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Can't be arsed engaging anymore, you are both entitled to your opinion, pretty obvious we disagree and I am not going get anywhere, I didn't join the board to talk rugby but I will defend the sport, in fact I would pretty much defend all sports. Anyway that's fine, not going fall out over it, just moving on, is that ok?

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Sound. Up Tipp!

You've finally lost me, Tipp?

Can't be arsed engaging anymore, you are both entitled to your opinion, pretty obvious we disagree and I am not going get anywhere, I didn't join the board to talk rugby but I will defend the sport, in fact I would pretty much defend all sports. Anyway that's fine, not going fall out over it, just moving on, is that ok?

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I wonder does any sport have as much self loathing as the GAA, when see guys who bother to comment thousands of times on GAA mattesr run off in a huff because some one criticized rugby , I just wonder

Who ran off? I engaged made my point, it's now a circular argument, I'm not here to preach about rugby. When you see idiots bring in religion and sexual preference then there really is no point engaging any further.

You are the idiot that brought priests into it. Regarding sexual preference, you are referring to a joke I made about the Scrum being like a scene out of a gay porn movie, thats weak. Surely you can slag me off with something better than that??

Anyway, I complimented rugby on a few things just because I wont agree it is a highly skilled game Dinny threw his toys away. Sure any gobshite can see it is low down in the skill level steaks

[is never be dismissive of other sports other ideas especially in front of children. Kids are generally repelled by that kind of negativity, if they are playing others sports it's because they enjoy them, they don't need their choices questioned]

I will indulge

Top of my head passing skills

left, right, pop, spin, cat-flap, flat, short, long, disguised, "off the ground pop", "off the ground pass" "during the tackle",  "at full pace", under, over, switch, screen, wrap "off load one hand" "off load two hands", "rip and pop"

I'm sure I could add more if was engaged but I'm not so final thing now add a defined tackle where you have a heap of decisions to process and try do those skills listed above under that kind of pressure. No doubt you think the best athletes in the world (NBA) are just throw, catch and pass merchants too. There's a reason why GAA coaches rob ideas from Rugby and Basketball. My last piece of advice, unwanted no doubt, is never be dismissive of other sports other ideas especially in front of children. Kids are generally repelled by that kind of negativity, if they are playing others sports it's because they enjoy them, they don't need their choices questioned.

Really all those are different ball skills?? Throw, throw and throw.

As for your last line of condescending advice it is unwanted as I never do that. I explained why kids were leaving my club in my original post which you ignored. I also said that i understood why rugby etc were successful in recruiting kids and how the GAA need to learn from it and you ignored that too. You prefer to think my club is full of ignorant dinosaurs that drive kids away. I still stand by my points that Rugby is a competitor. You respect them, learn from them but don't be a fool and consider them anything but a competitor.

Oh yes the Big Bad Rugby Club are winning and the lads are having, god forbid. fun. You sound like a priest from the 50s where sport is not about fun but losing, that's your life lesson now suck it up. I say you're some craic as a coach.

You see rugby as unskilled game and one you certainly don't respect, you already posted some other derogatory homophobic comments on the game, why would anyone see your club as full of dinosaurs? Now I am finally out of this conversation, give me a shout when you move into the Paleocene era.

Not sure what a priest from the 50s was like (I assume they were all the same). Yes, I am good craic as a coach, no doubt about it.

I do see rugby as a largely unskilled game yes. That wasn't the point of my post but I wont disagree with you there. Very few balls skills in comparison to Football, Hurling, Basketball etc. That makes it a lot easier for kids to pick up.

Its a game also full of dangerous head injuries and a game full of drug abuse. Its a game of muscle over brain. However it is good at some things and as an organisation the GAA should learn from what they are good at. Like self promotion for example, they are very good at getting people to watch their games who have no background in the game. Convicning people that some "test" match against Australia is important for example. Also good at no tolerance of abusing referrees.

Anyway, long may Kildare collaborate with rugby teams and produce teams that do very poorly for their sizable population of 220k.

