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[with 2 great players]

From my reading of this thread some Derry posters seem to think they've been poor to middling for most of the year, yet in the same breath think there's exponential room for improvement & it will all come good v Kerry, seems foolproof. I think their performances this year are indicative of where they're really at, a good systematic team with 2 great players but not in Kerry's league. Their system will eventually fail as Kerry have too many good footballers and will punch holes in it increasingly more as the game goes on. As I said previously fair chance McGuigan and / or Glass accidentally get buried early doors. I expect Kerry to win by 5-7 pts.

Agree with some of that but remember that we are Ulster Champions for the last two years.  Some credit and respect please.  We have reached Division 1 from Division 4.  Some credit and respect please.  We are in the last 4 of the All Ireland Championship for the second year in a row.   Some credit and respect please.  Not bad for a team with 2 great players.  Pure jealousy leaked out there.  If Kerry want to bury a few, which is unlikely, let them try.  Neither Glass nor McGuigan will be easy buried.

That's all fair enough, though would you have achieved all that without out-of-county managers, who seem to be able to harmonise the warring Derry club/locality factions? 

[Jail is full of people with mental health issues,]

Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently  (rumour)  down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?

Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.

A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.

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But sure which is it? Had he issues with this guy as some have said or mental health issues?

I'm sure he had a post on the depression thread a couple of years ago outlining his mental well being or lack of it

He did, said he was suffering with his mental health for 13 years back in 2013.  Don't know the full story of this case however I know of previous incidents whereby mild manner people have suddenly become violent with a mere change of medication or not taking their medication.

@Fear ón Srath Bán  I agree it certainly points to deeper societal problem when so many people with mental issues are in Jail.

Thanks man, and agree, Reagan, & Thatcher, et al., with their deregulated market shite have really fucked this society up! 

Was it a knife ? I saw someone here saying earlier it was an umbrella ?

Believe it was a pen-knife.

I'm not excusing the assailant here in the slightest, in any shape or form, and the performance of the, or any,  ref is irrelevant, it just should not be an item of this discussion. GAA refs, in general, are much more deserving of the usual sporting respect that refs are currently in receipt of elsewhere, and as should apply equally in Gaelic Games.

The individual in question here, whoever he may be, is likely more in need of help than reprobation, however, the carrying of a knife to whichever sporting venue is simply unconscionable, and the die is already cast in that respect.

[Jail is full of people with mental health issues,]

Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently  (rumour)  down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?

Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.

A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.

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But sure which is it? Had he issues with this guy as some have said or mental health issues?

You made the statement above about "jails being full of people with mental health isssues", which points up to a deeper societal problem IMHO. That being said, any individual who brings a knife out, period, whether to a game or whatever, needs to be dealt with, whether that involves a game or whatever.

[Jail is full of people with mental health issues,]

Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently  (rumour)  down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?

Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.

A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.

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I don't understand the Kerry mentality here. How does playing a game 7 days later weaken your chances of playing your best game?

Unfortunately the mentality among some Kerry GAA people is that prominent defeats have to be demeaned in some way or other. Easy enough to pull up plenty examples involving just Tyrone. Spillane's puke football jibe in 2003 which was seized upon, the county chairman the following year with the nauseating comments about Kerry saving football, the narrative pushed by some throughout that decade that it was a system or fitness that saw Tyrone win and that Kerry were the better footballers. And Covid in 2021, surely the strangest one yet given an extra week shouldn't have affected Kerry and Tyrone were still weakened. Kerry bounced back to win All Irelands on these occasions but that wasn't enough for some, they still had to try and talk down and cheapen the defeats suffered previously. Not a good look. But still a better one than using a global pandemic in which millions died for the cheapest of laughs.

There were Kerry folk in this era who stood above this - I remember Ger O'Keefe for example speaking with such class in 2005. Others in the county would do well to follow his example.

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[I think they will win the AI this year with quite a bit to spare and believe they have improved from last year.]

Beat me to it again ArmaghMike. 

Kerry have always had great footballers over the years and haven't gone too many years barron of a top top player like Clifford, Gooch, Fitzy etc but like you said football skills wont win you an All-Ireland on it's own.
For years it was always the Dubs and Kerry were the main players and then somebody would come along and challenge them like Down in the 60s.

Kerry on Saturday looked like a team very focused with a lot of anger and revenge in their heads, hell bent in showing up these arrogant Northern lot for what they really see them as. O'Connor isn't everyone's cup of tea in Kerry I believe but he certainly knows how to get the job done. The lengths he went to last year to bring in the right people and as you said re-adapt to how the modern game is played now, whether you like it or not.

Kerry knew the early stages of this year meant nothing and losing to Mayo wouldn't define their season, in fact it was a bit like Tyrone losing to Kerry in the league in 21 and creating a false sense of where they were at.

I think they will win the AI this year with quite a bit to spare and believe they have improved from last year.
They showed on Sat that they aren't totally dependent on Clifford and can still put up a big score if he's well marshalled.

I believe that Kerry did coast through the League but losing to Mayo was certainly not in their plans and nor is there any real evidence to suggest that they have improved from last year. If Con O'Callaghan had been fit for last years AI semi final I believe that the Dubs would have won that AI title. That game I believe is still the most reliable form guide and the Dubs are very marginal favourites at the minute because of O'Callaghan and the other returning players. I certainly don't think either side will win it easily.

Kerry were far better than the scoreline suggested against Dublin last year.
Kerry missed a penalty and O'brien missed a sitter. Should have been 12 points up instead of 6, then Kerry gift Dublin a goal and start to panic. The confidence that win has given Kerry is of great benefit though.
If Con O'Callaghan was missing for the Dublin-Mayo game in 2021 I bet most people would have said, "If Con wasn't missing Dublin would have won", so I don't buy the narrative that Dublin would have won that game with Con

Slightly delusional stuff there -- if Niall Scully hadn't fluffed his wild effort at  a point in the dying seconds of that Semi (which wouldn't have happened under Gavin, not a  chance) allowing Kerry a kick-out and Seán Ó Shea's  monster free, the SAM was destined elsewhere. But, them's the breaks, just like 2021! 😀

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NO Tyrone "supporters" were involved in this fracas, please note!

They were already heading up the road by then

We're no angels, but misattribution is a fecking curse! 

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NO Tyrone "supporters" were involved in this fracas, please note!

Well done the Muckers, and good luck with it! 

Aye right, deliberate, as in I'm illiterate! 

[Monaghan]

All-Ireland SFC q/f
Monaghan by 3
Kerry by 5
Derry by 2
Mayo by 1

Could you fix the spelling mistake in the title perchance? Quarter!

The Dubs' 2nd half performance was immense I thought -- a clear marker to any of the other pretenders to the AI throne.

The 3 games in 3 weeks, Banjaxed three out of the four teams on the weekend.

Agreed, a chara, very difficult shift!