.

Lucky for Manchester City they will face their neighbours without one of their best players.

That rule was done away with years ago.

Didn't see the post match show on BT last night so didn't hear what they made of it but unusually for me I caught a bit of MOTD and 2 of the 3 on it reckoned it was momentum that caused it and if I picked it up right Wright didn't even think it was a red card. I think Lineker even tweeted similar during the match. The couple of papers I saw today weren't sure either and Twitter was a mixed bag with some wanted him hung, drawn and quartered and others reckon he should get off.

Wasn't sure so I checked there, Mane got 3 games so I'd expect Pogba to get 3 also then 

Think thats the key precedent there. The Mane ban effectively takes intent out of the equation so hard to see how it could be overturned. FWIW I dont think it was a deliberate stamp but he definitely did not help himself with the clapping.