[is never be dismissive of other sports other ideas especially in front of children. Kids are generally repelled by that kind of negativity, if they are playing others sports it's because they enjoy them, they don't need their choices questioned]

I will indulge

Top of my head passing skills

left, right, pop, spin, cat-flap, flat, short, long, disguised, "off the ground pop", "off the ground pass" "during the tackle",  "at full pace", under, over, switch, screen, wrap "off load one hand" "off load two hands", "rip and pop"

I'm sure I could add more if was engaged but I'm not so final thing now add a defined tackle where you have a heap of decisions to process and try do those skills listed above under that kind of pressure. No doubt you think the best athletes in the world (NBA) are just throw, catch and pass merchants too. There's a reason why GAA coaches rob ideas from Rugby and Basketball. My last piece of advice, unwanted no doubt, is never be dismissive of other sports other ideas especially in front of children. Kids are generally repelled by that kind of negativity, if they are playing others sports it's because they enjoy them, they don't need their choices questioned.

Really all those are different ball skills?? Throw, throw and throw.

As for your last line of condescending advice it is unwanted as I never do that. I explained why kids were leaving my club in my original post which you ignored. I also said that i understood why rugby etc were successful in recruiting kids and how the GAA need to learn from it and you ignored that too. You prefer to think my club is full of ignorant dinosaurs that drive kids away. I still stand by my points that Rugby is a competitor. You respect them, learn from them but don't be a fool and consider them anything but a competitor.

Biased or deluded if you think the only skills in underage rugby is catch and pass. You have your opinion that's fine, but in this short exchange I have a fair idea why your club is losing players to rugby.

I never said catch. I also said ball skills. But sure enlighten me to the array of complex rugby ball skills. Maybe if kildare stopped cozying up to rugby you might produce something other than big athletes with no football in them.

In rugby you need to be able to throw the ball and catch it

You literally said catch it.

Anyway on that pedantic point. I'm out.

You are right so I made a mistake and shouldnt have said catch as it is the same in GAA so no differences. So that leaves the ball skill of throwing. I await a list of the other ball skills of rugby I have missed due to my ignorance.

On what planet should a team at Armagh's level be overlooking Sligo at Marky Park? It's definitey not this one.

Presumably one where Sligo's home pitch is not referred to as "Marky Park"

You're not from Connacht are you, ladeen?

Hydeho park looked well on Sunday. That's what everyone in connachy calls it

Biased or deluded if you think the only skills in underage rugby is catch and pass. You have your opinion that's fine, but in this short exchange I have a fair idea why your club is losing players to rugby.

I never said catch. I also said ball skills. But sure enlighten me to the array of complex rugby ball skills. Maybe if kildare stopped cozying up to rugby you might produce something other than big athletes with no football in them.

[and you can taste the hurt]

The ultimate issue here for the rugby set is that despite unprecedented success the game hadn't grown significantly. The relative lack of interest in the Melbourne game when soccer and Gaelic games were in full swing tells it's own tale. They are miles off soccers playing numbers, football's crowds and hurling cultural significance, and you can taste the hurt.

There seems to be an orchestrated campaign from the rugby heads to brand their game as the national/people's game. The harder they try, the sillier they look

I can. And it is bitter. I was actually at the first Irish Australia test *cough friendly cough* out in Brisbane and if this is our sports biggest domestic competitor then the GAA is safe for years to come.

The IRFU really don't see GAA as a competitor, I have said this before, they would look at the GAA and see good things (volunteers, revenues club and national) and bad things, as an example everyone in rugby looks at GAA fixture schedules or lack off and just think they are a complete shambles. The IRFU are driven by the professional game, you were in Brisbane, in a sold-out stadium watching rugby, watching Ireland and you think they are worried about the GAA?  Seriously?

Everybody should be worried about their competitor or frankly they are stupid. Where will their players come from if they lose their young talent to soccer or GAA or whatever. In fairness I think Rugby clubs are very tuned into the idea of competition with GAA and do a lot of clever things at underage to make the experience enjoyable for kids.

Prime insecure GAA mentality. That's not the mentality of the IRFU, talent will follow the professional ranks, it normally does. Most rugby clubs work with local GAA clubs, pretty much different seasons.

