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[Protestants]

Interesting article in the papers over here about the visit to Croke Park.

They actually did a really good background article on the significance of historical events in Croke park and Lizzie's need to respect it.

They continued on with a great article about GAA in general.

Then talked about how forward looking the GAA is as they have recently lifted the ban on Protestants and British armed forces playing the sports.
Part of the last sentence really miffed me.

What's that now???

MGHU i reckon a name change is in order. I don't think I've ever seen someone so wrapped up in circles on this board!! It'll save you having to answer that question!!

You're a bit slow Eamonn. NS has stated that he doesn't believe that enough has been done by the British to allow everyone to move on. That doesn't mean he's Incapable of moving on. Nor does it make him a dinosar. Your last few posts have been extremely condescending.

"Gerry Adams at the funeral of Vol. Bobby Sands MP, thirty years ago this week"



Or maybe:

"Mayogodhelpus SHOCKINGLY (cough) responds to caption thread on Enda Kenny by starting caption thread on Gerry Adams"

He's actually getting laughable now.

Well how did people get on with their Lenten sacrifaces?

Just out of interest when did people stop lent? We always kept it going til Easter Sunday. I know offically it ends on Holy Thursday. And some people finish at noon on the sat or after vigil mass. 

[What I want to know is what the excuse was for not caring when the celtic septic tiger was running rampant.]

Some of you need to realise that people couldn't give a shit whether we live in a United Ireland or not. People are busy trying to keep a roof over their heads and trying to raise their children, a United Ireland would be well down the list of priorities or ideals, if it featured at all. It doesent make them any more or less of "an Irishman" either. A lot of people don't give a shit about politics.

That is my point. Not many seem to care in the 26 counties, stating that they are more worried about keeping a roof over their heads. What I want to know is what the excuse was for not caring when the celtic septic tiger was running rampant.

Why should they need an excuse?

I don't care for Bananas. Or Jazz. Or Motor Sport.

So if people in ROI are increasingly unconcerned about a United Ireland, so what?

Anyhow, whilst we can argue the toss over the importance of economics in determining peoples' views, I suspect that two another factors may be influencing opinions South of the border:
1. The population being a young one, memories of the Troubles are beginning to fade from their consciousness, never mind the Eater Rising, Black & Tans and the War of Independence etc;
2. Now that RC's/Nationalists in NI are seen to be getting a fair crack of the whip over Civil Rights and Jobs etc, the "need" for Southerners to care is that much less.

"So what?" It might be a case of "so what" for you. Does that mean it has to be for everyone? Yes, we all know you are a unionist, but surely that doesn't exclude you from accepting that for a place where so many fought and died for All Ireland Independence for centuries, and in a place where most remember such people as patriots, that the people of the 26 counties might still be vocally supportive of the idea of All-Ireland Independence/Unity rather than use dishonest excuses to disguise a complete apathy for it, because luckily their county is not one of the six most north easterly ones.

You go on as if the disinclination to bang a drum for a united Ireland is some sort of crime. Who, precisely, is trying to disguise their apathy? I think the widespread apathy is pretty well undisguised. I don't think either that there's any substance in the suggestion that the apathy disguises a widespread antipathy "down here" to the idea of a United Ireland.

I think the overwhelming attitude is that political unity would be a nice idea, but not worth another drop of Irish blood (or any other blood, either), as long as people are living in a free democratic society, particularly now that the political union that makes a real difference to peoples' lives is the European one of which we're all members.

I never once claimed it was a crime. I simply asked what the excuse was during the "good times" to disguise the apathy, since during the "bad times", money is being used as the excuse to disguise this apathy. I think the apathy is being disguised (just very very poorly). Most people from the 26 counties that I have ever talked about this with genuinely don't seem to give a feck about Irish Re-Unification, but most would nowadays use the old "what about the cost" rather than come clean and say they just don't give a flying fcuk.

And I simply answered that the apathy is not disguised at all, so your thesis doesn't stand up. Why do people need an "excuse"? That's where my "crime" reference (exaggerating for effect) comes from. The fact that you insist people need an excuse for their position implies that you think that position is reprehensible. It's not - it's just different to yours.

I believe it is. So the point stands. As has been shown on this board many times. IMO whenever someone from the south says they don't want a UI it's inevitably followed by a Economic reason as outlined by Nally earlier. Why not just say I'd rather there wasn't a United Ireland as things are fine for me the way they are.   

[What I want to know is what the excuse was for not caring when the celtic septic tiger was running rampant.]

Some of you need to realise that people couldn't give a shit whether we live in a United Ireland or not. People are busy trying to keep a roof over their heads and trying to raise their children, a United Ireland would be well down the list of priorities or ideals, if it featured at all. It doesent make them any more or less of "an Irishman" either. A lot of people don't give a shit about politics.

That is my point. Not many seem to care in the 26 counties, stating that they are more worried about keeping a roof over their heads. What I want to know is what the excuse was for not caring when the celtic septic tiger was running rampant.

Why should they need an excuse?

I don't care for Bananas. Or Jazz. Or Motor Sport.

So if people in ROI are increasingly unconcerned about a United Ireland, so what?

Anyhow, whilst we can argue the toss over the importance of economics in determining peoples' views, I suspect that two another factors may be influencing opinions South of the border:
1. The population being a young one, memories of the Troubles are beginning to fade from their consciousness, never mind the Eater Rising, Black & Tans and the War of Independence etc;
2. Now that RC's/Nationalists in NI are seen to be getting a fair crack of the whip over Civil Rights and Jobs etc, the "need" for Southerners to care is that much less.

