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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: April 28, 2017, 09:58:41 AM »
It's all Saffron Visions fault lol.

I saw and heard all the angles in this story and knew there would be no winners in this, just losers. Once again the Irish News jumped for the big hit on Antrim with a splash across the back pages. Yet another cheap shot.

Frankie Quinn couldn't have done much more than he did but there was a serious overreaction by making the players statement public and I'd say the relationship between the board and the football management team is in tatters going forward. Bar a miracle in a month my guess is that we are probably looking for a new set up.

Where do you think they got the story from bs??  If the players think that the letter is not going to make it into the public domain these days then they're living in cloud cuckoo land.

+1 on your post on Kevin Niblock BTW.  On his day among the best in Ulster.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: April 28, 2017, 09:13:51 AM »

   https://www.ft.com/content/f4c720b0-2b63-11e7-bc4b-5528796fe35c

   European leaders are preparing to recognise the potential for a “united Ireland” within the EU, confirming that Northern Ireland would seamlessly rejoin the bloc after Brexit in the event of a vote for Irish reunification.

In a step that may stoke concerns in Britain that Brexit could hasten the fragmentation of the UK, diplomats are planning to ask leaders of the EU’s 27 post-Brexit member countries to endorse the idea in a summit on Saturday.

This from the Guardian...no paywall

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/27/eu-to-debate-recognising-united-ireland-to-allow-swift-return-for-north

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:43:40 PM »
Reading Frankie Quinn's comments in the ATN puts a new slant on the whole player identification row. Suppose there is always two sides to a story - at least.

What did he say?

However, Antrim secretary Frankie Quinn has defended the actions of the county board, saying that both chairman Collie Donnelly and himself were at a meeting with the Ulster Council on the night of Fitzpatrick’s appeal.

Quinn also insisted that Fitzpatrick and the Antrim management were advised to accept the original one-match ban which would have ruled the St John’s clubman out of the Longford game instead of the Championship clash against Donegal.

“The player could have opted to take the ban for the Longford match and he was told that. The team management decided he would play the Longford match – they made that decision,” said Quinn. “Stephen Beatty looked at an appeal and decided he wouldn’t go for it.

“There was a shemozzle in the stand at the end of the Lámh Dhearg versus Sean MacCumhaill’s game last year and it was Lámh Dhearg who identified their own fans and got them banned. That’s the way the process works.

“We had no other course of action to take when we are asked to identify a player. “You cannot go back to the dark days of hear no evil, see no evil. Everything is filmed these days. They give you the chance to identify the player. If not, they’ll identify them anyway and you’ll be 10 times worse. We would then be in line for whatever sanction they deem fit.”

Quinn added that the paperwork for a second appeal has been launched and says he expects a member of the Antrim board to accompany Fitzpatrick for his second appeal. Antrim’s chances of upsetting the odds against last year’s beaten Ulster finalists will be further undermined if Fitzpatrick is unavailable

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 26, 2017, 01:30:47 PM »
Looks like the UUP have been sold a pup by the DUP on a pact.  The DUP fancy their chances in South Belfast with or without the UUP and are also confident they can beat Kinahan in South Antrim.  Lesson for the SDLP??  SF are going to hold their 4 seats with a possibility of winning back F&ST.  What is the benefit to SF of a pact??

Whoever the UUP/Alliance pact choose.  Ford/Nesbitt
If SF cared about advocating their position they'd take their seats and challenge May directly.  I'm predicting that the DUP will lose 3 seats in a protest by the people of Northern Ireland.  Only Donaldson, Paisley, Wilson, Campbell and Jim Shannon will hold their seats.  Alliance and UUP will gain these.  SDLP/Sinn Fein pact will gain none.  Arlene Foster will accept blame and resign.

You're predicting that Alliance will win North Belfast?!?! :o

I'm predicting that Alliance will win at least one seat in Belfast and that Mike Nesbitt will also be elected. Any clearer?

You seem to predict that Dodds will not be elected, as he doesn't appear in your list of certain DUP MPs.  You also say that the (now doomed) SF/SDLP pact wouldn't gain any seats, so I'm simply asking who beats Dodds in Nth Belfast?

The UUP have already said they won't be standing in Nth Belfast and frankly David Ford wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance.

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 26, 2017, 01:28:14 PM »
Pro Remain pact between SDLP and SF looks dead in the water.
Ah ffs.  I'm voting in North Belfast, would have loved to see old Nigel get the boot.

Looks like SDLP wanted an "Independent Nationalist" type agreed candidate here but SF were against that.

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 26, 2017, 12:57:09 PM »
Pro Remain pact between SDLP and SF looks dead in the water.

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 26, 2017, 12:56:17 PM »
Looks like the UUP have been sold a pup by the DUP on a pact.  The DUP fancy their chances in South Belfast with or without the UUP and are also confident they can beat Kinahan in South Antrim.  Lesson for the SDLP??  SF are going to hold their 4 seats with a possibility of winning back F&ST.  What is the benefit to SF of a pact??

If SF cared about advocating their position they'd take their seats and challenge May directly.  I'm predicting that the DUP will lose 3 seats in a protest by the people of Northern Ireland.  Only Donaldson, Paisley, Wilson, Campbell and Jim Shannon will hold their seats.  Alliance and UUP will gain these.  SDLP/Sinn Fein pact will gain none.  Arlene Foster will accept blame and resign.

You're predicting that Alliance will win North Belfast?!?! :o

I'm predicting that Alliance will win at least one seat in Belfast and that Mike Nesbitt will also be elected. Any clearer?

