Man Utd Thread:

[ONeill]

Rooney left out of the squad for tomorrow night. Any idea why?

Salford Senior Citizens' Dinner and Ball.

[gallsman]

Maroon Manc, if you keep posting nonsense like that, Seanie won't be able to give you the sensible poster of the week award.

[deiseach]

Maroon Manc, if you keep posting nonsense like that, Seanie won't be able to give you the sensible poster of the week award.

That's only given to Liverpool fans. They want to give us a chance to win something amiriteoramirite?

[Maroon Manc]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

Is your definition of success going to other teams and playing well???

Or in the case of Januzaj & Pereira not even getting regular first team football for Utd??

They were great buys at 15/16 and United's scouting network had done a good job in initially scouting them and and then bringing them to the club, my point is that the scouts/academy had done their job very well. What happened beyond that point was not their fault.

[Minder]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

An alternative viewpoint

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/24/manchester-city-united-youth-policy

[laoislad]

Maroon Manc, if you keep posting nonsense like that, Seanie won't be able to give you the sensible poster of the week award.

That's only given to Liverpool fans. They want to give us a chance to win something amiriteoramirite?

They have an in house award also.
I'm a bit upset not to have won the non United fan pat on the back award yet.

[deiseach]

I'm a bit upset not to have won the non United fan pat on the back award yet.

That's disgraceful, and you trying so hard and all. Don't worry, next year will be your year.

[brokencrossbar1]

I'm a bit upset not to have won the non United fan pat on the back award yet.

That's disgraceful, and you trying so hard and all. Don't worry, next year will be your year.

There's alwaaaaays next year is right!

[Maroon Manc]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

An alternative viewpoint

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/24/manchester-city-united-youth-policy

We'll have to wait and see but the academy is about producing first team players or selling those who are not good and making a few quid. As it stands United have 5/6 lads aged 16-18 who have a good chance of making it at United which is well above your average United youth team. A number of these players have played for the U21's who are top of the league and 2 of them have stood out in recent months

Chelsea I think have won 4 of the last 5 youth cups, how many players have they produced for the first team from that lot?

United have a few issues but its difficult to keep pace with what City are spending at that level, think United spend somewhere between £2-3m to run it each year whereas Barca spend £13m on their academy. For that sort of money you've got to produce a top player every year to make it work . Think City spend about £6-7m.

Its not all rosy and United will have identified where their going wrong but its nowhere near as bad as been made out.  The best youth prospect Manchester has seen in a long time is at United.

[Norf Tyrone]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

An alternative viewpoint

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/24/manchester-city-united-youth-policy

We'll have to wait and see but the academy is about producing first team players or selling those who are not good and making a few quid. As it stands United have 5/6 lads aged 16-18 who have a good chance of making it at United which is well above your average United youth team. A number of these players have played for the U21's who are top of the league and 2 of them have stood out in recent months

Chelsea I think have won 4 of the last 5 youth cups, how many players have they produced for the first team from that lot?

United have a few issues but its difficult to keep pace with what City are spending at that level, think United spend somewhere between £2-3m to run it each year whereas Barca spend £13m on their academy. For that sort of money you've got to produce a top player every year to make it work . Think City spend about £6-7m.

Its not all rosy and United will have identified where their going wrong but its nowhere near as bad as been made out.  The best youth prospect Manchester has seen in a long time is at United.

Well if your metric is selling players on they've done quite well.

Bruma (£2.5 million)
Bertrand (£10 million)
MacEacheran (£1 million)
Saville (£1 million)

To name but a few.

A lot of others are accruing value too Christensen, Solanke, Musonda etc etc and at long lost a few are getting a sniff of the first time (Loftus Cheek, Traore etc).

[brokencrossbar1]

I recall reading an article about the Chelsea and City underage structures and how they were a means to 'get around' some of the FFP rules by buying loads of young talent and then selling it on before they break into the first team squad.  Completely within the rules of course but they were not perceived as Academies that would be a good way to make the first team.  In fact City are facing a bit of bother in keeping players, 

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-city/story/2808064/manchester-city-face-battle-to-keep-youngsters-sources

That is the one thing that the likes of Liverpool and Spurs have done,  promote from within, and then see how they develop.  The thing is that LFC can start picking up talent now as the players know that they will likely get an opportunity,  and that has been the case under successive managers and is a credit to Rafa who established the current academy system.

[Maroon Manc]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

An alternative viewpoint

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/24/manchester-city-united-youth-policy

We'll have to wait and see but the academy is about producing first team players or selling those who are not good and making a few quid. As it stands United have 5/6 lads aged 16-18 who have a good chance of making it at United which is well above your average United youth team. A number of these players have played for the U21's who are top of the league and 2 of them have stood out in recent months

Chelsea I think have won 4 of the last 5 youth cups, how many players have they produced for the first team from that lot?