Nallys point and it's one that I would agree with is that many Southerns would say they would be for a United Ireland but reality might be a different thing. And if that is the case why not just say your not in favour of it.

[when will people care?]

Question 16. Is "cost" just the standardised excuse for apathy towards Irish Unity, in the 26 counties? During the Celtic Septic Tiger years, I didn't hear much mass outpouring of support for Irish Unity south of the border. People just seemed to blissfully forget about the issue... the party was in full swing and everyone was too preoccupied living like kings. It just begs the question - if when times were good, many in the south didn't care about the north, and when times are bad, they say it's just too expensive to unite the nation,.... when will people care?

What if - the answer to that is never? Where does that leave 6 county republicans and nationalists? What would happen next?

Ive always cared.

Well that neither surprises me - nor explains why in both good and financial times - many 26 county irish folk (in Mally Stand's own words), don't seem to care - in good times or in bad (which suggests a general non financially related apathy).

Yet we have other posters convinced it's going to happen. Seems like apathy is rife with the issue.

Then they should have the balls to say never and not hide behing excuses. It would leave nationlists very frustrated I would imagine but no different to the current situation. Nally stand's points a valid one. 

And the winner is Muppet.

+1

-1

BM wins on points. Please god no rematch.

Very good NF. 

[This is great fun!]

Where did i say any? i said i would like to know how it can be justified then i went further to ask you and your sidekick (who has gone very quiet) to explain to me the economic benefits of such a visit, you are therefore misquoting me and are luying yourself.

you notice i have gone quiet on misquoting you? i replied and you ignored the reply, go back and trawl through my posts like your so good at

i replied to jim's point, i don't see how 5 hours here will justify the bill, something you fail to grasp, you say you posted links to two museums, facts are museums (if the archelogical society are doing their work) will come to pass whether the president vistis or not.

Did the Eqyptian section of the museum in London need to invite the pharaoh's over in order to get a museum built? no so again this attempt at an argument you put up a day and a half later doesn't cut it

furthermore what someone else posts is up to them, ''i am not my brother's keeper'' - to even ask me why someone would say something just shows a total lack of intelligence on your part, absolutley astounded that you ask me to shed light on why someone else posted something, you have totally lost the run of yourself

This is great fun!

I ask you a simply question regarding another poster's comment about you and me, even giving you an out as I know how sensitive you are, and you say it shows a 'total lack of intelligence' on my part. You are 'absolutely astounded' with this? Really? Yet you derisively reference my 'sidekick' for doing something, who afaik I've never met. Where does this leave your intellect by your own logic.

As for your Pharaoh point, this really is funny and you are obviously not serious. But it is very entertaining. You would need to consider the Knights' (or whatever they had then) overtime bill if the Pharaoh visited. You would no doubt be against this.

facts are museums (if the archelogical society are doing their work) will come to pass whether the president vistis or not.

Many people seem to confuse 'facts' with opinion. Fact is, neither museum was there before the President in question visited. Fact is, those museums represent an economic benefit to Ireland from our connection to those US presidents. It is my opinion that the same may happen again.

Not for everyone else!

[certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history]

What I do have to laugh at here are certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history. Maybe if your going to push the whole moving on scenario then it should be over everything. Not just the things that you deem necessary to move on from.

I've never jumped all over it referring to Sinn Fein's history in my life.

Ok. Just as well I wasn't referring to you.

[Did they lie and lie and lie and then apologise when there was no other option?]

Amazing reactions to a gesture of reconciliation, given the week that's in it.

A true gesture of reconciliation would be for her to apologise for her army murdering Aidan Mc Anespie and the many other GAA members the British Army murdered over the years . I wonder will




Cooney&Co even explain to her why the Hogan Stand is called the Hogan Stand?

When are the lads in Sinn Féin going to apologise?

For the death of Michael Hogan? Never.

Did the IRA apologise to all it's victims' families? Yes.

Has Britain done so? No.

Did they lie and lie and lie and then apologise when there was no other option? The disappeared being an obvious example.

Yes

Not too sure how I'd feel to see her in Croke park tbh. I prob wouldn't be over the moon so I'll do my best to ignore it.

What I do have to laugh at here are certain posters harping on about moving on etc and yet when there's a discussion about SF they're the first to jump all over it referring to SF's history. Maybe if your going to push the whole moving on scenario then it should be over everything. Not just the things that you deem necessary to move on from.

[It's strange that when a foreign country (America) goes into "help" a nation they will get lambasted over it and when they don't go in they again get lambasted by the same posters]

Tragic.  The reports of mass graves being uncovered is harrowing.  There must be little oil around those parts or else the usual suspects would be offering their 'assistance'

Exactly. No point in them stopping any massacres if there is nothing valuable for them. Dirty b**tards

You can put in as many rolly eyes as you like, but there is little doubt the big powers only take an interest when it's a country with natural resources. They look after themselves,anything after that is by the way

It's strange that when a foreign country (America) goes into "help" a nation they will get lambasted over it and when they don't go in they again get lambasted by the same posters. For me these countries will be having the wars for years and need no help from anyone. they will sort themselves out, slowly I'm sure.

Foreign meddling never works out, only causes more hatred, more suicide bombers another 9/11

So true. So people just want to make sure and give a dig regardless of what the US do. And then they'd be the first to give of if someone tried to defend the US over something.