No what your saying is in my opinion naive rubbish. I coach in a small club outside a big town. Few of the young lads are playing rugby in winter and a few of them are now talking about quiting GAA - reason is the big rugby club which draws from a huge area is winning things and their GAA club isn't. In fact the GAA club is struggling for numbers. Its nothing to do with professionalism etc.

Now some people think Rugby is a good bed fellow of GAA, well I don't. Rugby produces power in a player for sure but it has a serious negative influence on ball skill by my observations. I have numerous kids on my underage team that play rugby and it takes me months every year to fix their kicking and stop their insatiable desire to charge into the nearest person in front of them. Soccer is a far better companion, teaching peripheral vision, evasion of the tackle and speed of movement of the ball. That's just my opinion.

The threat to rural GAA clubs from "super" rugby clubs in regional towns is very real. As GAA people we must be wary of them as a threat to recruitment but we should also learn from them. Their sport respects referrees. They do not have lunatics on the side line roaring and shouting at kids to anywhere near the same level as the GAA. They have a focus on fun and as the game is pretty much lacking in any high level skill its much easier to play in my opinion. I can see why kids choose it and I can see why the GAA should consider ways to counter the threat.

Soccer is also a threat with kids thinking they are going to be in premier league signing "contracts" at U15 in many counties which force them to quit other games. Of course 99.9% of them will be dumped on their arses by Galway Utd and Sligo Rovers etc when the time comes.

So you see rugby as a competitor to GAA and the bit in bold sums up your knowledge of rugby. I coach both sports, some lads are good at both, some are good at football some are good at rugby. You sound insecure in your club and sport, sometimes it's not the attraction that drives players away from a club.

Yes, I am referring to underage. In terms of ball skills you need to be able to hop, solo, kick pass and hand pass in GAA. In rugby you need to be able to throw the ball and catch it. The ball isnt even round so its bounce introduces an element of luck into it too. Call me biased if you will but in terms of ball skills Gaelic Football is much harder for a kid to grasp than rugby. Hurling another notch up again. So GAA needs to do more to make the game easier to young kids who are probably finding it much easier to cope in rugby than they will in football.

the reason Tugby would not be that worried about the GAA is the natural catchment areas are so very different .  protestants, professional, wannabes and shopkeepers make up the majority of the rugby senior teams team in the west of Ireland with a few corrowed from the winter from the GAA,
I used to play/ train with ballina for a few winter in a vain attempt at staying fit and thin and its a fine club very welcoming and were very early in importing foreign coaches and players who made a huge difference to the club , But there is always a sense of those who belong v tourists  and the bar afterwards was always like the vicarage tea party .
also interesting to note they now employ a fine GAA journalist as a PR agent how many GAA clubs with a paid PRO?

Lad, you are way off the Mark. Maybe 20 years ago but no more. Check out where the U18s on Ballina Town club come from today.

[and you can taste the hurt]

The ultimate issue here for the rugby set is that despite unprecedented success the game hadn't grown significantly. The relative lack of interest in the Melbourne game when soccer and Gaelic games were in full swing tells it's own tale. They are miles off soccers playing numbers, football's crowds and hurling cultural significance, and you can taste the hurt.

There seems to be an orchestrated campaign from the rugby heads to brand their game as the national/people's game. The harder they try, the sillier they look

I can. And it is bitter. I was actually at the first Irish Australia test *cough friendly cough* out in Brisbane and if this is our sports biggest domestic competitor then the GAA is safe for years to come.

The IRFU really don't see GAA as a competitor, I have said this before, they would look at the GAA and see good things (volunteers, revenues club and national) and bad things, as an example everyone in rugby looks at GAA fixture schedules or lack off and just think they are a complete shambles. The IRFU are driven by the professional game, you were in Brisbane, in a sold-out stadium watching rugby, watching Ireland and you think they are worried about the GAA?  Seriously?

Everybody should be worried about their competitor or frankly they are stupid. Where will their players come from if they lose their young talent to soccer or GAA or whatever. In fairness I think Rugby clubs are very tuned into the idea of competition with GAA and do a lot of clever things at underage to make the experience enjoyable for kids.

Prime insecure GAA mentality. That's not the mentality of the IRFU, talent will follow the professional ranks, it normally does. Most rugby clubs work with local GAA clubs, pretty much different seasons.