United have a few issues but its difficult to keep pace with what City are spending at that level, think United spend somewhere between £2-3m to run it each year whereas Barca spend £13m on their academy. For that sort of money you've got to produce a top player every year to make it work . Think City spend about £6-7m.

Its not all rosy and United will have identified where their going wrong but its nowhere near as bad as been made out.  The best youth prospect Manchester has seen in a long time is at United.

Well if your metric is selling players on they've done quite well.

Bruma (£2.5 million)
Bertrand (£10 million)
MacEacheran (£1 million)
Saville (£1 million)

To name but a few.

A lot of others are accruing value too Christensen, Solanke, Musonda etc etc and at long lost a few are getting a sniff of the first time (Loftus Cheek, Traore etc).

Chelsea need that given the investment they've made at that level but not to produce one player for the first team given all their youth success is odd and I'm surprised its not been questioned by the media more. Chelsea's youth team will probably win the youth cup again this season, surely can only be a matter of time before they produce a few top players.  I know some will blame Mourinho but these players haven't gone on elsewhere to prove him wrong.

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[Boycey]

I recall reading an article about the Chelsea and City underage structures and how they were a means to 'get around' some of the FFP rules by buying loads of young talent and then selling it on before they break into the first team squad.  Completely within the rules of course but they were not perceived as Academies that would be a good way to make the first team.  In fact City are facing a bit of bother in keeping players, 

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-city/story/2808064/manchester-city-face-battle-to-keep-youngsters-sources

That is the one thing that the likes of Liverpool and Spurs have done,  promote from within, and then see how they develop.  The thing is that LFC can start picking up talent now as the players know that they will likely get an opportunity,  and that has been the case under successive managers and is a credit to Rafa who established the current academy system.

United have always being willing to promote from within too, of the 18 travelling to Denmark today 8 have come through the club ranks.. Having said that I'd be surprised if any of them ever gets to 100 appearances for the club (50 even maybe). There seems to be a real dearth of young talent in England at the minute, even the young players that Maroon Manc is talking about as big prospects aren't English but rather have arrived at the club at 16 from foreign clubs...

[brokencrossbar1]

I recall reading an article about the Chelsea and City underage structures and how they were a means to 'get around' some of the FFP rules by buying loads of young talent and then selling it on before they break into the first team squad.  Completely within the rules of course but they were not perceived as Academies that would be a good way to make the first team.  In fact City are facing a bit of bother in keeping players, 

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-city/story/2808064/manchester-city-face-battle-to-keep-youngsters-sources

That is the one thing that the likes of Liverpool and Spurs have done,  promote from within, and then see how they develop.  The thing is that LFC can start picking up talent now as the players know that they will likely get an opportunity,  and that has been the case under successive managers and is a credit to Rafa who established the current academy system.

United have always being willing to promote from within too, of the 18 travelling to Denmark today 8 have come through the club ranks.. Having said that I'd be surprised if any of them ever gets to 100 appearances for the club (50 even maybe). There seems to be a real dearth of young talent in England at the minute, even the young players that Maroon Manc is talking about as big prospects aren't English but rather have arrived at the club at 16 from foreign clubs...

i would agree with you that United do promote from within also.  There really is a lack of local depth in clubs these days. 

[blewuporstuffed]

I recall reading an article about the Chelsea and City underage structures and how they were a means to 'get around' some of the FFP rules by buying loads of young talent and then selling it on before they break into the first team squad.  Completely within the rules of course but they were not perceived as Academies that would be a good way to make the first team.  In fact City are facing a bit of bother in keeping players, 

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-city/story/2808064/manchester-city-face-battle-to-keep-youngsters-sources

That is the one thing that the likes of Liverpool and Spurs have done,  promote from within, and then see how they develop.  The thing is that LFC can start picking up talent now as the players know that they will likely get an opportunity,  and that has been the case under successive managers and is a credit to Rafa who established the current academy system.

United have always being willing to promote from within too, of the 18 travelling to Denmark today 8 have come through the club ranks.. Having said that I'd be surprised if any of them ever gets to 100 appearances for the club (50 even maybe). There seems to be a real dearth of young talent in England at the minute, even the young players that Maroon Manc is talking about as big prospects aren't English but rather have arrived at the club at 16 from foreign clubs...

i would agree with you that United do promote from within also.  There really is a lack of local depth in clubs these days.

Its interesting how Spurs have been (relatively)  successfully at the minute, with Pochetino willing to give young English lads a chance (Kane, Mason, Dier,Alli, Rose etc)