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Nine times New York Marathon winner and 1983 World Champion Grete Waitz dies from cancer aged 57.

From what you appear to be looking for, Juice, I'd say you couldn't get better than this place:
http://www.cushendunweb.co.uk/index.html

Though there might not be much (any?) property to buy in the immediate area.

Cushendun is indeed a lovely part of the country, however you will need to take lessons in Ulster-Scots (or bollocks as some term it) as boys o' dear, the fowk arun thair spake a wee bit fanny.  Also to fit in it would help if your surname was McAllister.

[The advantage of having the debate now is]

The advantage of having the debate now is that it flushes their arguments out into the open where they can be tackled one by one.

The advantage of having the debate* now is that it (a ) allows SF to emphasise its Green credentials over the SDLP in the forthcoming battle for the Nationalist vote; (b ) it allow SF to stretch ever further its (frankly risible) fiction that the GFA is some sort of "half-way house" towards a UI; and (c ) offers the hope of raising the political temperature generally, which in NI always works to the advantage of the extremist parties. (The Unionist equivalent is the DUP raising the spectre of a SF 1st Minister, when it would make no difference in practice to the administration of NI).

* - Not that Tub-Thumping constitutes "debate"...

For example, no one could seriously expect that we would simply be amalgamated into the South as unionists might try to say.

(Straw Man)

Once that is accepted we can move onto discussing the nuts and bolts of the new arrangements and the shape of the whole country not just NI or the bastardised Free Sate version of the "Republic" we have now.

"Once that is accepted..."

"I wish, I wish, I wish  I was in Kansas..."

If it was held now, I'd guess high 30s/low 40s. However I'd also expect that to rise when the shape of new arrangements become clear and fears are eased, then everything comes into play for the one after.

The usual Shinner trick of setting a low target, then claiming "victory" when it is marginally exceeded.
Anyhow, if ever there were any prospect of the Shinners getting their "wish" (and there isn't), they wouldn't have the courage to go ahead with it:

"Put 'em up, I said, put 'em up..."

Bit of pot kettle black I know EG...but you've way too much time on your hands mate!

God love her and her family

"History repeats itself, first as Tragedy, second as Farce" - Karl Marx

I'm glad you seem to be trying to improve yourself by studying Marx, but I feel I should let you know that Marx neither said or wrote the quote you have attributed to him. Nor did he believe that "history repeats itself".

Full quote??

"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great, world-historical facts and personages occur, as it were, twice. He has forgotten to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."

Was going to say come to Antrim, juice but since we bet you a couple of weeks ago, don't want you diluting the stock!  Did you ever play any hurling??

An hour's drive from Belfast International (it'll always be Aldergrove to me) could take you right and far in the wee six

[I must say though I find it incredibly galling and insulting that anyone anywhere has to dance to the tune of Anglo Irish Bank after what they have done. It disgusts me no end.]

He had the Quinn proposal that had been drawn up using the administers numbers and projections, that had also been stress tested by PWC that showed that he would have had the majority of the debt paid back within 7 years and that anglo would then still own the business and could sell it at a profit. (SQ was no doubt hoping that he'd be in a position to buy it back at this stage).

Instead they have tried to move on his assets which as they have already said isn't going to cover the majority of the debt.

And the value of some of these assets are going to drop like stones without SQ ie the cement factory.

I wouldn't have the same feelings towards Quinn as those from the area but he obviously invokes strong loyalties. I must say though I find it incredibly galling and insulting that anyone anywhere has to dance to the tune of Anglo Irish Bank after what they have done. It disgusts me no end.

Absolutely.

Living in Fermanagh, 50% of me thinks "Well if it wasn't for SQ there would be no businesses to take over" and 50% of me thinks "Well he took an almighty punt on people's jobs and lost heavily" but 100% of me thinks that Anglo has some brass neck.

It must be the unseasonably warm April weather

Gordon Brown bidding to head up the IMF

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=530475&in_page_id=2

[And how come it's illegal to carry a knife, but not a guillotine]

The countdown is on. Four weeks to build a movement.

Constipation can be a hoor OK.

Where do you buy a guoillotine, by the way? And how come it's illegal to carry a knife, but not a guillotine?

When the legislation was being framed it was considered that a guillotine would be too heavy for one person to carry

[Where do you buy a guoillotine]

The countdown is on. Four weeks to build a movement.

Constipation can be a hoor OK.

Where do you buy a guoillotine, by the way? And how come it's illegal to carry a knife, but not a guillotine?