No what your saying is in my opinion naive rubbish. I coach in a small club outside a big town. Few of the young lads are playing rugby in winter and a few of them are now talking about quiting GAA - reason is the big rugby club which draws from a huge area is winning things and their GAA club isn't. In fact the GAA club is struggling for numbers. Its nothing to do with professionalism etc.

Now some people think Rugby is a good bed fellow of GAA, well I don't. Rugby produces power in a player for sure but it has a serious negative influence on ball skill by my observations. I have numerous kids on my underage team that play rugby and it takes me months every year to fix their kicking and stop their insatiable desire to charge into the nearest person in front of them. Soccer is a far better companion, teaching peripheral vision, evasion of the tackle and speed of movement of the ball. That's just my opinion.

The threat to rural GAA clubs from "super" rugby clubs in regional towns is very real. As GAA people we must be wary of them as a threat to recruitment but we should also learn from them. Their sport respects referrees. They do not have lunatics on the side line roaring and shouting at kids to anywhere near the same level as the GAA. They have a focus on fun and as the game is pretty much lacking in any high level skill its much easier to play in my opinion. I can see why kids choose it and I can see why the GAA should consider ways to counter the threat.

Soccer is also a threat with kids thinking they are going to be in premier league signing "contracts" at U15 in many counties which force them to quit other games. Of course 99.9% of them will be dumped on their arses by Galway Utd and Sligo Rovers etc when the time comes.

[and you can taste the hurt]

The ultimate issue here for the rugby set is that despite unprecedented success the game hadn't grown significantly. The relative lack of interest in the Melbourne game when soccer and Gaelic games were in full swing tells it's own tale. They are miles off soccers playing numbers, football's crowds and hurling cultural significance, and you can taste the hurt.

There seems to be an orchestrated campaign from the rugby heads to brand their game as the national/people's game. The harder they try, the sillier they look

I can. And it is bitter. I was actually at the first Irish Australia test *cough friendly cough* out in Brisbane and if this is our sports biggest domestic competitor then the GAA is safe for years to come.

The IRFU really don't see GAA as a competitor, I have said this before, they would look at the GAA and see good things (volunteers, revenues club and national) and bad things, as an example everyone in rugby looks at GAA fixture schedules or lack off and just think they are a complete shambles. The IRFU are driven by the professional game, you were in Brisbane, in a sold-out stadium watching rugby, watching Ireland and you think they are worried about the GAA?  Seriously?

Everybody should be worried about their competitor or frankly they are stupid. Where will their players come from if they lose their young talent to soccer or GAA or whatever. In fairness I think Rugby clubs are very tuned into the idea of competition with GAA and do a lot of clever things at underage to make the experience enjoyable for kids.

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Exactly and if anyone needs help just pm me

[I'd even be surprised if Tubber was up to a league game.]

Ithcy what are Sligo going to do next year then when Markivich is being done? Like you say Tubber and Enniscrone can't hold a championship game, I'd even be surprised if Tubber was up to a league game.

Also regarding that list from Laoisman, it's brilliant. While from week to week you will see anomalies at the end of the summer it's usually spot on. London being so much lower than NY is probably as a result of losing a load of points from a bad league, something NY can't do so that's not the author of the things fault. Honestly, he'd be as well leaving NY off it altogether apart from using them to judge for the 1 game a year they play.

For all the crowd that ever turn up to our league games it would be able for it, Tourlestrane and Enniscrone too. If they ever went about doing up Ballymote properly it'd be able but the non-vesting issue would probably put paid to that anyway.

Aye they'd be well able for the crowds, I just wonder is there minimal standards of facilities for intercounty games, like a certain amount of seats, disabled access, toilets, parking etc.

If they were able to spread the home league games out around the clubs I think it could be great for a year and might see a boost in the numbers.

Yes the whole thing is the facility to evacuate the ground in a certain time for insurance reasons. It requires money being spent that many counties don't have.

Who came up with the idea of a scrum in Rugby. A bunch of big strong men, sticking their heads between each others arses and grabing each others crotches. Its like something out of a gay porn movie. I rest my case.

Is it? I have never watched gay porn to compare.

You should do your research before commenting on a rugby thread!