Man Utd Thread:

[Walter Cronc]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

Pffffttttt

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Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

Is your definition of success going to other teams and playing well???

Or in the case of Januzaj & Pereira not even getting regular first team football for Utd??

[magpie seanie]

Rooney left out of the squad for tomorrow night. Any idea why?

[Boycey]

I thought I made it fairly clear in my initial post that it's hard to see Pochettino leaving Spurs for United if they win the league?

Regardless - if LVG goes this hiring and firing of managers has to stop. You can't build success that way. It's another reason why Jose must be avoided. He might win/cheat his was to a few trophies but when he leaves in 3 years there will be a mess left behind. Be careful what you wish for, the quick fix rarely works.

Yeah would totally agree with you. Mourinho doesent last anywhere more than three seasons, and what will he leave in his wake? Probably an ageing squad and a dysfunctional setup . I wouldn't have him about the place.

Nor would I.

Its certainly been overplayed that Mourinho leaves a team in a mess, where has this happened?

Perhaps at Inter he left an ageing squad but he he was only there 2 years, he spent about £30m in his time at Inter taking into account players leaving and won the European Cup in his 2nd and last season. Chelsea reached the European Cup final the season after he left as did Real Madrid.

This time round at Chelsea he couldn't buy the players he wanted last summer and even over the 3 summers he was there he's only spent about £60m when you take into account the players who have left. Its a fraction of what he was allowed to spend first time round and Chelsea don't have the financial fire power they used to have. He did make a few mistakes in Lukaku and De Bruyne but at the time they weren't good enough to be 1st choice and both players have admitted they were desperate to leave the club.

My main issue with him is his failure to give younger players a chance, his style of football will be similar to what Fergie played from about 2008 onwards. The last season where we were really great to watch was 2007-08.

Its more the environment he leaves behind him than the actual players? Real and Chelsea players were both in open revolt against him by the time he left

But there is one big thing that both Chelsea and Madrid have in common - both clubs are a shambles in how they are run, with so many people (outside the one that counts) interfering in first team affairs.  He won't have that problem at United.

Just in case you haven't noticed United are a shambles :-)

How?  Manager is given full control and nobody sticks their nose in from board level.  The fact that they are doing poorly on the pitch is the result of the manager not achieving the objectives set for him. 

Maroon Manc, I am of the same opinion.  Pochettino and Mourinho are the only two real candidates and Simeone would have language issues.

The football decisions at United are currently being made by an investment banker and two of the Glazers and you can't see its a shambles?

What football decisions do you believe these individuals are making?

the decision about who does or doesn't manage the club for a start...

[ONeill]

Rooney left out of the squad for tomorrow night. Any idea why?

Salford Senior Citizens' Dinner and Ball.

[gallsman]

Maroon Manc, if you keep posting nonsense like that, Seanie won't be able to give you the sensible poster of the week award.

[deiseach]

Maroon Manc, if you keep posting nonsense like that, Seanie won't be able to give you the sensible poster of the week award.

That's only given to Liverpool fans. They want to give us a chance to win something amiriteoramirite?

[Maroon Manc]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

Is your definition of success going to other teams and playing well???

Or in the case of Januzaj & Pereira not even getting regular first team football for Utd??

They were great buys at 15/16 and United's scouting network had done a good job in initially scouting them and and then bringing them to the club, my point is that the scouts/academy had done their job very well. What happened beyond that point was not their fault.

[Minder]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

An alternative viewpoint

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/24/manchester-city-united-youth-policy

[laoislad]

Maroon Manc, if you keep posting nonsense like that, Seanie won't be able to give you the sensible poster of the week award.

That's only given to Liverpool fans. They want to give us a chance to win something amiriteoramirite?

They have an in house award also.
I'm a bit upset not to have won the non United fan pat on the back award yet.

[deiseach]

I'm a bit upset not to have won the non United fan pat on the back award yet.

That's disgraceful, and you trying so hard and all. Don't worry, next year will be your year.

[brokencrossbar1]

I'm a bit upset not to have won the non United fan pat on the back award yet.

That's disgraceful, and you trying so hard and all. Don't worry, next year will be your year.

There's alwaaaaays next year is right!

[Maroon Manc]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

An alternative viewpoint

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/24/manchester-city-united-youth-policy

We'll have to wait and see but the academy is about producing first team players or selling those who are not good and making a few quid. As it stands United have 5/6 lads aged 16-18 who have a good chance of making it at United which is well above your average United youth team. A number of these players have played for the U21's who are top of the league and 2 of them have stood out in recent months

Chelsea I think have won 4 of the last 5 youth cups, how many players have they produced for the first team from that lot?

United have a few issues but its difficult to keep pace with what City are spending at that level, think United spend somewhere between £2-3m to run it each year whereas Barca spend £13m on their academy. For that sort of money you've got to produce a top player every year to make it work . Think City spend about £6-7m.

Its not all rosy and United will have identified where their going wrong but its nowhere near as bad as been made out.  The best youth prospect Manchester has seen in a long time is at United.

[Norf Tyrone]

Nicky Butt takes the academy role after turning it turn months ago, a lot of nonsense written about United in crisis below the first team. The u21 team is top of the league featuring several of the youth team hence why the u18's have lost so many games, their best players have played for the u21's for the last 3 months. Its going to be very difficult for United to match City who offer free education at one of Manchester better Schools but the majority of these kids are based around the Manchester area and very few if any will make it into City's first team. The best young talent Manchester's had in a while is at United despite City's efforts.

United have had great success bringing in 15/16 year olds from overseas with players like Pique, Pogba, Rossi, Januzaj & Pereira.

An alternative viewpoint

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/24/manchester-city-united-youth-policy

We'll have to wait and see but the academy is about producing first team players or selling those who are not good and making a few quid. As it stands United have 5/6 lads aged 16-18 who have a good chance of making it at United which is well above your average United youth team. A number of these players have played for the U21's who are top of the league and 2 of them have stood out in recent months

Chelsea I think have won 4 of the last 5 youth cups, how many players have they produced for the first team from that lot?

United have a few issues but its difficult to keep pace with what City are spending at that level, think United spend somewhere between £2-3m to run it each year whereas Barca spend £13m on their academy. For that sort of money you've got to produce a top player every year to make it work . Think City spend about £6-7m.

Its not all rosy and United will have identified where their going wrong but its nowhere near as bad as been made out.  The best youth prospect Manchester has seen in a long time is at United.

Well if your metric is selling players on they've done quite well.

Bruma (£2.5 million)
Bertrand (£10 million)
MacEacheran (£1 million)
Saville (£1 million)

To name but a few.

A lot of others are accruing value too Christensen, Solanke, Musonda etc etc and at long lost a few are getting a sniff of the first time (Loftus Cheek, Traore etc).

[brokencrossbar1]

I recall reading an article about the Chelsea and City underage structures and how they were a means to 'get around' some of the FFP rules by buying loads of young talent and then selling it on before they break into the first team squad.  Completely within the rules of course but they were not perceived as Academies that would be a good way to make the first team.  In fact City are facing a bit of bother in keeping players, 

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-city/story/2808064/manchester-city-face-battle-to-keep-youngsters-sources

That is the one thing that the likes of Liverpool and Spurs have done,  promote from within, and then see how they develop.  The thing is that LFC can start picking up talent now as the players know that they will likely get an opportunity,  and that has been the case under successive managers and is a credit to Rafa who established the current academy system.