Local magicians shop??

Big blow for Tyrone alright...hope he makes a full recovery ASAP.

[That was the strategy between 1921 and 1968...you'd be surprised how people reacted]

Well you see when you dont try and ram a United Ireland down their throats and come across non-threatening, yet produdly nationalist and republican you can be surprised how people react. Doing my best to undo the damage done by the PIRA

That was the strategy between 1921 and 1968...you'd be surprised how people reacted.

You really need to study History before coming up with bilge like that.

For the settlement of 1921 was originally only designed to be temporary, prior to an (assumed) United Ireland at some future stage.

Plus the War of Independence spilled over into NI in the following years.

The IRA were active both in NI and GB during WWII, in their alliance with the Nazis.

And there was a further Border Campaign between 1956 and 1962.

And all the while this was going on, the Free State/Eire/Republic was claiming jurisdiction over NI, whilst their friends in eg Irish-America and the British Labour Party etc were agitating for a United Ireland.

None of which may excuse discrimination etc against Nationalists in NI, but it does go some way towards explaining it.

Anyhow, MayoGodHelpUs has hit upon a very pertinent point, which is that if people (all sides) do not feel coerced, they will generally be open to reason.

Which is actually at the very root of the conundrum facing Irish Republicanism i.e. the more they attempt to pressurise Unionists towards a UI, whether by political or (esp) paramilitary means, the more Unionists are liable to resist.

Indeed, if a United Ireland is the logical and natural outcome for the island, leading towards peace and prosperity for all, then the best thing Republicans could do would be just to keepm quiet and let Unionists figure it out for themselves.

Of course, the flaw in that particular argument will be if a United Ireland isn't, in fact, the best outcome for all - for Unionists, at least.

On which point, I would be interested to hear from the Republicans on this Board just exactly what it is they think there is about a UI which should appeal to Unionists?

For as a Unionist who is not totally averse to the idea in principle, neither can I see anything especially positive in it for me.

Before you went off on one, I think you missed this bit in my post EG... .  Though judging by your post I'd say you'd know bilge when you saw it alright

[the fact that the CEO of Liberty is from Derrynoose count for anything]

I don't think there will be  immediate job losses within the group to be fair. It seems to be on a level footing and most are geographically tied to the area with the factories, quarries etc.
But I'd be very surprised if there's not more redundacies from the insurance side within the next 6months. In addition to the numbers quoted in the papers there's roughly 1000 self employed Claims Managers that only work for Quinn. We've been more or less told that the likelyhood of Liberty keeping us on is small. Course there'll be little mention of these job losses in any of the papers.

Deal seems to involve no sale of Quinn Group assets for 5 years so jobs should be safe from that end.

Initially anyway Liberty/Anglo deal is proposing no job losses but once the takeover is complete I suppose they can do what they want after 6 or 12 months.
Maybe I am being naive but would the fact that the CEO of Liberty is from Derrynoose count for anything in terms of keeping jobs in the border areas?

I've heard that mentioned a few times here over he past couple of days.  Maybe but IMHO you don't get to be CEO of a company like this by letting sentiment rule your business decisions.

[Well you see when you dont try and ram a United Ireland down their throats and come across non-threatening, yet produdly nationalist and republican you can be surprised how people react]

Well you see when you dont try and ram a United Ireland down their throats and come across non-threatening, yet produdly nationalist and republican you can be surprised how people react. Doing my best to undo the damage done by the PIRA

That was the strategy between 1921 and 1968...you'd be surprised how people reacted.

[Ive always cared.]

Question 16. Is "cost" just the standardised excuse for apathy towards Irish Unity, in the 26 counties? During the Celtic Septic Tiger years, I didn't hear much mass outpouring of support for Irish Unity south of the border. People just seemed to blissfully forget about the issue... the party was in full swing and everyone was too preoccupied living like kings. It just begs the question - if when times were good, many in the south didn't care about the north, and when times are bad, they say it's just too expensive to unite the nation,.... when will people care?

What if - the answer to that is never? Where does that leave 6 county republicans and nationalists? What would happen next?

Ive always cared.

Good for you.

Mind, it's a shame you don't count:
The two Governments:
(i) recognise the legitimacy of whatever choice is freely exercised by a majority of the people of Northern Ireland with regard to its status, whether they prefer to continue to support the Union with Great Britain or a sovereign united Ireland;
http://www.nio.gov.uk/agreement.pdf

I thought in a democracy everyone's vote counted or is it only if you vote for the winner?