You seem to predict that Dodds will not be elected, as he doesn't appear in your list of certain DUP MPs.  You also say that the (now doomed) SF/SDLP pact wouldn't gain any seats, so I'm simply asking who beats Dodds in Nth Belfast?

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 26, 2017, 12:09:41 PM »
Looks like the UUP have been sold a pup by the DUP on a pact.  The DUP fancy their chances in South Belfast with or without the UUP and are also confident they can beat Kinahan in South Antrim.  Lesson for the SDLP??  SF are going to hold their 4 seats with a possibility of winning back F&ST.  What is the benefit to SF of a pact??

If SF cared about advocating their position they'd take their seats and challenge May directly.  I'm predicting that the DUP will lose 3 seats in a protest by the people of Northern Ireland.  Only Donaldson, Paisley, Wilson, Campbell and Jim Shannon will hold their seats.  Alliance and UUP will gain these.  SDLP/Sinn Fein pact will gain none.  Arlene Foster will accept blame and resign.

You're predicting that Alliance will win North Belfast?!?! :o

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: April 25, 2017, 03:31:34 PM »
Yeah look if an offence was committed by the player then there are procedures in place to deal with this.  If he is guilty he is guilty and if the process is followed correctly then the outcome should be clear - well as clear as anything in these cases BUT the CB should have had some representation with him, similar cases should have been taken into account and any precedent thrown into the mix to support his case for either no sentence or minimal sentence if applicable - CB representation should have made this case stronger.

If the players have other grievances then, as pointed out previously here, then they should be raised either with this or separately but not under the guise of this one individual issue.  It is like giving your neighbour a slap on the nose for not holding a door for you and telling the world that this is why you did it when the real reason is he burned your hedge, ate your geraniums and threw a hot sausage from his BBQ into your fish pond.

You must know that bastardin' neighbour of mine!

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: April 25, 2017, 02:25:39 PM »
https://mmj.tees.ac.uk/~project41/2017/04/25/hung-out-to-dry/

seems strange on two fronts, until we get the full story (and not from a brother of a guy who may or may not be on the squad) I wouldnt pass judgement on it.... If the player did something and was caught then deal with it, if its no conclusive and it could be a number of players due to poor image then Croke park needs to be definitive on the rules for this also...

but no lets get the media on it and make Antrim a news story for all the wrong reasons

That report provides a bit more detail.  I'm not sure of the rules that the CB is bound by but the first question is:

Why the CB identified the player in writing having already identified him verbally?  Were they required to as part of the process? 

Second, if the player was identified by the CB, suspended, then that suspension lifted on appeal, on what grounds was the suspension re-imposed when the CB identified the same player in writing.  Surely the grounds for appealing the suspension are still the same whether the player is identified verbally, in writing, sign language or semaphore signals?  Furthermore had CP been able to identify the player without recourse to the CB, would his suspension have stood or would his appeal have been allowed??  As they say curiouser and curiouser!

For the record if the CB let the player down by not accompanying him to his appeal then they should explain why they didn't.  The rest seems like a right mess!

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 25, 2017, 02:12:09 PM »
South Belfast election results 2017

SDLP   8,353   15,963
SF   7,610   
AP   7,648   
DUP   8,975   
TUV   703   
UUP   3,863   13,541
GP   4,247   
PBP   760   
WP   163   
CON   200   
LAB   531   

There are at least 13,541 votes in a unionist pact with some more possible from Alliance but a SDLP SF pact could bring in 15,963 votes.  Again Alliance votes are unpredictable as are the GP votes. Care needs to be taken not to turn this area over to a unionist pro Brexit MP but McDonnell is a vote loser as the sitting MP and his own local party despises him.

I suppose it's hard to ditch an incumbent who doesn't want to step down but I think McDonnell is toast here, mainly because he's useless.  It'll be interesting to see who the DUP run but with the SF and Greens on the up in this constituency they probably think that Bailey and O Muilleoir (if he runs) will continue to eat into Big Al's vote and that the DUP can sneak through the gap.  They'll throw the kitchen sink at this one.

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 25, 2017, 01:57:04 PM »
Steven Agnew announces that the Greens won't be joining any "Anti-Brexit Alliance" - Main reasons, 1) The SDLP selecting Big Al in Sth Belfast 2) SF not taking seats 3) UUP gone over to the Dark Side and 4) Alliance refused to meet them to discuss the matter.

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: April 25, 2017, 01:18:42 PM »
I was speaking to a lad very close to the panel last night, he says its the straw that broke the camels back for them over quite a lot of issues that the panel have had and that is why they took they course of action that they did.  He didn't divulge a huge amount of detail as to what issues they were and I didn't ask.

"A lad very close to the panel" does that mean one of the current squad??  It's very hard to judge the rights and wrongs of "issues" or even resolve them when one of the players who has these "issues" won't say what they are.
His brother is on the squad.

Right.  Maybe you could ask him to ask his brother what are the issues the squad has?

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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:37:18 PM »
I was speaking to a lad very close to the panel last night, he says its the straw that broke the camels back for them over quite a lot of issues that the panel have had and that is why they took they course of action that they did.  He didn't divulge a huge amount of detail as to what issues they were and I didn't ask.

"A lad very close to the panel" does that mean one of the current squad??  It's very hard to judge the rights and wrongs of "issues" or even resolve them when one of the players who has these "issues" won't say what they are.

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General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 25, 2017, 09:50:23 AM »
Looks like the UUP have been sold a pup by the DUP on a pact.  The DUP fancy their chances in South Belfast with or without the UUP and are also confident they can beat Kinahan in South Antrim.  Lesson for the SDLP??  SF are going to hold their 4 seats with a possibility of winning back F&ST.  What is the benefit to SF of a pact??

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