Ulster Senior Football Club Championship 2012

[mackers]

Right that;s fine, Armagh club football is crap then

Good man......at least that addresses the discussion that I was trying to have
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[Armaghtothebone]

So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.

Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?

Carrickcruppen were beaten by 3 points.  Ogs gave them a good match up until the last 5 minutes or so in the final.

I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster.  The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.

I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.

wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.

That's unfair on the Ogs. The one opportunity they got was in 09 and were narrowly beaten by St Galls who went on to lift the AI. Ronan Clarke was through on goal in the dying seconds and missed the chance to beat them. Hardly lambs to the slaughter.

Just a few quotes from previous Armagh posts. Take from it what you want but my general take on these posts (and others)  is that the other teams in Armagh are better than the other Ulster teams due to the fact that they were only beat by a few than Cross's last few wins in Ulster

You're adding two and two together and getting fifteen!!! There are no posts saying what you think they say.....that's your problem.....not the posters.

Right that;s fine, Armagh club football is crap then

It is...isn't it remarkable that we won half of the Anglo celts available over the last 15 years, one AI one national league given the "crapness" of our league.
Oh our crappy league has also produced 3 different ulster club winning teams.

[Walter Cronc]

Who's the 3??

[stew]

Who's the 3??

I am guessing the intermediate and junior squads are included here, still counts however.

[Armamike]

Clan Na Gael, Mullaghbawn and Cross. Do i get a prize?

[theticklemister]

Dont worry walter, once yer young boys turn men your team will be the new crossmaglen!!

[Throw ball]

Clan Na Gael, Mullaghbawn and Cross. Do i get a prize?

And all senior grade. Clans in the 70s. Mullaghbawn in the year prior to Cross starting their run. Pearse Ogs also lost a final in the middle 80s to Burren after Gerard Houlihan broke his ankle playing a National League game a couple of weeks before final.

[Orchardman]

This is stupid stuff lads, your embarrassing yourselves with talk of how Armagh football is not shite!! Cross get better as the competition improves, I'd say like ourselves they don't really put the hard work in (because they have had a long campaign) until championship starts in Armagh, talk of them training hard before a championship match (truth or not) makes the Armagh Championship sound like a cake walk.

To me Cross develop a lot better come the Ulster Championship, I've yet to be proved different, as for the Og's and Clarke fluffing his lines against us, " thems the breaks".

So stop with the second best team in Ulster is from Armagh

as the other lads have said, no one has mentioned being the second best team in armagh or ireland, what a rubnish title to have. Anttim teams like the johnies as u said might have talked nonsense after beating you in galls in antrim, but we all know we cant compare galls limited success to what cross have achieved, so we are looking at a much bigger picture here.

The point is the armagh championship stars in august, so after having their early summer break they would certainly be flying training wise come the armagh semi final in mid september. Of course they would be overly confident of winning and would no doubt like to think they will be playing in december, as they usually are. Fact is they were on the tougher side of the draw in ulster and no one gave them a real game. I don't really think that Ogs or dromintee would have won Ulster down the years, they might have, but armagh football is not crap, where as antrim football sounds crap.

[Walter Cronc]

Clan Na Gael, Mullaghbawn and Cross. Do i get a prize?

I was being a smart ass. So he's claiming the Armagh league is strong based on the Clans being a force in the 70s?? Oh right!!

[kounty]

crossmaglen are a truly remarkable team id say they  would beat any county team

[Milltown Row2]

This is stupid stuff lads, your embarrassing yourselves with talk of how Armagh football is not shite!! Cross get better as the competition improves, I'd say like ourselves they don't really put the hard work in (because they have had a long campaign) until championship starts in Armagh, talk of them training hard before a championship match (truth or not) makes the Armagh Championship sound like a cake walk.

To me Cross develop a lot better come the Ulster Championship, I've yet to be proved different, as for the Og's and Clarke fluffing his lines against us, " thems the breaks".

So stop with the second best team in Ulster is from Armagh

as the other lads have said, no one has mentioned being the second best team in armagh or ireland, what a rubnish title to have. Anttim teams like the johnies as u said might have talked nonsense after beating you in galls in antrim, but we all know we cant compare galls limited success to what cross have achieved, so we are looking at a much bigger picture here.

The point is the armagh championship stars in august, so after having their early summer break they would certainly be flying training wise come the armagh semi final in mid september. Of course they would be overly confident of winning and would no doubt like to think they will be playing in december, as they usually are. Fact is they were on the tougher side of the draw in ulster and no one gave them a real game. I don't really think that Ogs or dromintee would have won Ulster down the years, they might have, but armagh football is not crap, where as antrim football sounds crap.

Antrim football is crap, I've said it many many times, it's very surprising that with the standard that has been in Antrim that we have won 3 ulster titles 1 All Ireland and lost a couple of ulster finals and lost an All Ireland final too.

[fitzroyalty]

So what is the argument for Armagh football being so crap then? Because Cross are so dominant? Yet them being dominant at provincial level this past decade somehow doesn't render the rest of Ulster crap? 

[oakleafgael]

So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.

Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?

Carrickcruppen were beaten by 3 points.  Ogs gave them a good match up until the last 5 minutes or so in the final.

I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster.  The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.

I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.

wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.

That's unfair on the Ogs. The one opportunity they got was in 09 and were narrowly beaten by St Galls who went on to lift the AI. Ronan Clarke was through on goal in the dying seconds and missed the chance to beat them. Hardly lambs to the slaughter.

Just a few quotes from previous Armagh posts. Take from it what you want but my general take on these posts (and others)  is that the other teams in Armagh are better than the other Ulster teams due to the fact that they were only beat by a few than Cross's last few wins in Ulster

You're adding two and two together and getting fifteen!!! There are no posts saying what you think they say.....that's your problem.....not the posters.

Right that;s fine, Armagh club football is crap then

It is...isn't it remarkable that we won half of the Anglo celts available over the last 15 years, one AI one national league given the "crapness" of our league.
Oh our crappy league has also produced 3 different ulster club winning teams.

The 3 different club winning teams proves nowt, Derry have produced Ballerin, Ballinderry, Bellaghy, Dungiven, Lavey and Loup to all win Ulster Championships and the standard of the Derry Championship is rubbish.

The Armagh Championship isn't competitive. It used to be Dromintee who put it up to Cross in the final every year before bottling it. They appear to have passed that honour to Pearse Og.

[Milltown Row2]

I am not sure about that, milltown. Getting a near bye to the Ulsters is certainly a help. Look at the Tyrone championship. One of the most competitive. They never cut the mustard in Ulster. Sure, as you say yourself, you don't start training til after the Antrim final.

I was being slightly mischievous with certain posters. Ulster club football as a whole is at a serious standard, past All Ireland winners include Cross, Naomh Gall, Ballinderry, Bellaghy, Lavey and Burren of old. My point is that the serious training and form happens usually after the county final. The teams mentioned above have had sustained runs in their county championships at times which gives them the experience in Ulster and usually the big push onwards. Some teams have bucked the trend but it is usually the consistant county winners that have an impact.

So teams that run their county winners close in their own county wouldn't necessary be able to get that close come the business end of the Ulster competition.

[emmetryan]

Apologies for the delay on this one, my tactical analysis piece on Crossmaglen's win over Kilcoo is now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=6492